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Melissia wrote:

generalgrog wrote:Show us all the gem where I say I am "disgusted by gay people".

Right here:

generalgrog wrote:homosexuality is a sexual perversion in the same light as porn addiction, nymphomania, pedophelia etc.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/510/233388.page
Look at the bolded parts of this, especially. Statements like this piss me off more than almost anything else. They are spiteful, hateful, ignorant, and disgusting comments that frankly are utterly indefensible.

You are a homophobe, and have repeatedly stated you are such. If you want to say you've changed, that's fine (I wouldnt' believe you for an instant), but don't say you never said these kinds of thigns.

The fact is, that the homosexual agenda has attempted to hijack the civil rights legacy and try and make the claim that homosexuality is a thing you are born with similar to someone being born a racial minority. Yes I know there have been "scientific" studies attempting to claim a " gay gene".

I know there are people on here that are sexual perverts and they don't like being called out on it. That doesn't make me a bigot, it makes me honest, and someone who will not be accused of being an enabler. Hopefully being honest will help someone come to the realization that they can change.

I have said this before but it bears repeating to the new folks. You can love the sinner but hate the sin. I can be disgusted by the homosexual act but love the homoesexual. What howard and melissia are trying to do, is equate opposition to what I believe to be sexual perversion, to hatred. And that is wrong, and quite unfair.

Anyway we are getting kind of off topic...again.

GG

generalgrog wrote:
I know there are people on here that are sexual perverts and they don't like being called out on it. That doesn't make me a bigot, it makes me honest, and someone who will not be accused of being an enabler. Hopefully being honest will help someone come to the realization that they can change.

By existing near it and holding an opinion, you automatically become an enabler?

@Ouze

I'm in total agreement about not trying to outlaw anything people indulge in that doesn't hurt anyone else. There is always going to be someone with a weakness for something where it is better for them that they never indulge in.
The only real thing I wanted to bring up was that it's an incorrect statement to say porn is 100 percent harmless based things I have personaly witnessed and been told by ex spouses of people who let porn become more important than their families.
The emotional toll is similar to that of living with an alcoholic or drug addict if what I witnessed was any indicator.
There are tons of people that can watch porn for a laugh or turn on and not even think about it the next day, I realize this, especially since back in the day me and some buds would kick on down to the Body Shop or I'd catch a show with my buds or a girlfriend. I've left those days long behind with no ill effect.
It's just things I've seen in this past couple of years with those that shouldn't have uncorked that particular genie that troubles me about porn.

generalgrog wrote:
The fact is, that the homosexual agenda has attempted to hijack the civil rights legacy and try and make the claim that homosexuality is a thing you are born with similar to someone being born a racial minority. Yes I know there have been "scientific" studies attempting to claim a " gay gene".

Civil rights don't have to be about the color of one's skin.

generalgrog wrote:
I know there are people on here that are sexual perverts and they don't like being called out on it. That doesn't make me a bigot, it makes me honest, and someone who will not be accused of being an enabler. Hopefully being honest will help someone come to the realization that they can change.

Well, no, it makes you judgmental. Given how often you have criticized me for analyzing your words for insight into your person, you're standing on very shaky ground. Especially if you're going to use the word "know", very sloppy.

But hey, I'll be glad to return the favor if you continue your righteous tune.

generalgrog wrote:
I have said this before but it bears repeating to the new folks. You can love the sinner but hate the sin. I can be disgusted by the homosexual act but love the homoesexual. What howard and melissia are trying to do, is equate opposition to what I believe to be sexual perversion, to hatred. And that is wrong, and quite unfair.

Not really. The "hate the sin, love the sinner" argument is bogus at the best of times. It relies on the presumption that homosexuality is a perversion, or abnormal. And, be that as it may, people are essentially a collection of characteristics, some more important than others. Generally, and this seems to be supported by just how fervent the opposition to homosexuality is in some circles, sexuality is considered one of the more important ones. Arguing that a fundamental characteristic of a given person is worthy of hate is not tacit to hating that person, or at least a very large part of that person, is just a lame attempt at a dodge.

In short, its moral hand washing of the very worst kind.

Edit: For embarrassing alcohol inspired transposition.

generalgrog wrote:The fact is, that the homosexual agenda

Is a deranged, disgusting delusion dreamed up by paranoid minds and demagogues trying to rabble-rouse through fear.

generalgrog wrote:Yes I know there have been "scientific" studies attempting to claim a " gay gene".

