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At least for now, with the allies matrix having the Tyranids allied with no one, the current writers at GW seem to agree that the Tyranids are the "kill em all" race. The tyrannids have pretty consistently been this since the beginning with the exception of the Zoats and genestealers (and even then, those two race's end goals was to kill them all, even if the latter didn't realize it).

It's true that the necrons were originally a kill-them-all race and got retconned into not being one. I personally however think this is because GW realized that TWO kill-them-all races was really REALLY redundant. Not sure if GW ever said anything to back that up, however.

Maynark Dyanasty is clearly a nod to the kill-them-all days though, that's for sure (and a nice way to send the message that if you still want to play your necrons as a kill-them-all group, you can.)

Does the medusa V necron scout titan ring a bell anybody?

TiamatRoar wrote:

 Kain wrote:
Tiamat, I meant assassinate Abaddon while he's still trying to push for Terra.

Once Abaddon dies, the consensus seems to be that Chaos falls into massive infighting of apocalyptic proportions in the Eye.

Ah. Well, there's a reason why the gods themselves literally declared they won't let him die. In that case, to kill Abaddon would be a game of the Necrons beating the gods' direct plan itself. Which is one that the Necrons have a decent chance of winning but I doubt the gods would go down without a fight (especially with Tzeentch around to anticipate things).

Can the gods protect him in a solar system sized area where the warp has been shut off by a baseball sized device? Especially after he and his ship are reduced to scattered free floating atoms?

 Kain wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:

 Kain wrote:
Tiamat, I meant assassinate Abaddon while he's still trying to push for Terra.

Once Abaddon dies, the consensus seems to be that Chaos falls into massive infighting of apocalyptic proportions in the Eye.

Ah. Well, there's a reason why the gods themselves literally declared they won't let him die. In that case, to kill Abaddon would be a game of the Necrons beating the gods' direct plan itself. Which is one that the Necrons have a decent chance of winning but I doubt the gods would go down without a fight (especially with Tzeentch around to anticipate things).

Can the gods protect him in a solar system sized area where the warp has been shut off by a baseball sized device? Especially after he and his ship are reduced to scattered free floating atoms?

Possibly not, but if that's the case,I imagine Tzeentch would anticipate and counter-plan in such a way that the Necrons never get the opportunity to pull that off in the first place.

TiamatRoar wrote:

 Kain wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:

 Kain wrote:
Tiamat, I meant assassinate Abaddon while he's still trying to push for Terra.

Once Abaddon dies, the consensus seems to be that Chaos falls into massive infighting of apocalyptic proportions in the Eye.

Ah. Well, there's a reason why the gods themselves literally declared they won't let him die. In that case, to kill Abaddon would be a game of the Necrons beating the gods' direct plan itself. Which is one that the Necrons have a decent chance of winning but I doubt the gods would go down without a fight (especially with Tzeentch around to anticipate things).

Can the gods protect him in a solar system sized area where the warp has been shut off by a baseball sized device? Especially after he and his ship are reduced to scattered free floating atoms?

Possibly not, but if that's the case,I imagine Tzeentch would anticipate and counter-plan in such a way that the Necrons never get the opportunity to pull that off in the first place.

I would say it's a bit more difficult than that, since Necrons have their own version of Divination, with Astromancy. It's much more of a cat and mouse game, and that's only with the direct "Intervention" by Tzeentch.

Even with the Warp backing them, It is still a foolish endeavor of the Highest caliber, to ever engage the Necron Fleet.

Very interesting discussion. I recall reading in the sisters of battle book Hammer and Anvil where they defeated the Necrons by the skin of their teeth, that during the battle the sisters had a shield generator running. Some necrons got within the shield and when they were defeated, their remains tried to phase out but then were stopped up against inside of the shield unable to return to their tomb. Does this not provide the Imperium of Man with a possible counter to Necron regeneration?

And for the overall point of this discussion I do believe that nids and chaos are a greater threat because they cannot be reasoned with. The Necrons could coexist with the other races to a degree. Some Necron Lords might even want to let the other races continue to exist so they could have the sport of fighing them on a regular basis. Nids and Chaos would just destroy everything.

