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Brother SRM wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:

decoy101 wrote:might be wasting everyones time but adeptus minitures fb page is saying about possible 6th rulebook pdf

http://www.facebook.com/#!/AdeptusMinatures

not sure if i can put this up.

I see smoke but no fire. Probably just fishing for "Likes"

Considering how easy it is to just upload a .pdf anywhere, then yeah I'm inclined to agree with you.

Heh, when I called their bluff they deleted all my comments.

lord_blackfang wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:

decoy101 wrote:might be wasting everyones time but adeptus minitures fb page is saying about possible 6th rulebook pdf

http://www.facebook.com/#!/AdeptusMinatures

not sure if i can put this up.

I see smoke but no fire. Probably just fishing for "Likes"

Considering how easy it is to just upload a .pdf anywhere, then yeah I'm inclined to agree with you.

Heh, when I called their bluff they deleted all my comments.

Did you ask them to link it or shut up ?

Pretty much.

I don't really think we need anymore proof....

Mad4Minis wrote:

Nocturn wrote:I'm gonna guess around $65 - $70.

Ouch. Guess Ill watch the forums for details on the changes before I jump into that. If its not a big enough change from 5th Ill stick with the Shockforce/Warengine system for my 28mm needs.

Wait, I can't believe that anyone can be surprised by this number...especially with GW's record for price hikes. The current Warhammer Fantasy BRB is $75, and all of the army books released since are hardcover (about 96 pages each) @$42. I would be VERY surprised if the 40K 6th ED model did NOT follow this trend. Do I think these are ridiculous prices for a game that inherently has serious balance issues? Yes! (I'm talking 40K here, and no matter what they do to the core rules it won't balance all of the current Codices). GW doesn't seem to realize that the viable alternatives to their core games are growing, offering superior rules, superior organized play options, superior customer service, etc.

I was a GW fan-boy since I started with Rogue Trader in 1989...but the GW corporation of today has driven me away consistently for the past 7or 8 years. Every price hike, every badly balanced army book that is made to POWN the previous...has rotted away the last of my good will. We're down to one 'Games Day' in the US now where once we had almost a half a dozen. They charge $10 each for a monthly product advertisement catalog (white dwarf) that in most cases has maybe 2/3 content NOT applicable to someone playing just one of GWs 3 games.

I know what could make 40K a better game....farm out the rules to Fantasy Flight. FFG can write the rules, make them look good, and keep them balanced...and GW (Citadel) can concentrate on what they do best, making amazing miniatures.

I will look over the rules for 6th edition, but I'm not holding out much hope for an improved, more balanced game. In the mean time I will be playing Warmachine where they:

involved their fanbase in playtesting their very well balanced and clearly written MKII rules
have new involved, story-driven, seasonal campaign systems/rules every year
have a fantastic competitive tournament system that gets updated rules every year
have a core rulebook that costs half of that of GW's
have 144 page full color faction books that are offered in soft or hard back (which you don't even have to buy to play because each model's stats are included on a card when you buy it)
release a new book every year that gives every faction a few more toys to play with (Which helps them keep everything a little more balanced, and keeps all players engaged and expanding their forces...instead of waiting 7 years for a re-boot of your faction along with a few plastic kits and a few overpriced failcast singles)

...or I'll break out Malifaux, Infinity, Flames of War, Dust Warfare...the list of games that I'd rather play goes on for a while.

GW has decided that since they sell luxury goods, and that luxury goods are considered to be economically inelastic from a supply/demand perspective....that they can just keep raising their prices to milk every last disposable cent out of their fanbase, while providing substandard game rules and next to zero organized play support. The problem with that model is that every time they squeeze, they loose a little bit more of that fanbase...not to mention they price out interested parties from even starting. Kids have to have wealthy parents to be able to get in on the ground floor...and lets not kid ourselves, GW has been catering to that demographic more and more. Meanwhile, more and more of our money gets pumped into competitor's products. They aren't the only kid on the block anymore, and there will be a breaking point. I know I'm not the first hard-core fan-boy turned bitter malcontent, and at this rate I certainly wont be the last.

lord_blackfang wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:

decoy101 wrote:might be wasting everyones time but adeptus minitures fb page is saying about possible 6th rulebook pdf

http://www.facebook.com/#!/AdeptusMinatures

not sure if i can put this up.

I see smoke but no fire. Probably just fishing for "Likes"

Considering how easy it is to just upload a .pdf anywhere, then yeah I'm inclined to agree with you.

Heh, when I called their bluff they deleted all my comments.

I think their FB page is deleted now

Charax wrote:
I think their FB page is deleted now

Yeah, I looked for it and couldn't find it. I'd already been there earlier today and now that link goes nowhere. So yeah, I guess that's that.

Fango wrote: season campaign rules every year.

Explain this please? Do you mnea take 6 weeks every season of the year, fight a campaign, and each season has special rules. For example if it were WHFB then in spring life of life and Empire/Bretonnians/High Elves/Dark Elves/Wood Elvesget a boost? And in summer Lore of Fire and Tomb Kings and Lizardmen get a boost?