The fact taht you put the words scientific in quotes shows that you don't know a damned thing that you're talking about.

generalgrog wrote:I know there are people on here that are sexual perverts and they don't like being called out on it. That doesn't make me a bigot

No, you're a bigot because you constantly hate-monger.

generalgrog wrote:

The fact is, that the homosexual agenda has attempted to hijack the civil rights legacy and try and make the claim that homosexuality is a thing you are born with similar to someone being born a racial minority. Yes I know there have been "scientific" studies attempting to claim a " gay gene".

Scientific studies have determined that sexuality is most likely a result of chemical levels during foetal development in the womb and genetics. Source here http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19955753

If it were a choice then there would be evidence that the environment in which a child has grown up affects their likelihood of "choosing" homosexuality. So far no study has found any evidence that this is the case.

generalgrog wrote:

Melissia wrote:

generalgrog wrote:Show us all the gem where I say I am "disgusted by gay people".

Right here:

generalgrog wrote:homosexuality is a sexual perversion in the same light as porn addiction, nymphomania, pedophelia etc.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/510/233388.page
Look at the bolded parts of this, especially. Statements like this piss me off more than almost anything else. They are spiteful, hateful, ignorant, and disgusting comments that frankly are utterly indefensible.

You are a homophobe, and have repeatedly stated you are such. If you want to say you've changed, that's fine (I wouldnt' believe you for an instant), but don't say you never said these kinds of thigns.

The fact is, that the homosexual agenda has attempted to hijack the civil rights legacy and try and make the claim that homosexuality is a thing you are born with similar to someone being born a racial minority. Yes I know there have been "scientific" studies attempting to claim a " gay gene".

I know there are people on here that are sexual perverts and they don't like being called out on it. That doesn't make me a bigot, it makes me honest, and someone who will not be accused of being an enabler. Hopefully being honest will help someone come to the realization that they can change.

I have said this before but it bears repeating to the new folks. You can love the sinner but hate the sin. I can be disgusted by the homosexual act but love the homoesexual. What howard and melissia are trying to do, is equate opposition to what I believe to be sexual perversion, to hatred. And that is wrong, and quite unfair.

Anyway we are getting kind of off topic...again.

GG

That is fine GG as long as you are ready and willing to allow people to question your own actual morality.

fair is fair...

Problem is we have people that say all manner of offensive, hateful and exclusatory things and then want to hide behind a moral/religious shield as an excuse. If you are willing to use that shield then it is fair game to be attacked in turn.

Though aged (was made years ago), this about sums up the utter absurdity that is the rumored "gay agenda".

GeneralGrog's posts on sexuality are a live demonstration of the phrase "the road to hell is paved with good intentions."

Where other men like to stick their fun parts is no business of anyone other than said men. The fact that it is such a major issue quite frankly bewilders me. If you think homosexuality is wrong, then don't engage in such activities yourself. But do not presume to tell others how to live their lives. The fact so many conservative Christian politicians, Mr. Santorum included, feel that it is their duty to force their own morals upon the rest of the country is disgusting and reprehensible.


GG, why do you feel the need to tell others that what they do is wrong? Why are you not satisfied with simply refraining from homosexuality yourself? (Not trying to stir the pot, just simply curious.)

A Town Called Malus wrote:If it were a choice then there would be evidence that the environment in which a child has grown up affects their likelihood of "choosing" homosexuality. So far no study has found any evidence that this is the case.

For example, homosexual parents have not been proven to raise homosexual children more often than heterosexual parents. The child is usually less ashamed about their sexuality whatever they end up being ,but the actual occurrence of sexuality doesn't change.

Not that you'd hear anything like this if you're busy listening to the delusional hacks that spout non-sense like the "gay agenda".

Oh yes lets ban porn because its sooooo evil but we will totally let you all have guns.alcohol and deny you health care if you dont have the cash.

Poor yanks. Its idiots like No personal attacks. -Mannahnin that are ruin other countries perceptions of you.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:My friend just got really messed up and tried to witness me and then I see this thread.

I understand all these words, but the meaning of the sentence as a whole eludes me...
Is witnessing evangelising? Or something similar?




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generalgrog wrote:
The fact is, that the homosexual agenda has attempted to hijack the civil rights legacy and try and make the claim that homosexuality is a thing you are born with similar to someone being born a racial minority. Yes I know there have been "scientific" studies attempting to claim a " gay gene".

I know there are people on here that are sexual perverts and they don't like being called out on it....