The current Necron Codex intimates that the dimension-hopping abilities of the Necrons is foiled by the reality-warping effects of the daemonic, and against such foes the Necrons are at a significant disadvantage... especially in hyper-dimensions where the daemon is not necessarily restricted to being in a bound form, subject to instability, or worries about such things as "injury", being an immortal creature made from the raw essence of possibility and all.

 Sasori wrote:

I would say it's a bit more difficult than that, since Necrons have their own version of Divination, with Astromancy. It's much more of a cat and mouse game, and that's only with the direct "Intervention" by Tzeentch.

Even with the Warp backing them, It is still a foolish endeavor of the Highest caliber, to ever engage the Necron Fleet.

Is there even such a thing as "THE" Necron Fleet? I thought the necrons were broken up into multiple dynasties that were independent of each other. I could be wrong. I'm not that up to date on the current status of Necron space navy details. Which Necron fleet engaged Abaddon in the Black Crusade? (or is there no "revamped Necron" version of that yet? Maybe the version that existed before the revamped necrons didn't have all these crazy new superweapons from the fluff)

Who's controlling each of these Necron super weapons and have they actually started using them to encompass entire solar systems? (and if not, why not? Although I can see why most of them would refrain from the supernova one at leas, but what about the others? I don't recall seeing many fluff stories of necrons dealing with daemons or chaos marines just by shutting them off from the warp but I don't own the Necron codex)

As an aside, if the necrons really ARE that cheesy as some super united "Necron fleet" that can use such super weapons on such a ridiculously massive scale with impunity to seal and defeat the foe that the Imperium dubs "the arch enemy, I'm pretty sure Tzeentch WILL directly intervene in such a situation. The chaos gods aren't going to just sit by if something THAT powerful exists and goes against them. The fact that the chaos gods aren't in a huge panic rallying every single chaos demon and worshiper to unite together against this ridiculous "we seal off entire solar systems from the warp" threat leads me to believe that either the necrons' ability to do this is restricted for some reason (be it logistics, time it takes to pull it off, or just frankly highly exaggerated), or Tzeentch (and honestly probably the other gods, lest they be bugging him about such a ridiculously dangerous threat) knows about something that has Chaos prepared to deal with it.

 Dannyevilguy wrote:
Very interesting discussion. I recall reading in the sisters of battle book Hammer and Anvil where they defeated the Necrons by the skin of their teeth, that during the battle the sisters had a shield generator running. Some necrons got within the shield and when they were defeated, their remains tried to phase out but then were stopped up against inside of the shield unable to return to their tomb. Does this not provide the Imperium of Man with a possible counter to Necron regeneration?

And for the overall point of this discussion I do believe that nids and chaos are a greater threat because they cannot be reasoned with. The Necrons could coexist with the other races to a degree. Some Necron Lords might even want to let the other races continue to exist so they could have the sport of fighing them on a regular basis. Nids and Chaos would just destroy everything.

Well, not quite. We've seen multiple times that Chaos wants humanity to live. Why? Because they are the most corrupt race. They fight each other, (Khorne) take any chaos spells they can (Tzeench) are easily taken by disease (nurgle) and are easily seduced (slaneesh.) So, in truth they don't want to kill everyone, just make them suffer for all eternity.

Well, the message Chaos gave to several of the primarchs is that they really just want Mankind to embrace Mankind's inherent chaotic nature (and the worship of the chaos gods that come with it). That's one of the reasons why one of the names for Chaos is "The Primordial Truth". Assuming they aren't lying out their ass (which they very well might be), the Chaos Gods possibly sincerely believe Mankind's supposed to be chaotic and should embrace their gods, unlike those jackass eldar that keep rejecting Slaanesh

TiamatRoar wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

I would say it's a bit more difficult than that, since Necrons have their own version of Divination, with Astromancy. It's much more of a cat and mouse game, and that's only with the direct "Intervention" by Tzeentch.