Deadshot wrote:

Fango wrote: season campaign rules every year.

Explain this please? Do you mnea take 6 weeks every season of the year, fight a campaign, and each season has special rules. For example if it were WHFB then in spring life of life and Empire/Bretonnians/High Elves/Dark Elves/Wood Elvesget a boost? And in summer Lore of Fire and Tomb Kings and Lizardmen get a boost?

Every year privateer press does a league that falls within each season, the players get cool bonuses and patches every season. It's something that I have not really seen gw do except that one for storm of magic last year, but that kind of flopped IMO

The GW around my way is doing that for fantasy. Summer season starts next saturday. Spring already over.

Brother SRM wrote:

Charax wrote:
I think their FB page is deleted now

Yeah, I looked for it and couldn't find it. I'd already been there earlier today and now that link goes nowhere. So yeah, I guess that's that.

Seems an odd publicity stunt to pull. "Look, we're going to tease you with this rumor, then delete our entire facebook profile!"

Their last post was that GW threatened to sue them if they published the leak. Regardless of whether they actually had one, that could make them crap their pants.

I've read on this monster topic thread, that the 40k release day is June 30th.

Is there hardcore proof to this, or another rumor?

In all seriousness, I can't see it being out on June 30th.

GW games ALWAYS have at least a month for new players to try the rules in store and to pre order the book.

If June 30th is the release date, then GW would be publicising it. It's too big a product for them not to do that.

Puscifer wrote:I've read on this monster topic thread, that the 40k release day is June 30th.

Is there hardcore proof to this, or another rumor?

In all seriousness, I can't see it being out on June 30th.

GW games ALWAYS have at least a month for new players to try the rules in store and to pre order the book.

If June 30th is the release date, then GW would be publicising it. It's too big a product for them not to do that.

BramGaunt said it, he's very reliable.

How much preview time did we get with fantasy 8th, could be similar to that I guess

I'm sure GW changes the way it does things, just to feth up our heads.

This is the first rulebook since their stunning marketing campaign of complete silence began.

i think they called it "Operation FUBAR"

Worst marketing strategy ever...if these guys were on the apprentice, they would be fired in the first 5 minutes of the show.

Puscifer wrote:I've read on this monster topic thread, that the 40k release day is June 30th.

Is there hardcore proof to this, or another rumor?

In all seriousness, I can't see it being out on June 30th.

GW games ALWAYS have at least a month for new players to try the rules in store and to pre order the book.

If June 30th is the release date, then GW would be publicising it. It's too big a product for them not to do that.

The old book is gone, from shops and online.

I really cannot see GW having NO rules available for a game for very long & I highly suspect the chance to see the rules in store before they are available as doubtful.

More then likely pre-orders will go up the week before, the rulebook will drop at the same time as WD (see dreadfleet). Giving No one the chance to look over the rules prior to going out and buying the thing on release day.

I'm confident that the rumours of the 30th June are true, too many things are pointing that way. To the point I'm setting the money aside for the pre-order (one week before payday, Grrrr).

What do you think the chances are of GW offerign some sort of PDF version?

None, i know. It woudl be a massive seller though. i'd certainly buy, even if i already had the big book. having a rulebook (even a reduced one like the AOBR one) which i can search through by word on my smartphone? Win.

deejaybainbridge wrote:

Puscifer wrote:I've read on this monster topic thread, that the 40k release day is June 30th.

Is there hardcore proof to this, or another rumor?

In all seriousness, I can't see it being out on June 30th.

GW games ALWAYS have at least a month for new players to try the rules in store and to pre order the book.

If June 30th is the release date, then GW would be publicising it. It's too big a product for them not to do that.

I really cannot see GW having NO rules available for a game for very long & I highly suspect the chance to see the rules in store before they are available as doubtful.

More then likely pre-orders will go up the week before, the rulebook will drop at the same time as WD (see dreadfleet). Giving No one the chance to look over the rules prior to going out and buying the thing on release day.

I think GW will have preview nights incoming so people can learn the rules. No core game has ever gone on sale without one, doing so would be suicide.

Kirby Says "Okay here is the plan, we need to increase our revenue by selling a TON of new 6th edition stuff. It's our most popular game so we're going to make sure everyone buys it by not letting anyone know its coming out. In addition, we won't give our trusted partner stores any advanced knowledge so they can't plan any kind of huge events in advance.

This strategy will be called "Confuse and Ignore" and it is guaranteed to sell tons of models. If players don't know what's coming then they can't decide to not buy it!"

GW Drones all clap and tell Kirby he's amazingly brilliant

Puscifer wrote:

deejaybainbridge wrote:

Puscifer wrote:I've read on this monster topic thread, that the 40k release day is June 30th.

Is there hardcore proof to this, or another rumor?

In all seriousness, I can't see it being out on June 30th.

