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BluntmanDC wrote:kind of ruins the whole story of the Nikaea gathering.

The stuff in Prospero Burns about it is pretty good.

The Khorne daemons of course are filled with subtle word play.

Bloodthirsters for example thirst for blood and ironically they are named Bloodthirsters.

Bloodletters let blood (and old term for shed) and ironically they are named Bloodletters.

Bloodcrushers however don't crush blood since blood is a liquid and can't be crushed.

Fleshhounds are hounds who both made of flesh and eat flesh, hence Fleshhounds.

Bezerkers often go berserk so they are called Berzerkers.

Angron is very very Angry, hence his name is Angron.

This is why Khorne is always regarded as the most subtle and clever of the dark gods.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Bloodcrushers however don't crush blood since blood is a liquid and can't be crushed.

But once their enemies are frozen with terror...

Abaddon is 'a bad one'
Ahriman is 'a hairy man'
Ursarkar Creed is 'You sucker' Apollo Creed

I wonder why none talked about him yet:

(Directly quoted and translated from my Mythology mini-dictionary)

Ahriman: (Iranian mythology) AKA Angra Mainyu; one of the twin spirits given birth to by Ahura-Mazda, in the beginnings of the Mazdeen religion.
He became the spirit of Evil opposed to Ahura-Mazda, the spirit of Good, thus starts the Manichean heresy. He is know for having created flies (Nurgle?), thorns and darkness.
His name means "the fearful though".

As for Baal he originally comes from the Mesopotamian religion, his name generally means Master and a few deities carry this name. He (they? not so sure about which one it is) is the god of Vegetation and Storms.
But this must be really far from GW source of inspiration.

Another detail about Horus is that he is the son of Osiris, the king of Egypt like ours, son of the Emperor. Except in this mytholgy, Osiris is killed by his brother Seth and then avenged by Horus who becomes in turn king.

Hope that helps!

M'Kachen's Nemesis wrote:I wonder why none talked about him yet:

(Directly quoted and translated from my Mythology mini-dictionary)

Ahriman: (Iranian mythology) AKA Angra Mainyu; one of the twin spirits given birth to by Ahura-Mazda, in the beginnings of the Mazdeen religion.
He became the spirit of Evil opposed to Ahura-Mazda, the spirit of Good, thus starts the Manichean heresy. He is know for having created flies (Nurgle?), thorns and darkness.
His name means "the fearful though".

As for Baal he originally comes from the Mesopotamian religion, his name generally means Master and a few deities carry this name. He (they? not so sure about which one it is) is the god of Vegetation and Storms.
But this must be really far from GW source of inspiration.

Another detail about Horus is that he is the son of Osiris, the king of Egypt like ours, son of the Emperor. Except in this mytholgy, Osiris is killed by his brother Seth and then avenged by Horus who becomes in turn king.

Hope that helps!

According to rumor, Horus is:

I'd say rumour is a bit of a strong for that, but yeah, that is one theory that flies around...

No one has mentioned Breakback Hill? I don't know much here, other than a bunch of sweaty, muscular men fighting other men.


Break back hill
Broke back mountain

Rochronos wrote:Abaddon is 'a bad one'
Ahriman is 'a hairy man'
Ursarkar Creed is 'You sucker' Apollo Creed

I hope nobody actually thinks these are the references for those names.

Canada just become one of my favorite countries. Congrats Canada, you went from second to last to in the top 5!

Konrad Curze Article, Lexicanum:

"The character's last name is probably inspired by the novella 'Heart of Darkness' by Joseph Conrad, where a former ivory trader in the Congo named 'Kurtz' rules over the native population as a charismatic demigod. The book was later adapted into the Vietnam War movie 'Apocalypse Now', where Kurtz's assassinator is played by Martin Sheen who M'Shen is likely a reference to. The first name 'Konrad' is probably inspired by the author's last name."

M'Kachen's Nemesis wrote:I wonder why none talked about him yet:

(Directly quoted and translated from my Mythology mini-dictionary)

Ahriman: (Iranian mythology) AKA Angra Mainyu; one of the twin spirits given birth to by Ahura-Mazda, in the beginnings of the Mazdeen religion.
He became the spirit of Evil opposed to Ahura-Mazda, the spirit of Good, thus starts the Manichean heresy. He is know for having created flies (Nurgle?), thorns and darkness.
His name means "the fearful though".

Well i wrote about his origin, earlier on when someone mistaken said that it ment 'the devil'

Klawz wrote:

Spoiler:

entombed on the golden throne.

According to official GW canon: big NO. It can be found in the Horus Heresy Collected Visions book.

No one has mentioned Erik Morkai or his Brother Ernie the Wise obvious references to Morecambe and Wise

Never noticed that; that's pretty witty.

I have noticed how these are - despite the title - mostly quite intelligent puns/play on words...