Even with the Warp backing them, It is still a foolish endeavor of the Highest caliber, to ever engage the Necron Fleet.

Is there even such a thing as "THE" Necron Fleet? I thought the necrons were broken up into multiple dynasties that were independent of each other. I could be wrong. I'm not that up to date on the current status of Necron space navy details. Which Necron fleet engaged Abaddon in the Black Crusade? (or is there no "revamped Necron" version of that yet? Maybe the version that existed before the revamped necrons didn't have all these crazy new superweapons from the fluff)

Who's controlling each of these Necron super weapons and have they actually started using them to encompass entire solar systems? (and if not, why not? Although I can see why most of them would refrain from the supernova one at leas, but what about the others? I don't recall seeing many fluff stories of necrons dealing with daemons or chaos marines just by shutting them off from the warp but I don't own the Necron codex)

As an aside, if the necrons really ARE that cheesy as some super united "Necron fleet" that can use such super weapons on such a ridiculously massive scale with impunity to seal and defeat the foe that the Imperium dubs "the arch enemy, I'm pretty sure Tzeentch WILL directly intervene in such a situation. The chaos gods aren't going to just sit by if something THAT powerful exists and goes against them. The fact that the chaos gods aren't in a huge panic rallying every single chaos demon and worshiper to unite together against this ridiculous "we seal off entire solar systems from the warp" threat leads me to believe that either the necrons' ability to do this is restricted for some reason (be it logistics, time it takes to pull it off, or just frankly highly exaggerated), or Tzeentch (and honestly probably the other gods, lest they be bugging him about such a ridiculously dangerous threat) knows about something that has Chaos prepared to deal with it.

Tome of Fate basically says that Chaos hates the Necrons because they really can't affect them. Even stating that this is especially true for Tzeentch. Also they don't need a super united fleet because even in pieces it simply outclasses everyone else.

 Stonerhino wrote:
Tome of Fate[/i] basically says that Chaos hates the Necrons because they really can't affect them. Even stating that this is especially true for Tzeentch. Also they don't need a super united fleet because even in pieces it simply outclasses everyone else.

Neither of those address the context of the question. It's undoubtedly true that the Chaos gods can't corrupt the necrons from within, but battles from without can still be fought. And whether or not the necrons are corruptible (which they aren't) has nothing to do with whether or not Tzeentch can factor them into his plans.

And they do need a super united fleet if they want to pull something off like killing Abaddon. Yes, bits and pieces of their fleet can beat bigger bits and pieces of Abaddon's fleet, but bits and pieces of their fleet can't beat BIGGEST bits and pieces of Abaddon's fleet. Oherwise they would have just snapped their fingers and vaporized Abaddon during the Black Crusade. You have to remember the Necrons DID directly oppose Chaos... or, rather, some did, yet while having a substantial impact, it was hardly the "Chaos pwned Abaddon dead!" outcome that certain posters are posturing in this thread.

The way necron fans are screaming in this thread, you'd think the necrons could just wave a cryptek rod and suddenly the chaos gods are contained in a teeny little box and the necrons own the universe! And again, if they could do something like THAT, the necrons would have done that already (especially since there's already been a major conflict where they got involved. See: The 13th Black Crusade). So clearly there are either some restrictions or logistics that make it at the very best difficult (and at the worse, unfeasible) or something is being highly exaggerated here. Even the Maynark Dynasty's progress was bogged down once Chaos was involved (previously the chaos forces in the sector were just sitting by eating popcorn as the Imperium got pwned) so obviously the necrons, while powerful, aren't THAT ridiculously powerful to the "lolz, we could anhilate Abaddon like he was nothing but a goldfish turd!" point like some posters are touting in this thread.

Lol what kinda question is that?

Entire imperium planets have dissapeared in the Necron's onslaught... They strip flesh and power armour away, scare the eldar shitless.... na, they are just coming for a cup of tea XD

Anyone remember in Warhammer when the 'Great Lord of Chaos who was blessed by them all and sent to destroy mankind' was having the final battle at the gates of Middenheim (someone check on that please) but at the last moments the gods left him to die, taking away all their blessings moments before he was going to break through and take the city

Not sure how that's relevant...

