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AustonT wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:Christianity is the worst source for morality.

ORLY?
Go on.

go read the bible, not just the bumper stickers.

Have there been any public displays of Islam by a government body?

You mean a US government body? Cause there's always the theocratic states that the religious right in the US wish we were more like.

Kilkrazy wrote:
Have there been any public displays of Islam by a government body?

Nope

Melissia wrote:You mean a US government body? Cause there's always the theocratic states that the religious right in the US wish we were more like.

Yes, the US government.

No, not necessarily in favor of prayers in school. Because you are all right allowing one religion and banning others would amount to a government sponsored religion. Which is what the Founders took steps to prevent. They took steps to protect everyones religious freedoms, that does not mean they took steps to sterilize society from religion.

Im not going to argue everyones opinions on religion, you must have your reasons.

Frazzled, thanks for the heads up. I should probably stick to painting little plastic soldiers and complaining about GW's market strategy.

Also, I dont think there are US government Islam displays, could be wrong. That goes back to the point of christian influence in our founding. You can find that everywhere. Which goes back to my original point.

40kFSU wrote:Frazzled, thanks for the heads up. I should probably stick to painting little plastic soldiers and complaining about GW's market strategy.

Don't mind Frazz, he's just a grumpy old git

40kFSU wrote:No, not necessarily in favor of prayers in school. Because you are all right allowing one religion and banning others would amount to a government sponsored religion. Which is what the Founders took steps to prevent. They took steps to protect everyones religious freedoms, that does not mean they took steps to sterilize society from religion.

Im not going to argue everyones opinions on religion, you must have your reasons.

Frazzled, thanks for the heads up. I should probably stick to painting little plastic soldiers and complaining about GW's market strategy.

Also, I dont think there are US government Islam displays, could be wrong. That goes back to the point of christian influence in our founding. You can find that everywhere. Which goes back to my original point.

They never meant to sterilize it, that;s why you are allowed to build churches to what ever god you choose. The government is even nice enough to let you do it tax free, which I think they should stop. Your religion belongs in your church and home, not on the court house steps.

SilverMK2 wrote:

40kFSU wrote:Frazzled, thanks for the heads up. I should probably stick to painting little plastic soldiers and complaining about GW's market strategy.

Don't mind Frazz, he's just a grumpy old git

True but I'm right. Plenty of OT topics to voice opinion on without getting heartburn. The weekly antiChristian threads aint one of them.

I think we are now talking about something else. I was just trying to explain why the constitution sets up a secular government, but it was intended to be populated by persons of moral fiber. At the time, christianity. I don't see a problem with the tax code. Applies to all religions and non profits and charities. You want to change the tax code, cut income and corporate rates.

That should set off a few of you.

1) As to Obama being only half-negroid vs. 'pure' negroid (to use the anthropological term...)

There are very few 'pure' negriods in America, short of recent immigrants from Africa. The vast majority have at least some caucasian, oriental, or even native american mixed in. This happened because of a propensity of early American men to find negroid, and later mixed-ancestry - women very exotic and desireable. However, social forces kept the mixed-ancestry children classified the same as their 'pure' mothers. This caused a hybridization over the generations, leading to 'negroids' in America that routinely mix classic negroid features with caucasian or oriental ones. It is only a superfical skin coloration and our own stick-in-the-mud society that keeps them classified as 'negroid.'

In short, we deny our cousins the relationship because our great-times-x-grandfathers couldn't keep it in their pants. And then we wonder why they are so filled with hate...

2) The problems with Christianity isn't with the teachings of Christ. It is the 2000 years of political bull**** that got tacked on since then. Go back to what Jesus said in the bible (straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak) and ignore EVERYTHING else (which was concieved by men, and therefore potentially flawed), and it becomes a lot clearer what God intends for us.

3) To the OP: How do we reconcile the separation of Church and State v. Christian Rhetoric? We don't; not really.

Edit: Nevermind, reference to something on page 2.

40kFSU wrote:I think we are now talking about something else. I was just trying to explain why the constitution sets up a secular government, but it was intended to be populated by persons of moral fiber. At the time, christianity. I don't see a problem with the tax code. Applies to all religions and non profits and charities. You want to change the tax code, cut income and corporate rates.

That should set off a few of you.

I think you should see this:




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz3EEqtcJME&list=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dtz3EEqtcJME&list=UUDyWzuw_u0TBnRaoAcVg0jw&index=0&feature=plcp

why isn't this working for me today.

sirlynchmob wrote:

AustonT wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:Christianity is the worst source for morality.

ORLY?
Go on.

go read the bible, not just the bumper stickers.

I can think of 10 good moral rules right off the bat.

sirlynchmob I dont know what you were trying to load but I bet I would have found it hilarious. Thanks anyway for the thought.