Rochronos wrote:Abaddon is 'a bad one'

Also "the angel of the abyss." See biblical stuff like most of the SM names. Ezekiel is ALSO a biblical name.

Methinks he spent too long gazing into the abyss, and then had the abyss look as deeply into him.

Lasgun=Dune reference
Navigators=Dune reference

BluntmanDC wrote:

M'Kachen's Nemesis wrote:I wonder why none talked about him yet:

(Directly quoted and translated from my Mythology mini-dictionary)

Ahriman: (Iranian mythology) AKA Angra Mainyu; one of the twin spirits given birth to by Ahura-Mazda, in the beginnings of the Mazdeen religion.
He became the spirit of Evil opposed to Ahura-Mazda, the spirit of Good, thus starts the Manichean heresy. He is know for having created flies (Nurgle?), thorns and darkness.
His name means "the fearful though".

Well i wrote about his origin, earlier on when someone mistaken said that it ment 'the devil'

And by "mistaken", you presumably "pretty much on the ball", because guess what "Satan" means... "The Enemy". The same with Typhon, again a name for an enemy of the Godhead. Ditto for Abbadon, and Kharn. As for Lucius, the Shining One was Lucifer, the Lightbringer, later the Enemy. Mind you, being named Evil McEvilson isn't unusual where Canis Wolfborn is the name of a Wolf Lord of the Space Wolves who rides a Wolf, wields Wolf Claws, etc, ad nauseum.

GalacticDefender wrote:Lasgun=Dune reference
Navigators=Dune reference

Dont forget "God Emperor"

I thought Lasgun is a Judge Dredd reference..

And JD got it from Dune, too.

Just like 40k takes its arbites from JD, its hive worlds and cities from a combination of JD and Asimov's Foundation.

Duke Sliscus: May possibly have something to so with scandinavian words, such as the swedish word "Sliskig", which means (when speaking of a person) oily or smarmy.

Baron Sathonyx: The river Styx or the mineral Onyx.

Craftworld Biel Tan (Beltaine Celtic feast, predecessor of Eastern)
Craftworld Saim Han (Samhain Celtic feast, predecessor of Halloween)

Can I just point out (more for my sainity) that Samhain(november) is NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER pronounced 'Sam Hane' (like I find a bajillion neopagans pronouncing it)
It's sow (like now, or the female pig)-een/-in

And Beltaine (May) is more like bee-alt-an-eh

Saim Han is 'Sam Han' although they're tryign for Samhain its the 'mh' sound that makes it what it is!

Nurglitch wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:

M'Kachen's Nemesis wrote:I wonder why none talked about him yet:

(Directly quoted and translated from my Mythology mini-dictionary)

Ahriman: (Iranian mythology) AKA Angra Mainyu; one of the twin spirits given birth to by Ahura-Mazda, in the beginnings of the Mazdeen religion.
He became the spirit of Evil opposed to Ahura-Mazda, the spirit of Good, thus starts the Manichean heresy. He is know for having created flies (Nurgle?), thorns and darkness.
His name means "the fearful though".

Well i wrote about his origin, earlier on when someone mistaken said that it ment 'the devil'

And by "mistaken", you presumably "pretty much on the ball", because guess what "Satan" means... "The Enemy". The same with Typhon, again a name for an enemy of the Godhead. Ditto for Abbadon, and Kharn. As for Lucius, the Shining One was Lucifer, the Lightbringer, later the Enemy. Mind you, being named Evil McEvilson isn't unusual where Canis Wolfborn is the name of a Wolf Lord of the Space Wolves who rides a Wolf, wields Wolf Claws, etc, ad nauseum.

because you are very mistaken i will repost:
Satan is a christian creation and so is the concept of the devil (with most 'biblical' references to hell and the devil actually being written in some cases 100's of years after the birth of christ), ahriman is from roughlt 5th centry b.c. massive gap, no actual link
typhon is a greek mythological monster but the actul reference in typhus's name is the disease of the same name
lucius the eternal is probably a reference to the character in Titus Andronicus as he is the only one to survive, not a reference to the devil
kharn no idea can you actually show me a source that it is a synonym for the devil

abbadon is the only one with actual christian devil/satan links

Rochronos wrote:Abaddon is 'a bad one'
Ahriman is 'a hairy man'
Ursarkar Creed is 'You sucker' Apollo Creed

Just what I was going to say. Abaddons a Bad un'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abaddon

Abaddon (Hebrew: אֲבַדּוֹן‎, 'Ǎḇaddōn, Greek: Apollyon, Latin: Exterminans, Coptic: Abbaton, meaning "A place of destruction", "The Destroyer", "Depths of Hell") in the Revelation of St. John, is the king of tormenting locusts and the angel of the bottomless pit.[1] The exact nature of Abaddon is debated, but the Hebrew word is related to the triliteral root אבד (ABD), which in verb form means "to perish.