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Not sure how that's relevant...

We've been debating whether or not chaos is a greater threat

TiamatRoar wrote:

 Stonerhino wrote:
Tome of Fate[/i] basically says that Chaos hates the Necrons because they really can't affect them. Even stating that this is especially true for Tzeentch. Also they don't need a super united fleet because even in pieces it simply outclasses everyone else.

Neither of those address the context of the question. It's undoubtedly true that the Chaos gods can't corrupt the necrons from within, but battles from without can still be fought. And whether or not the necrons are corruptible (which they aren't) has nothing to do with whether or not Tzeentch can factor them into his plans.

And they do need a super united fleet if they want to pull something off like killing Abaddon. Yes, bits and pieces of their fleet can beat bigger bits and pieces of Abaddon's fleet, but bits and pieces of their fleet can't beat BIGGEST bits and pieces of Abaddon's fleet. Oherwise they would have just snapped their fingers and vaporized Abaddon during the Black Crusade. You have to remember the Necrons DID directly oppose Chaos... or, rather, some did, yet while having a substantial impact, it was hardly the "Chaos pwned Abaddon dead!" outcome that certain posters are posturing in this thread.

The way necron fans are screaming in this thread, you'd think the necrons could just wave a cryptek rod and suddenly the chaos gods are contained in a teeny little box and the necrons own the universe! And again, if they could do something like THAT, the necrons would have done that already (especially since there's already been a major conflict where they got involved. See: The 13th Black Crusade). So clearly there are either some restrictions or logistics that make it at the very best difficult (and at the worse, unfeasible) or something is being highly exaggerated here. Even the Maynark Dynasty's progress was bogged down once Chaos was involved (previously the chaos forces in the sector were just sitting by eating popcorn as the Imperium got pwned) so obviously the necrons, while powerful, aren't THAT ridiculously powerful to the "lolz, we could anhilate Abaddon like he was nothing but a goldfish turd!" point like some posters are touting in this thread.

"Have not done it yet" and "Can't do it" are two completely different things. There are many reason why Abadon did not run into a Necron fleet capable of destroying him. Plot armor being the biggest. You can't have Chaos' big bad getting easily slapped around like that.

look at the fleet matchup in AI12. The Necrons where outnumbered 4 to one. With smaller ships. But in two attack runs destroyed 90% of the Imperial fleet. Abaddon did not do that much damage to Gothic Sector's fleet in the entirety of the war. Then you have the World Engine taking on an entire Segmentum fleet backed up by several Space Marine strike forces.

The idea that the Necrons would need to unit their entire race's fleets to stand a chance against Abaddon is just crazy. The entire combined Necron fleet would steam roll the entire combined Human fleet. Yes IoM Navy + every pirate, Rogue Trader and Chaos Fleet combined.

Don't fool yourself. In a vaccum a "United" Necrons are far more of a threat then Chaos ever will be. And if you were to put the two against each other. The only chance Chaos would have is if the Gods themselves came into the Material World and fought. But then that would not be the first time the Necrons have had to fight "Gods". If the past is any indication. Then I would not put my money on the "Gods" this time either.

 Stonerhino wrote:

Don't fool yourself. In a vaccum a "United" Necrons are far more of a threat then Chaos ever will be. And if you were to put the two against each other. The only chance Chaos would have is if the Gods themselves came into the Material World and fought. But then that would not be the first time the Necrons have had to fight "Gods". If the past is any indication. Then I would not put my money on the "Gods" this time either.

The original point (or at least, the original question that suspected the point) was that they AREN'T united. People keep referring to "The Necron Fleet" in this thread and bringing up scenarios which assume the fleet's united. But it's not. Really, at the very least, pro-necron posters should have included a "If the necrons were united" disclaimer, but they don't seem inclined to do that.