GW games ALWAYS have at least a month for new players to try the rules in store and to pre order the book.

If June 30th is the release date, then GW would be publicising it. It's too big a product for them not to do that.

I really cannot see GW having NO rules available for a game for very long & I highly suspect the chance to see the rules in store before they are available as doubtful.

More then likely pre-orders will go up the week before, the rulebook will drop at the same time as WD (see dreadfleet). Giving No one the chance to look over the rules prior to going out and buying the thing on release day.

I think GW will have preview nights incoming so people can learn the rules. No core game has ever gone on sale without one, doing so would be suicide.

As already mentioned. This is the first core game release under the new "no news" regime. Whether they'll still apply the same rules to this as any other release remains to be seen.

If GW fail to even show off some of the rules that just screams bad move. No doubt some people will buy 6th either way as they think it will be the greatest thing ever but it could turn out to be the worst thing ever. With no info on the game or rules unless they put it in WD which even then I wont buy as that thing blows. Its just a bad move.
Think without a preview I would just wait a month or so and see what other people say but i`m not holding out for a change from GW and I think 6th will blow as bad as Fantasy 8th

As much as I would absolutely LOVE a preview of the rules so i could start digesting them before the release date, given GW's new policy I don't see that happening.

So did anybody notice with June's huge wave of fliers there was no real battle report in the White Dwarf? And that the back teaser page was a battle report, using fliers? Who else with me suspects that the battle for the airfield is the first WD BatRep using 6th ed rules, to show the resiliency of fliers in the new edition? Chances are the new WD will have pre-orders for the BRB and use the BatRep as a means of showing some of the new mechanics in the rules. Then 7 days later, BOOM, hardback rulebooks on shelves.

My prediction anyway.

Someone also mentioned before how the next WD comes out before the 30th (expected 6th release) and earlier than it usually would IIRC, so may be intended for it's usual preview role.

Grimtuff wrote:

Puscifer wrote:

deejaybainbridge wrote:

Puscifer wrote:I've read on this monster topic thread, that the 40k release day is June 30th.

Is there hardcore proof to this, or another rumor?

In all seriousness, I can't see it being out on June 30th.

GW games ALWAYS have at least a month for new players to try the rules in store and to pre order the book.

If June 30th is the release date, then GW would be publicising it. It's too big a product for them not to do that.

I really cannot see GW having NO rules available for a game for very long & I highly suspect the chance to see the rules in store before they are available as doubtful.

More then likely pre-orders will go up the week before, the rulebook will drop at the same time as WD (see dreadfleet). Giving No one the chance to look over the rules prior to going out and buying the thing on release day.

I think GW will have preview nights incoming so people can learn the rules. No core game has ever gone on sale without one, doing so would be suicide.

As already mentioned. This is the first core game release under the new "no news" regime. Whether they'll still apply the same rules to this as any other release remains to be seen.

Hence my understanding that it will be dropped on us with no warning or chance to read the rules, we will be forced to buy blind as was done with dreadfleet.

Just Dave wrote:Someone also mentioned before how the next WD comes out before the 30th (expected 6th release) and earlier than it usually would IIRC, so may be intended for it's usual preview role.

Interesting, as a Subscriber I should get a letter telling me of the change in release date ( I did when the WD dreadfleet issue was released later then usual due to the game ). So, if that does happen I will post said info.

Just Dave wrote:Someone also mentioned before how the next WD comes out before the 30th (expected 6th release) and earlier than it usually would IIRC, so may be intended for it's usual preview role.

Teaser page says July White Dwarf goes on sale June 23, 2012. 7 Days before Hastings' prediction that 6th edition will go on sale.

tetrisphreak wrote:

Just Dave wrote:Someone also mentioned before how the next WD comes out before the 30th (expected 6th release) and earlier than it usually would IIRC, so may be intended for it's usual preview role.

Teaser page says July White Dwarf goes on sale June 23, 2012. 7 Days before Hastings' prediction that 6th edition will go on sale.

Same day pre-orders will go up then assuming the new book is coming at the end of the month. I can only assume stores will get a copy and everyone will have a week to look things over. I hope so anyway, as the other option is far less desired. ( I would hate to buy a £50 book blind only to find very little has changed)

caminacambob wrote:I really hope that 6th does come soon, give me an excuse to really get into the game, love the models but people have always spammed a loophole when I played them so now hopefully I can get some games in before they discover the new ones

Thats one of my biggest problems with the current rules...every army has just a couple lists that are of any use, and if you dont play them your probably going to get beat every time, and thats no fun. What the game needs is a set unit design structure...not just a random assignment of points.


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deejaybainbridge wrote:

I'm confident that the rumours of the 30th June are true, too many things are pointing that way. To the point I'm setting the money aside for the pre-order (one week before payday, Grrrr).

Im not giving them $70+ for a rulebook until I have proof that they have made a vast improvement over the current rules. However, I am counting on the folks like you who will blindly give them a big chunk of cash to report on the new rules.