...You can love the sinner but hate the sin. I can be disgusted by the homosexual act but love the homoesexual. What howard and melissia are trying to do, is equate opposition to what I believe to be sexual perversion, to hatred. And that is wrong, and quite unfair.

By what authority or experience are you qualified to judge someone a pervert?...
Have you been reading some Kraft-Ebing? 'Cos you don't seem much more up to date than he was.

We need to find Santorums gay lover and fast! I seriously dont get WTF these prudes problems are TBH. Dont they think thats impeding on peoples freedoms to tell them "NO! YOU CANT DO SOMETHING!!"

generalgrog wrote:I know there are people on here that are sexual perverts and they don't like being called out on it. That doesn't make me a bigot, it makes me honest, and someone who will not be accused of being an enabler. Hopefully being honest will help someone come to the realization that they can change.

I would break the posting rules if I responded to this in the manner I would like. Gay people are not 'sexual perverts' and 'calling them out on it' does actually make you a bigot not 'honest'. I have quite a few gay and bisexual friends... your post is just horrible.

Howard A Treesong wrote:

generalgrog wrote:I know there are people on here that are sexual perverts and they don't like being called out on it. That doesn't make me a bigot, it makes me honest, and someone who will not be accused of being an enabler. Hopefully being honest will help someone come to the realization that they can change.

I would break the posting rules if I responded to this in the manner I would like. Gay people are not 'sexual perverts' and 'calling them out on it' does actually make you a bigot not 'honest'. I have quite a few gay and bisexual friends... your post is just horrible.

Even though you and people like you would like to make people believe it's bigoted to call homosexuality sin, you may as well call me a bigot vs porn perverts too. And I guess in your world I am also a bigot towards adulterers and liars, and thieves.

But when I call homosexuality sin all of sudden the brainwashing kicks in.. you call me a bigot.

GG

generalgrog wrote:But when I call homosexuality sin all of sudden the brainwashing kicks in.. you call me a bigot.

I'm 'brainwashed' because I don't consider homosexuality to be 'wrong' like hurtful, criminal actions like paedophilia or theft? What a sad joke. May I ask who brainwashed me?

What's a 'porn pervert'? People making porn, people who use too much porn, or anyone who has ever used porn?

GG Why do you believe homosexuality to be a sin?

You can say one thing about Santorum, he is not a president who will unite this country of social issues. Not that it seems like this country can be united anyways... I would also like to point out my gay uncle and his long time partner have done nothing harmful to people around them or society in general.

This thread is now full of

generalgrog wrote:But when I call homosexuality sin all of sudden the brainwashing kicks in.. you call me a bigot.

GG

the term brainwashing, unfortunately, is bitterly ironic.

It seems to imply that you're arguing from a well articulated position supported by empirical evidence and solid theories, and that we're basing our arguments on a simple message based on personality, faith, or fear.

Except, you know, it's really the opposite.

It's fine to argue from faith. I, like dogma, feel that there's a limit to how much you can "hate the sin" while claiming you love the sinner, but that's a matter of degree. I just don't feel that you can argue from faith while accusing those arguing based on evidence that we're brainwashed.

generalgrog wrote:
But when I call homosexuality sin all of sudden the brainwashing kicks in.. you call me a bigot.

GG

YOU are the one apparently brainwashed (assuming your not just a troll):

You have every right to base your life and beliefs on unfounded religious fairy tales and superstitions if you so choose, but just like bigfoot and the lochness montser, not everybody believes in the same myths as you...

generalgrog people like you that insist on spouting hatred and claim justifiction based upon a collection of old fables do very little to convince me that religion isn't just a socially accepetd form of mental illness...

I am willing to leave people to believe whatever they want to believe, but as I already stated: when you try to post/spread hatred and then hide behind a religious shield, then you have made it (your religion) fair game for the same kind of pointed discussion as the topic at hand...

witnessing = evangelizing/converting/absorbing into the hive mind.

generalgrog wrote:
But when I call homosexuality sin all of sudden the brainwashing kicks in.. you call me a bigot.

GG

You're not a victim here. You are attacking what many people believe they are the same as what you believe you are. Suppose I started saying it was wrong to be a straight white male because some code you owe no allegiance to says so; I'd probably not come off so well to you, and there's a reason for that.

Melissia wrote:

generalgrog wrote:The fact is, that the homosexual agenda

Is a deranged, disgusting delusion dreamed up by paranoid minds and demagogues trying to rabble-rouse through fear.

generalgrog wrote:Yes I know there have been "scientific" studies attempting to claim a " gay gene".