Granted, if the necrons do fully wake-up and are fully united (and at least one special character, the Silent King, aims to do that), things could change. However, to achieve this goal, it's a race against time (to do so either before the full Tyranid force arrives, or before Abaddon's plan succeeds). Which is another disclaimer that pro-necron posters in this thread keep failing to bring up.

Yes, if the necrons all wake up and fully unite, they can beat everyone. But the Tyranids can beat everyone if the hive fleet arrives first. And Chaos can beat everyone if Abaddon's plans succeed first. The way most posters in this thread are posting though, they are completely ignoring those factors and acting as if a necron victory is not just completely guaranteed, but also an easy curb stomp battle. And it's NOT, until the necrons manage to fully unite and wake-up (which, again, is a race to do so before the Tyranids or Chaos succeed in their own plans)

The entire point of the newer fluff breaking up the "United Necron race". Was to give the other races a chance. Otherwise it is just a slow game over with the Necrons winning. Which is not a good thing.

While Chaos' big bad is Abaddon. Chaos is not united. The closest race we have to being fully united is the Tyranids and even they have fluff that suggests that they are a smaller threat then they appear. (Same as the Necron being ununited = hope, in game).

***And it does not change the fact that in a single engagement a single Dynasty destroyed more ships then Abaddon had in his own fleet (not the entire Chaos fleet) during the 13th Black Crusade. And that Dynasty's fleet was outnumbered 4 to 1.

The point of "The Necrons are not united" just falls flat because at this point in time they don't need to be. Hell they don't even need to all be awake and they are one of the biggest threats in the current setting.

Also just for information when most people say "Necron fleet" they are not refering to a united Necron fleet but instead just aspects of the spaceships used by Necrons in general. It would be the same as if one was to talk about the maneuverability of the "Eldar fleet". It has nothing to do with the Eldar having a fully united racial fleet.

 Stonerhino wrote:

The point of "The Necrons are not united" just falls flat because at this point in time they don't need to be. Hell they don't even need to all be awake and they are one of the biggest threats in the current setting.

This depends on where your goalposts are. If we're talking about the original post in regards to whether they're a threat at all or not, then yes, the necrons have more than enough to register on the threat radar right now.

If we're talking about the idea that the necrons could curbstomp Chaos even with just their current un-united fleet, however, which is what a lot of posters seem to be implying, no, they can't. That "4 to 1 odds" dynasty fleet (I assume you're talkinga bout hte Maynarkh dynasty?) might have did a good job of wtfpwning the Orpheus sector, but that doesn't change the fact that it's still just a sector and is now currently bogged down by Chaos, of all things, and not even Chaos' main 13th Black Crusade fleet. "Bogged down" does not mean "lose" or even "losing", but that doesn't change the fact that the idea that the necrons in their current form could easily destroy Abaddon when they were brought to a halt by a different chaos group shows that, no, they can't destroy Abaddon THAT easily.

Also, Chaos in general isn't particularly united but they ARE united once Abaddon gets things together (well, enough of them that the Imperium was forced to bring together its biggest mobilization since the Horus Heresy, at least). Which presumably he (and the gods, who declared they will back him up and will not let him die) would if a bunch of necrons moved to destroy him (which, again, is why I'm trying to refute they could right now because so many posters seem to enjoy implying the necrons could easily pull it off).

In their current state, the only chance the necrons have of killing Abaddon is if they catch him with his pants down. And Tzeentch isn't going to let that happen.

TiamatRoar wrote:

 Stonerhino wrote:

The point of "The Necrons are not united" just falls flat because at this point in time they don't need to be. Hell they don't even need to all be awake and they are one of the biggest threats in the current setting.

This depends on where your goalposts are. If we're talking about the original post in regards to whether they're a threat at all or not, then yes, the necrons have more than enough to register on the threat radar right now.

