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Gotta chip in and say... 6th Edition will be my opportunity to finally dig into the game and play the damnable thing. I have no experience in 5th Edition at all, haven't played Fantasy nor 40k since I was 13, over a decade ago. I personally cannot wait for 6th...

As for pricing, i think GW should do 'half squad' boxes of all the main troops in Fantasy and 40K like the mini ones for Space Marines and Orks.

Most boxes have a couple of full sprues, all they have to do is make it one sprue to a box for half the price.

When I was a kid I often gradually built up a unit of archers or spearmen one blister at a time over each weekend.

yeah, i remember when i first started playign CSm i used to be able to go in and spend around £5 for a CSM Combat Squad of 5 marines.

no options, just 5 spare bodies with bolters. Great for bulking out units.

They still have those little boxes, 'cept it's 3 for 5.50 now.

And i think they are liek the AoBR models - snap fit.

Before it was 5 models as if they had come out fo the prper marine box. Separate arms, heads etc so more poseable.

Why would anyone ever by four ork boyz?

Unless you are completely unaware of the internet, you can easily get five times those boyz for just $15, by getting AOBR boyz off ebay.

azazel the cat wrote:I don't think that the FOC is going to change (no matter how much I'd like it to). The Necron codex, which was allegedly written with 6th Ed. in mind, has a FOC printed in it. So either the FOC is here to stay, or else the idea that the Necron codex being written with 6th Ed. in mind is a lie.


I honestly think that 6th Ed. will just be 5.01 Ed. where you'll see some new USRs like Fliers and Heavy, but I don't expect to see anything miraculous. (but as I've said before, the closer 6th Ed. is to the Pancake edition, the happier I'll be)

The FOC had to be included as it is a big part of the current rules. If 6th eliminates it, you simply ignore it, it only takes up part of a page.

Now 6th being essentially a 5.01 is my big worry...and the reason Im not going to rush out and drop $70+ on the book right away. Ill wait a couple weeks and keep an eye ont he forums, it wont take long for the details to hit. If the changes are significant enough and work well Ill jump in, if not Ill pass on 40k all together stick to Warengine, using 40k models.

Edit:spelling

Praxiss wrote:And i think they are liek the AoBR models - snap fit.

Before it was 5 models as if they had come out fo the prper marine box. Separate arms, heads etc so more poseable.

The combat squads still exist, yet for some crazed reason, they cost like £15 or so

/Sigh

Praxiss wrote:And i think they are liek the AoBR models - snap fit.

Before it was 5 models as if they had come out fo the prper marine box. Separate arms, heads etc so more poseable.

Yeah, they are AoBR-style models. Most armies have them. The combat squad boxes were literally just 5 Marines from the tactical squad box without the upgrade sprues, and at this point in time they cost almost as much as the full 10 man squads. They're the worst deal out there far as I'm concerned.

Brother SRM wrote:

Praxiss wrote:And i think they are liek the AoBR models - snap fit.

Before it was 5 models as if they had come out fo the prper marine box. Separate arms, heads etc so more poseable.

Yeah, they are AoBR-style models. Most armies have them. The combat squad boxes were literally just 5 Marines from the tactical squad box without the upgrade sprues, and at this point in time they cost almost as much as the full 10 man squads. They're the worst deal out there far as I'm concerned.

I'd say that the finecast FO are even worse

The Combat squad, IIRC, is simply 5 marines, not the snap fits, but the customisable ones like in the Battleforce or Tactical Squad box. There is a 3 pack of snap fits though.

I personally hope very few if any rules from fantasy are put into 6th edition. I personally think very few, if any of the fantasy rules would work well with the 40k ruleset. If they change around any of the turn structure, it will end up being that most codexes will be screwed over. THe thing that needs to be realised is that they need to design a ruleset that doesnt entirely screw over their current armies rules, so Id be suprised if you see anything very dramatic in the new rules.

US stores have also been told the same.

Yodhrin wrote:

tuiman wrote:

Lovepug13 wrote:I hope that wound allocation isn't completely changed....I have just collected a 1.5k nob biker list lol

Is that not what games worksop does now though?

New rulset to make all current armies useless = more money in sales as people build new armies

Here's an idea, I know it's a little out there but hear me out; how about.......you buy a balanced all-comers army and throw in a few units you just like the sound of, rather than building your whole force around the exploitation of a single rules quirk and hand-carving the models out of prime aged cheddar, then complaining that said quirk gets fixed in the new edition, you know, that thing that games do in order to fix quirks and mistakes.

Most sensible thing I've heard all year. People complaining about how GW is trying to fleece them out of their money is getting really old. Every company in the WORLD is trying to do that. Why don't all these people complain about all the other companies ripping them off too?