Saintspirit wrote:Duke Sliscus: May possibly have something to so with scandinavian words, such as the swedish word "Sliskig", which means (when speaking of a person) oily or smarmy.

Baron Sathonyx: The river Styx or the mineral Onyx.

Sliscus: Probably not anything so obscure. Remember; 40k writers are ENGLISH. Digging up obscure colloquialisms in other languages doesn't usually come easily to them (More Scans have uni degrees and speak multiple languages. Most English people barely speak their own language).
Probably a combination of two words relating to thick, sticky liquids - SLIme and viSCOUS. As in a thick, sticky but oily.

This entire thread would make a really good article~

Gitzbitah wrote:
It is a secondary source, but still quite reputable- "The Edda mentions another class of beings, inferior to the gods, but still possessed of great power; these were called Elves. The White Spirits, or Elves of Light, were exceedingly fair, more brilliant than the sun... ... the Black or Night Elves were a different kind of creatures. Ugly, long nosed dwarfs, of a dirty brown color, they appeared only at night, for they avoided the sun as their most deadly enemy, because whenever his beams fell upon any of them they changed them immediately into stone(Bulfinch's Mythology, The Elves, p348)".

Essentially, the Black Elves here contained the essence of our modern day Orks, Dark Elves and Tolkein's trolls, and Dwarves. They hate the sun, like Orks. They live underground, like Dark Elves or Drow. They are very skilled with runes and mechanical devices, and are very short like Dwarves. Sunlight turns them into stone, like trolls. They were born of maggots from Ymir's body, which made them viewed as disgusting, and resentful of most other races. They are notoriously greedy. In short, they are not only in the same story- they're in the same proto-race.

Interesting, but it doesn't satisfy the request I made. I stand by my earlier assertion that Tolkien was the first to include elves, dwarves and orks as separate races in the same universe where they can all interact with each other.


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BluntmanDC wrote:
kharn no idea can you actually show me a source that it is a synonym for the devil

He could be from Khan in the Star Trek movie 'Wrath of Khan' (1982)


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Kid_Kyoto wrote:The Khorne daemons of course are filled with subtle word play.

Bloodthirsters for example thirst for blood and ironically they are named Bloodthirsters.

Bloodletters let blood (and old term for shed) and ironically they are named Bloodletters.

Bloodcrushers however don't crush blood since blood is a liquid and can't be crushed.

Fleshhounds are hounds who both made of flesh and eat flesh, hence Fleshhounds.

Bezerkers often go berserk so they are called Berzerkers.

Angron is very very Angry, hence his name is Angron.

This is why Khorne is always regarded as the most subtle and clever of the dark gods.

But never corny.

BoyMac wrote:Lion El Johnson is the Primarch of the Dark Angels. Lionel Johnson was a homosexual poet that wrote a poem about his homosexuality called the Dark Angel.

Wow, that is pretty cool... so I guess the fallen are the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" members of the Dark Angels? (lol)

The poem is actuall good, and deserves to be read....

The Dark Angel

DARK Angel, with thine aching lust
To rid the world of penitence:
Malicious Angel, who still dost
My soul such subtile violence!

Because of thee, no thought, no thing,
Abides for me undesecrate:
Dark Angel, ever on the wing,
Who never reachest me too late!

When music sounds, then changest thou
Its silvery to a sultry fire:
Nor will thine envious heart allow
Delight untortured by desire.

Through thee, the gracious Muses turn,
To Furies, O mine Enemy!
And all the things of beauty burn
With flames of evil ecstasy.

Because of thee, the land of dreams
Becomes a gathering place of fears:
Until tormented slumber seems
One vehemence of useless tears.

When sunlight glows upon the flowers,
Or ripples down the dancing sea:
Thou, with thy troop of passionate powers,
Beleaguerest, bewilderest, me.

Within the breath of autumn woods,
Within the winter silences:
Thy venomous spirit stirs and broods,
O Master of impieties!

The ardour of red flame is thine,
And thine the steely soul of ice:
Thou poisonest the fair design
Of nature, with unfair device.

Apples of ashes, golden bright;
Waters of bitterness, how sweet!
O banquet of a foul delight,
Prepared by thee, dark Paraclete!

Thou art the whisper in the gloom,
The hinting tone, the haunting laugh:
Thou art the adorner of my tomb,
The minstrel of mine epitaph.

I fight thee, in the Holy Name!
Yet, what thou dost, is what God saith:
Tempter! should I escape thy flame,
Thou wilt have helped my soul from Death:

The second Death, that never dies,
That cannot die, when time is dead:
Live Death, wherein the lost soul cries,
Eternally uncomforted.

Dark Angel, with thine aching lust!
Of two defeats, of two despairs:
Less dread, a change to drifting dust,
Than thine eternity of cares.

Do what thou wilt, thou shalt not so,
Dark Angel! triumph over me:
Lonely, unto the Lone I go;
Divine, to the Divinity.

Lionel Johnson