If we're talking about the idea that the necrons could curbstomp Chaos even with just their current un-united fleet, however, which is what a lot of posters seem to be implying, no, they can't. That "4 to 1 odds" dynasty fleet (I assume you're talkinga bout hte Maynarkh dynasty?) might have did a good job of wtfpwning the Orpheus sector, but that doesn't change the fact that it's still just a sector and is now currently bogged down by Chaos, of all things, and not even Chaos' main 13th Black Crusade fleet. "Bogged down" does not mean "lose" or even "losing", but that doesn't change the fact that the idea that the necrons in their current form could easily destroy Abaddon when they were brought to a halt by a different chaos group shows that, no, they can't destroy Abaddon THAT easily.

Also, Chaos in general isn't particularly united but they ARE united once Abaddon gets things together (well, enough of them that the Imperium was forced to bring together its biggest mobilization since the Horus Heresy, at least). Which presumably he (and the gods, who declared they will back him up and will not let him die) would if a bunch of necrons moved to destroy him (which, again, is why I'm trying to refute they could right now because so many posters seem to enjoy implying the necrons could easily pull it off).

In their current state, the only chance the necrons have of killing Abaddon is if they catch him with his pants down. And Tzeentch isn't going to let that happen.

Fair, fair point, but let's put it this way. The Triach was made to unite the necrons and thus far has done a lot- as well as that, Imotekh the Stormlord has legions of Immortals as his bodyguard. Truth is, is that they can and will unite to reverse the one thing they unites for... they all yearn to be mortal, and when the day comes, they will decide to do exactly that. Or Imotekh takes over. But NEVER presume the necrons won't unite, because they can and they will eventually. Necrons are entirely tactical with little emotion and will figure out one day they need to unite... and when that day comes, the necrons shall rule supreme.

 Sautekh_The_Silent_King wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:

 Stonerhino wrote:

The point of "The Necrons are not united" just falls flat because at this point in time they don't need to be. Hell they don't even need to all be awake and they are one of the biggest threats in the current setting.

This depends on where your goalposts are. If we're talking about the original post in regards to whether they're a threat at all or not, then yes, the necrons have more than enough to register on the threat radar right now.

If we're talking about the idea that the necrons could curbstomp Chaos even with just their current un-united fleet, however, which is what a lot of posters seem to be implying, no, they can't. That "4 to 1 odds" dynasty fleet (I assume you're talkinga bout hte Maynarkh dynasty?) might have did a good job of wtfpwning the Orpheus sector, but that doesn't change the fact that it's still just a sector and is now currently bogged down by Chaos, of all things, and not even Chaos' main 13th Black Crusade fleet. "Bogged down" does not mean "lose" or even "losing", but that doesn't change the fact that the idea that the necrons in their current form could easily destroy Abaddon when they were brought to a halt by a different chaos group shows that, no, they can't destroy Abaddon THAT easily.

Also, Chaos in general isn't particularly united but they ARE united once Abaddon gets things together (well, enough of them that the Imperium was forced to bring together its biggest mobilization since the Horus Heresy, at least). Which presumably he (and the gods, who declared they will back him up and will not let him die) would if a bunch of necrons moved to destroy him (which, again, is why I'm trying to refute they could right now because so many posters seem to enjoy implying the necrons could easily pull it off).

In their current state, the only chance the necrons have of killing Abaddon is if they catch him with his pants down. And Tzeentch isn't going to let that happen.

Fair, fair point, but let's put it this way. The Triach was made to unite the necrons and thus far has done a lot- as well as that, Imotekh the Stormlord has legions of Immortals as his bodyguard. Truth is, is that they can and will unite to reverse the one thing they unites for... they all yearn to be mortal, and when the day comes, they will decide to do exactly that. Or Imotekh takes over. But NEVER presume the necrons won't unite, because they can and they will eventually. Necrons are entirely tactical with little emotion and will figure out one day they need to unite... and when that day comes, the necrons shall rule supreme.

Except that most of the Overlords are vain megalomaniacs. Even if the Necrons were able to pull together to mount a massive assault on the forces of Chaos to deprive Chaos of its primary weapons (or later oppose the Tyranids), how long do you think it would be before someone starts backstabbing? The only hope they really have is to re-create the loyalty protocols and have the whole Necron race hardwired to serve a single authority again... and what are the odds of the various Overlords letting someone get away with that?

