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**MeanGreenStompa**

H.B.M.C. wrote:LOL! Ok, that made me laugh.

It's ok though - we've had Dr_Mystery... sorry, Mr_Mystery to keep us well stocked on Pro-GW spin.

What you did there, I saw it... Still, with Mr Mystery about the town, it's like MDG never left... isn't it...

Fafnir wrote:
We've had the internet for public use for almost 20 years now. Maybe it's time GW actually used it for something constructive...

The company's reluctance to have much of anything to do with the internet seems very very odd. It's as though perhaps they believe the computer may lure gamers over to computer games instead of the tabletop.

And I heard that the highups regard internet forums as the devil incarnate and instead of seeking to engage them and improve their PR with their customer base, simply wish to close it all down and hope the internet will be another 2 year fad (that's already over 20 years old and worth trillions in business and communication).

**Kanluwen**

H.B.M.C. wrote:Can I just say that it's nice to see this thread is free from the usual anti-GW Internet Hyperbole and, for once, seems to be a logical discussion of actual business flaws.

Well done Dakka. I can actually say "Stay classy" without meaning it ironically.

And this is why I stayed away, frankly. There was nothing for me to point out as being overemotional garbage or people equating GW to child abusers, etc as is common in these kinds of threads.

So yes. "Stay classy", indeed Dakka.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:His absence is notable isn't it, perhaps it was the apology I demanded on page 1 for his pages of insistence there would be no 'rounding off' of the VAT increases.

Bwuh? Where did I say there would be no 'rounding off' of the VAT increases or anything of the kind?
You must be referring to Mr Mystery. I didn't even post in the VAT thread.

**warboss**

porkuslime wrote:Just to throw something out here..

Origins Game Fair in Columbus Ohio is the baby of GAMA. (Game Manufacturers Association.) (http://www.gama.org/)

One of THE biggest gaming conventions across all game types in the USA. Board, Card, Collectible, RPG, historical AND scifi/fantasy miniatures.

I run 40k events there, and confess to bias.

Last year, our group was told that Games Workshop for the first time in many years.. paid their dues to GAMA and would have a presence at Origins 2011. Evidently this NON GW event will have some level of "official" GW support.. maybe even a booth or a seminar.

We can but hope.

-Porkuslime

that is quite surprising. origins was the first big independent con that they dropped (followed by gencon). it'd be nice if the big boys played nice with the industry and WOTC and GW started attending stuff they didn't currently or previously own like origins.

**MeanGreenStompa**

Kanluwen wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:His absence is notable isn't it, perhaps it was the apology I demanded on page 1 for his pages of insistence there would be no 'rounding off' of the VAT increases.

Bwuh? Where did I say there would be no 'rounding off' of the VAT increases or anything of the kind?
You must be referring to Mr Mystery. I didn't even post in the VAT thread.

Oh balls, you're quite right (for once

) and it was in fact nosferatu1001 who wrote:

noferatu1001 wrote:
MGS - ah typical you. You have now changed the conditions of the argument so yours looks less foolish and unfounded.

The price rise in January is JUST the VAT rise Nothing more.

Any price rise in summer MAY then round these off. WEll, any price rise is almost *certain* to round them off, IF there is a price rise.

Given you were the first person to shout "shut up" I was simply responding in kind. I have no desire to try to make you shut up, just correcting your repeated errors and distortions, while being amused at your contortions in trying to not admit a failure. #

The shops *cannot* eat a 2.5% VAT rise, as their margins are wafer thin. CLosing stores would reduce the recruitment of new gamers, hurting the company in the long run. I assume people calling for shops to close simply fail to grasp this basic bit of economics, despite attempts at educating otherwise.

Here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/334558.page

Full apology to you kanluwen.

Now I'll wait for my apology from nosferatu1001.

**Kanluwen**

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:His absence is notable isn't it, perhaps it was the apology I demanded on page 1 for his pages of insistence there would be no 'rounding off' of the VAT increases.