In any case, I don't think GW is changing their rules in order to rip people off. They do it to make a better game. The price hikes, now, that's how they rip people off.

SgtSixkilla wrote:Most sensible thing I've heard all year. People complaining about how GW is trying to fleece them out of their money is getting really old. Every company in the WORLD is trying to do that. Why don't all these people complain about all the other companies ripping them off too?

In any case, I don't think GW is changing their rules in order to rip people off. They do it to make a better game. The price hikes, now, that's how they rip people off.

1) People do complain about all of those other companies. However, they choose a different forum, as last I checked, DakkaDakka wasn't really dedicated to the GE community, nor Ford, nor Johnson & Jehnson, etc.

2) GW does not do it to make a better game. They do it to sell models. Revamping the core rules is something that tends to bring new life to a stagnant system, and thus encourages consumer growth. GW has on numerous occasions referred to themselves as a modelling company, and not a gaming company. GW does not make much money from new rules, as they are expensive to write, produce, playtest and distribute; and their markup is likely much lower than it is on their miniatures. However, those new rules are an investment, with the end goal of bolstering sales of their miniatures line.

SgtSixkilla wrote:People complaining about how GW is trying to fleece them out of their money is getting really old. Every company in the WORLD is trying to do that. Why don't all these people complain about all the other companies ripping them off too?

Contrary to what you might think it is possible to make money and foster goodwill with your customer base at the same time. These things needn't be mutually exclusive, no matter how much GW acts like they are.

Ha HBMC!

I just had an argument with a step-father-in-law where his argument for hating all supermarkets was that even when they dropped prices they secretly were chasing profits... hence is was lying!!

Companies don't have to FLEECE customers to make profit, infact unless you are a true monopoly... that is rarely a long term strategy (and I believe GW when they say that they are really trying not too... odd as I feel when I write that... just they don't get the balance between optionality and price points on new stuff)

Yay 6th! I just got back into the game after not playing since 2nd ed. Was just about to play my first game this sunday with my nearly completed force. But I might wait now so I can be on the same level as everyone else.

As long as they don't make it (too much) more random and fantasy like i'll be happy.

Yea, and if someone is exploiting a rules quirk, and always wins.... DON'T PLAY AGAINST THEM. If everyone does this, they will soon see the error of their ways. I can see the problem for tourneys though. What about special tournament rules (eg: No more than 3 nob bikers allowed)?

Kavish wrote:What about special tournament rules (eg: No more than 3 nob bikers allowed)?

2010 called, they wan't their "unbeatable" army list back...

I'm not sure I follow. What happened in 2010?

Kavish wrote:I'm not sure I follow. What happened in 2010?

The Ork Nob Biker army is kind of a 2010 (2009??) army and is considered to be far from overpowered nowadays...

Oh ok. Err... No Draigo or something? You get my point anyhow.

Yodhrin wrote:
Here's an idea, I know it's a little out there but hear me out; how about.......you buy a balanced all-comers army and throw in a few units you just like the sound of, rather than building your whole force around the exploitation of a single rules quirk and hand-carving the models out of prime aged cheddar, then complaining that said quirk gets fixed in the new edition, you know, that thing that games do in order to fix quirks and mistakes.

This.

When 5th and the new SM codex hit, all I had to do to keep my White Scars current was to build a Captain on bike to keep my bikes troops. I think I dropped one Land Speeder to fit him in.

Kavish wrote:Yay 6th! I just got back into the game after not playing since 2nd ed.

Funny, my last game of 40k was in 2nd Ed as well.

might be wasting everyones time but adeptus minitures fb page is saying about possible 6th rulebook pdf

http://www.facebook.com/#!/AdeptusMinatures

not sure if i can put this up.

I really hope that 6th does come soon, give me an excuse to really get into the game, love the models but people have always spammed a loophole when I played them so now hopefully I can get some games in before they discover the new ones

decoy101 wrote:might be wasting everyones time but adeptus minitures fb page is saying about possible 6th rulebook pdf

http://www.facebook.com/#!/AdeptusMinatures

not sure if i can put this up.

I see smoke but no fire. Probably just fishing for "Likes"

lord_blackfang wrote:

decoy101 wrote:might be wasting everyones time but adeptus minitures fb page is saying about possible 6th rulebook pdf

http://www.facebook.com/#!/AdeptusMinatures

not sure if i can put this up.

I see smoke but no fire. Probably just fishing for "Likes"

Considering how easy it is to just upload a .pdf anywhere, then yeah I'm inclined to agree with you.

it would give me a reason to get into 40k again
should start seeing more things in the next few weeks