Chowderhead wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

AustonT wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:Christianity is the worst source for morality.

ORLY?
Go on.

go read the bible, not just the bumper stickers.

I can think of 10 good moral rules right off the bat.

so everyone who works on sunday is immoral then? like say all the priests who are working on that day


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ahah, posting just because I figured it out

"...as long as they're out of the womb, of course."

Genius.

Joey wrote:Because the prevailing politics of a nation have little to do with its constitution in reality, which is as it should be.
The founders of the USA were by-and-large secular, but the modern populace (and by extention the people they elect) are overtly religious.

You have that exactly backwards. The founders of the USA were all from one established religious sect or another. I challenge you to find one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence that was an atheist.

Tye_Informer wrote:

Joey wrote:Because the prevailing politics of a nation have little to do with its constitution in reality, which is as it should be.
The founders of the USA were by-and-large secular, but the modern populace (and by extention the people they elect) are overtly religious.

You have that exactly backwards. The founders of the USA were all from one established religious sect or another. I challenge you to find one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence that was an atheist.

Secular does not mean atheist.
Secular means a separation between church and state no matter the personal beliefs of any particular member of the government.

Is that cartoon......what? Is this actually the basis for your.....what? Wait, are you messing with me? Hey! Have you ever seen South Park Bigger Longer and Uncut?

40kFSU wrote:Is that cartoon......what? Is this actually the basis for your.....what? Wait, are you messing with me? Hey! Have you ever seen South Park Bigger Longer and Uncut?

.

I have that southpark movie on VHS around here somewhere, haven't seen it in ages. But this is what I think of every time someone like you says america is founded on christian values. Its funny cause its true

40kFSU wrote:Is that cartoon......what? Is this actually the basis for your.....what? Wait, are you messing with me? Hey! Have you ever seen South Park Bigger Longer and Uncut?

Ah memories:

SilverMK2 wrote:

AustonT wrote:ORLY?
Go on.

Contradictory and slightly insane directives (many of which are selectively ignored, some of which are based on prejudice rather than any concept of rational thinking, while others are blow out of all proportion) and based on being punished for doing bad and rewarded for doing good, rather than doing good simply because it is good, and not doing bad because it is bad?

Why don't you provide a few examples?

sirlynchmob wrote:

AustonT wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:Christianity is the worst source for morality.

ORLY?
Go on.

go read the bible, not just the bumper stickers.

You answered in a bumper sticker, see above.

This thread is positively brimming with wrong, I think I learned more about US history shagging my American missus than some of the Americans in here learned in ten years of school!

mattyrm wrote: This thread is positively brimming with wrong, I think I learned more about US history shagging my American missus than some of the Americans in here learned in ten years of school!

So are you really recommending we all er...never mind.

Frazzled wrote:

mattyrm wrote: This thread is positively brimming with wrong, I think I learned more about US history shagging my American missus than some of the Americans in here learned in ten years of school!

So are you really recommending we all er...never mind.

Haha!

Our lass says that men have all their best ideas during sex..

They just plugged into a genius.

mattyrm wrote: This thread is positively brimming with wrong, I think I learned more about US history shagging my American missus than some of the Americans in here learned in ten years of school!

The American education system is abysmal most places. There's a book called, "lies my teacher told me," that examines history books used by schools and deconstructs some common misconceptions and oversights.

mattyrm wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

mattyrm wrote: This thread is positively brimming with wrong, I think I learned more about US history shagging my American missus than some of the Americans in here learned in ten years of school!

So are you really recommending we all er...never mind.

Haha!

Our lass says that men have all their best ideas during sex..

They just plugged into a genius.

Is that what they call it these days

Hahahaha!! Frazzled to the rescue again! I don't think our friend up north picked up on that. I love it when people from other countries try to lecture on America. At any rate I am done. Gotta go to work. Damn 1%. Take care out there.

AustonT wrote:

mattyrm wrote: This thread is positively brimming with wrong, I think I learned more about US history shagging my American missus than some of the Americans in here learned in ten years of school!

The American education system is abysmal most places. There's a book called, "lies my teacher told me," that examines history books used by schools and deconstructs some common misconceptions and oversights.

Seriously though, who was it said all of the founding fathers were Christians?!

Even I know that almost all of them had at one point gobbed off about the whole state Religion thing, Benjamin Franklin, Paine, Adams, Jefferson, James Madison and even big bad George, I am pretty certain, if I could be arsed to google it, would all have been extremely critical at least once or twice of organised Religion at one point or the other. I remember my missus telling me that one of them famously said he absolutely hated going to church and only went to placate the masses, it might even have been George.

Who was the guy who said something like "Lighthouses are more use than Priests" was that Franklin?