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2012/05/18 03:01:06
Subject: How does the US reconcile the separation of Church and State with Christian rhetoric?
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Melissia wrote:Uh yeah, the bible's great flood story isn't even original to the bible, so don't try to claim it informed all other stories.
Who claimed what now? I think you probably need to go back and re-read what I said. Automatically Appended Next Post: sirlynchmob wrote:Well as far as stories go, the bible isn't even that good of one. Sure its a cult classic, but I'd hardly rank it up there with Shakespeare, Twain or Poe. For people of the era though Socrates, or plato are much more philosophically relevant than the bible. Plus they were real people.
The Bible is a story. It's a whole load of stories, and some of them are really, really good ones. Good enough to have been retold countless times, and have their themes, characters and imagery worked into countless other stories. I mean, I couldn't even begin to count the number of hollywood movies that put Jesus imagery onto their main characters. Automatically Appended Next Post: Hordini wrote:I hope I'm not the only one that sees the humor in someone claiming that the people in the Bible were not real, unlike Socrates.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. |
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2012/05/18 23:45:27
Subject: How does the US reconcile the separation of Church and State with Christian rhetoric?
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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Hazardous Harry wrote:AustonT wrote:LoneLictor wrote:I'm a Catholic who gets Protestant and preferably Evangelical virgins pregnant and pressures them into abortions. That's what Jesus told me it means to be an American Catholic at least.
(Yes, I'm obviously joking)
I fixed this for you so you can still be a politician in America.
What?
 Funniest thing I've read in a while lol
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2012/05/19 14:21:54
Subject: How does the US reconcile the separation of Church and State with Christian rhetoric?
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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sebster wrote:Who claimed what now?
I was actually referring to this: Ahtman wrote:You don't understand the difference and cultural impact between a millennium spanning story and a recent comic book story? For starters probably just about every human on the planet knows the Flood Story in one form or another while Galactus is still recent pop culture figure. Another difference is that without those other stories you wouldn't have these later stories. The ancient stories that have survived through time inform our storytelling today. Stories from the Bible have informed comic book storytelling, never the other way around. This isn't even touching understanding the cultural impact.
I don't know what exact percentage of the bible's stories are original, but it's nowhere NEAR 100%. Other, older stories "informed" (what an awkward term to use?) the bible and thus, it's kind of silly to say that the bible has "informed" comic book writers (not all of whom are Christian) about all stories even tangentially related to anything that may have happened in the bible.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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2012/05/19 15:34:50
Subject: How does the US reconcile the separation of Church and State with Christian rhetoric?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Melissia wrote:I don't know what exact percentage of the bible's stories are original, but it's nowhere NEAR 100%. Other, older stories "informed" (what an awkward term to use?) the bible and thus, it's kind of silly to say that the bible has "informed" comic book writers (not all of whom are Christian) about all stories even tangentially related to anything that may have happened in the bible.
Depends on how you define "Original." I happen to subscribe to the Documentary hypothesis, or JEDP. At least some of the Pentateuch has been linked to earlier Caananite writing...which is kind of a "duh" statement. The Yahwesitic cult did not develop in a vacuum. The period that describes the Unified Kingdom is basically pro-David propaganda. Post Unified Kingdom is basically all original Hebrew writing, although it is more than likely that at least some of THOSE writing were developed outside of the bible first.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Documentary_hypothesis
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 Avatar 720 wrote:You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Come check out my Blood Angels,Crimson Fists, and coming soon Eldar
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/391013.page
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http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/391553.page
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
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2012/05/19 17:18:47
Subject: How does the US reconcile the separation of Church and State with Christian rhetoric?
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Mostly I defined it as originating from the people who wrote the various books wtihin.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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2012/05/19 17:28:50
Subject: How does the US reconcile the separation of Church and State with Christian rhetoric?
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Fixture of Dakka
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In which case under the JEDP very little of the OT is "original" as many of the books ascribed to a particular person, or groups of people were either recorded or wholly written by priests or scribes...which isn't exactly unique in ancient writing.
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Avatar 720 wrote:You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Come check out my Blood Angels,Crimson Fists, and coming soon Eldar
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/391013.page
I have conceded that the Eldar page I started in P&M is their legitimate home. Free Candy! Updated 10/19.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/391553.page
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
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