Bwuh? Where did I say there would be no 'rounding off' of the VAT increases or anything of the kind?
You must be referring to Mr Mystery. I didn't even post in the VAT thread.

Oh balls, you're quite right (for once )

Hey now. I've been right at least three times, damnit!

Full apology to you kanluwen.

It's okay, Brian Blessed. You must have been flying too fast and it obviously made you think I was someone else.

**Kroothawk**

Kanluwen wrote:Hey now. I've been right at least three times, damnit!

Must have been before I joined this forum

**Kanluwen**

At least I know the difference between a "source" and "copy/paste", Kroot!

**Kroothawk**

That's not one of your three times

**Kanluwen**

It sure as hell isn't your one time being right either

**fullheadofhair**

Kanluwen wrote:At least I know the difference between a "source" and "copy/paste", Kroot!

Now that is funny stuff right there. Almost sig worthy.

**Kroothawk**

Well, I have been a source often enough, with my first post on Warseer being the first pic of the Wood Elf Hero on Eagle.

**Terminus**

filbert wrote:I wonder then if we might not be approaching a watershed moment when GW realise that perhaps raising prices continually is doing them more harm than good?

That would imply they are intelligent, rational beings, so.... no.

**lord marcus**

Terminus wrote:
filbert wrote:I wonder then if we might not be approaching a watershed moment when GW realise that perhaps raising prices continually is doing them more harm than good?

That would imply they are intelligent, rational beings, so.... no.

Exactly. We are dealing with GW the warhammer giant.

**Laughing Man**

lord marcus wrote:
Terminus wrote:
filbert wrote:I wonder then if we might not be approaching a watershed moment when GW realise that perhaps raising prices continually is doing them more harm than good?

That would imply they are intelligent, rational beings, so.... no.

Exactly. We are dealing with GW the warhammer giant.

Instead of attacking normally, roll on the Giant Attack table. Roll a D6:

1: Yell and bawl about fan sites.
2: Jump up and down with prices. Mostly up.
3: Pick up LoTR.
4-6: Swing with ugly club and hit the Razorgor.

**FoxPhoenix135**

You left out 5: Create codex that boosts sales of model kits with unbalanced rules, as long as the kits are $60+ in value.

**Kroothawk**

Most important:
6.) Fire creative staff (veterans first) and close stores to improve the balance

**Fafnir**

Is it a bad thing that lately I get more enjoyment out of watching GW's attempts at a business model than I do out of their actual product?

**imweasel**

GW's pricing and incredibly slow release schedule with everything is so bad it's surprising that they have managed to stay profitable at all the last few years.

They have little innovation and basically rely on the fact that some folks are simple addicts to their game.

I think they are finding out that it's not such an addictive game and they might actually have to work to make their cash.

**Aduro**

Does Privateer Press do trading statements like this? I'd be curious to see how the two compare.

**warboss**

Aduro wrote:Does Privateer Press do trading statements like this? I'd be curious to see how the two compare.

depends on if they're a publicly traded corporation or not. if they're privately owned (which i'd suspect), they don't have to. mongoose does a year end review where they talk a mix of financial and creative stuff but that's the closest i've seen a private company do to this.

**Laughing Man**

Aduro wrote:Does Privateer Press do trading statements like this? I'd be curious to see how the two compare.

Nope. Privateer is still privately owned, IIRC, or at the very least isn't publicly traded.

EDIT: Yeah, looks like it's owned solely by Matt Wilson, after McVey and Snoddy left.

**Hashshashin**

also PP is a much smaller company then GW both physically and financially. Not that smaller is automatically less good (actually I often like it better when its smaller) but really it's not a equal comparison between GW and PP.

I actually think BoK had a decent article about this and I think Tasty's pointing to 8th fantasy and a lack of 40k releases for much of the year really seems to make sense to me as a likely cause of this drop off.

Also the price increases don't help to attract new players but thats a another long conversation.

**Kirasu**

Its totally a result of them dropping the ball on releases. They need much better organization.

Its a good thing I have plenty of backed up projects to keep me busy