In many ways, the Necrons seem to suffer from the same long-term weakness as the Orks; a lack of lasting unity.

Well, I doubt the Silent King will re-create the protocols. He destroyed those things in the first place for a reason after all.

In terms of whether or not all the necrons will unite and awaken (they still have to fully awaken eveyrone, too, after all), I imagine it'll happen at the same time the Tyranids arrive and just as Abaddon's plan to envelop the galaxy in Warp starts taking motion. Why? Narrative reasons, of course. If the necrons unite, Abaddon's plan succeeds, or the Tyranids arrive all before the other two happen, that faction will curbstomp everyone else and we won't have a story anymore. So in order for any of the three occurrences to happen, they all have to happen at around the same time.

At the same time, the Primarchs will awaken and Grazgkull will unite the orks. Thus status quo is maintained! Except on a grander level.

Eldar and Tau would probably help the Imperium (or hide behind them) if that ever happens while Dark Eldar just operate as normal.

....any of those cases happening would require GW advancing the storyline, though-_-

I do think fully awakened and united Necrons would beat the full Tyrannid force, personally. However, I'd also give that lower odds of happening in the first place because we aren't even sure how many tomb worlds are in working condition right now. For narrative reasons, odds are most, but not all, necrons will be awakened by the time the tyranids arrive (and Abaddon's plan wouldn't have finished yet because once his plan finishes, it's pretty much game over for everyone else. However, it will have progressed far enough tha big chunks of the galaxy are covered in warp that the necrons can't touch, as well as home to daemons that could fight the necron forces).

TiamatRoar wrote:

 Stonerhino wrote:

The point of "The Necrons are not united" just falls flat because at this point in time they don't need to be. Hell they don't even need to all be awake and they are one of the biggest threats in the current setting.

This depends on where your goalposts are. If we're talking about the original post in regards to whether they're a threat at all or not, then yes, the necrons have more than enough to register on the threat radar right now.

If we're talking about the idea that the necrons could curbstomp Chaos even with just their current un-united fleet, however, which is what a lot of posters seem to be implying, no, they can't. That "4 to 1 odds" dynasty fleet (I assume you're talkinga bout hte Maynarkh dynasty?) might have did a good job of wtfpwning the Orpheus sector, but that doesn't change the fact that it's still just a sector and is now currently bogged down by Chaos, of all things, and not even Chaos' main 13th Black Crusade fleet. "Bogged down" does not mean "lose" or even "losing", but that doesn't change the fact that the idea that the necrons in their current form could easily destroy Abaddon when they were brought to a halt by a different chaos group shows that, no, they can't destroy Abaddon THAT easily.

The navel forces that the Orpheus sector had vs the Maynarkh's fleet was equal if not greater then the "The Grand Fleet of Abaddon the Despoiler" during the 13th Black Crusade. As listed in codex Eye of Terror. And Orpheus lost 90% of that fleet in a relatively short engagement. So all the Necrons would need to destroy Abaddon is to find his fleet with him leading it. That and not have Abaddon run with his tail between his legs. But to be realistic that will never happen because GW will never have a fight like that happen.

TiamatRoar wrote:
Also, Chaos in general isn't particularly united but they ARE united once Abaddon gets things together (well, enough of them that the Imperium was forced to bring together its biggest mobilization since the Horus Heresy, at least). Which presumably he (and the gods, who declared they will back him up and will not let him die) would if a bunch of necrons moved to destroy him (which, again, is why I'm trying to refute they could right now because so many posters seem to enjoy implying the necrons could easily pull it off).

In their current state, the only chance the necrons have of killing Abaddon is if they catch him with his pants down. And Tzeentch isn't going to let that happen.

The only chance the Necrons have of killing Abaddon is to catch him with his plot armor in the cleaners. Because the Necrons have been shown and even in their un-united state to have all the tools needed to get that job done.