The fact taht you put the words scientific in quotes shows that you don't know a damned thing that you're talking about.

generalgrog wrote:I know there are people on here that are sexual perverts and they don't like being called out on it. That doesn't make me a bigot

No, you're a bigot because you constantly hate-monger.

Normally I can't agree with Melissia on her posts about anything-here, I fully agree with her, 100%. GG, the only brainwashed person on here is you-you've been brainwashed by the nutcases among religion (not to assume all people of religion are nuts) to believe certain things because you don't understand them. Go live in a cave with no access to the internet or world-you'd be doing us all a favor. Melissia and Howard have BOTH posted quotes from you, and you've gone on to say "well, they misunderstood that one-find another one that says I'm a bad person." I'm paraphrasing of course, but your denial has spread over the past page and a half. I have no respect for you-not because you hate porn, but for your hatred of homosexuals. I have some good friends who prefer relationships with people of the same sex-they aren't bad people, they just don't love who you think they should love.

And your attacks do make you a hate-monger. We don't need people like that in this world. If anything, I believe that less homosexual marriages end in divorce (percentage-wise) because they fight so much harder to have that marriage. Do I have actual statistics? No. But I know a few gay/lesbian couples and NONE of them have had divorces. Meanwhile I have plenty of friends who have been divorced at least once, and I've dated a girl who was divorced-we were both 24 at the time. Normally, I love to laugh and throw in a witty remark, like The Emperor telling Luke his hate has made him powerful...but I don't have any desire to waste humor on someone like you. I suppose you deny a woman the right to have an abortion if she's raped too, don't you?

And I'm a Christian myself, but you know what? Your post about believing in the Bible totally is absolute bullgak. The Bible was written by man-it's fallible. It is not accurate. How do you explain the finding of the Book of Judas, where he goes on to tell the world that Jesus ORDERED Judas to hand him over? Oh, wait, the Bible doesn't cover that-it covers Judas being a traitor. He does what God and Jesus will him to do, against his own will, and when it's found, it's ignored because we have a perfect view of the Bible and Heaven forbid that view gets skewed by an honest telling. Use it as a guide, but do not for a second believe it's perfect. It isn't.

I detest ignorant people who try to push hatred on others for something they don't understand.

generalgrog wrote:Even though you and people like you would like to make people believe it's bigoted to call homosexuality sin

Because you ARE a bigot, looking down your nose at all the supposed "perverts".

If you want to vomit out such trashed arguments as "brainwashed", I'd argue that you were brainwashed into your disgusting hateful bigotry.

Want to know what's a sin? Pride's a sin. Your pride in not being a "pervert" makes you just as much a sinner as the supposed "perverts" you spout hate at. Probably moreso-- pride is supposed to be the worst of the varied sins.

I admit that I'm full of unbridled rage and anger at... well, it's not directed at anything really. It's just there. I struggle to control it every day. It's tempered my world view, I know that I'm an imperfect little bastard of a woman and, as easy as it is, I shouldn't hate people for who they are. But you're making it really fething hard, t obe sure.

This threads gone way off topic and GG has said this a gak load of times before, so much In fact even Im bored of it, so lets just accept that a great many Evangelical American conservatives see things his way and move on eh?

Im going to say this. GG
Only one being get to stand in judgement, God. You have no right to judge others. Let he without sin cast the first stone.
If you ever ate shrimp you commited sin. If you didnt burn a divorcee at the stake you commited sin. If you ever looked at a women without pure intent you will be doomed to hell for all eternity.
What im saying is things change GG. That bible was not made by god. It was made by man. Men who are fallible.

mattyrm wrote: This threads gone way off topic and GG has said this a gak load of times before, so much In fact even Im bored of it, so lets just accept that a great many Evangelical American conservatives see things his way and move on eh?

Yeah. They also want to support Israel, hoping that it gets in to a major war so that it'll start the apocalypse (and then be destroyed while the Christians go "aaah!" and get in to heaven, but only the proper Christians, not those other filthy sinner Christians who don't agree with them on every minor point of faith).

It's something that should make Israelites nervous, but I dunno if many of their politicos really seem to get it. Or perhaps they just don't care.

And whatever happened to "love thy neighbor" and "judge not"?

OYG, Christians make my head hurt....

alarmingrick wrote:And whatever happened to "love thy neighbor" and "judge not"?

OYG, Christians make my head hurt....

It's not all of us, just the idiots who make the rest of us good Christians look bad