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So again, according to the FAQ, unless specified, suffering a Damage Effect doesn't also take a hull point. Grav weaponry specifically states a vehicle is Immobilized and suffers a Hull Point lost. If the Immbolizing cause a hull point loss in and of itself, wouldn't be an additional hull point? so why doesn't the rule read "additional hull point"? because each grav hit only causes one HP loss.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
So again, according to the FAQ, unless specified, suffering a Damage Effect doesn't also take a hull point. Grav weaponry specifically states a vehicle is Immobilized and suffers a Hull Point lost. If the Immbolizing cause a hull point loss in and of itself, wouldn't be an additional hull point? so why doesn't the rule read "additional hull point"? because each grav hit only causes one HP loss.

The additional HP loss comes from the second (and third and onwards) Immob, not the grav shot itself. The FAQ just distiguishes between effects and effects with HP loss.

Simply put;

A mobile vehicle will only take a single HP loss and immob from a grav shot. (1HP)

A vehicle that is already immob'd (even if it was from the previous shot from the same firing unit) will take a single HP loss and an additional HP loss from the additional immob caused by grav. (2 HPs)

 Bausk wrote:
or say even failing a DT test, no hull point is lost so it doesn't apply.

Just thought I should point out, from the official BRB FAQ:

Page 71
– Vehicles, Difficult and Dangerous Terrain.
Change the final sentence to “A vehicle that fails a Dangerous
Terrain test immediately suffers an Immobilised result from
the Vehicle Damage table, including losing one Hull Point”.

 grendel083 wrote:

 Bausk wrote:
or say even failing a DT test, no hull point is lost so it doesn't apply.

Just thought I should point out, from the official BRB FAQ:

Page 71
– Vehicles, Difficult and Dangerous Terrain.
Change the final sentence to “A vehicle that fails a Dangerous
Terrain test immediately suffers an Immobilised result from
the Vehicle Damage table, including losing one Hull Point”.

Well there you go, add DT to the list too.

that is how i would allow people to do it as a second immobilised result takes away another HP so since a 6 is an immobilised result +1HP that means a second six would get 2 HP

 Bausk wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
How does the FAQ referring to pg 74 even come close to saying sufdering the effect of Immobilzation causes a hull point loss? I am on a Kindle, so I can't coopy and paste, but is specifically says it does not take off a hull point unless otherwise specified. So one grav hit = Immobilized and a total of one hull point lost.

Because Grav specifies a hull point is lost, it applies. In the case of the drop pod or say even failing a DT test, no hull point is lost so it doesn't apply.

I think this is wrong. The '2nd' hull point loss has nothing to do with gravitation causing a hull point loss. The FAQ tells us that a vehicle only looses a hull point if "it specifically suffers a Glancing or Penetrating hit, or some other effect that specifies that a Hull Point is lost." Its the 'some other effect' part that is important here. 'Immobilised' from pg74 is some other effect that specifies a hull point is lost if the effect is applied to an already immobilized vehicle.

Immobilizing and already immobilized vehicle will always cause one more hull point then normal to be lost, even if what is normally lost is zero hull points.

Drop Pods do not loose a hull point when they land becouse they did not suffer a Glancing or Penetrating hit nor were they already immobilized when the immobilized effect is applied to them.


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 grendel083 wrote:

Page 71
– Vehicles, Difficult and Dangerous Terrain.
Change the final sentence to “A vehicle that fails a Dangerous
Terrain test immediately suffers an Immobilised result from
the Vehicle Damage table, including losing one Hull Point”.

Now I am a bit confused, Why would they ever loose a hull point for failing a DT test? They did not suffer a glancing or penetrating hit, nor were they immobilized before failing the test (because to take the test you have to move) and just being immobilized for the 1st time does not specify a hull point loss. This errata seems to be directly in contradiction with the FAQ unless you can be required to take two simultaneous DT tests or an immobilized vehicle can attempt to move through broken terrain.

Kangodo wrote:

 Lutharr101 wrote:
Did I say it was offical? But thanks for stopping by just to make a useless addition to the thread.
They do confirm stuff thats in the errata. But I guess they aint trying to squeeze out stuff for an advantage just because of the way the rules are written. 4.19 they explain it.

His post is not nearly as useless as a 'confirmation by two random guys who know nothing about the rules'.

Squeeze out stuff for advantage?
So if I demand that my Boltgun fires two shots at 12", that is squeezing out advantage?
When I want my Jump Packs to move 12", that is squeezing out for advantage?
No, that is following the rules as they are! Just like this.

We're not attacking you because you want to deny your opponent stuff they are clearly allowed.
So please don't attack other people on this forum.

try reading what i put. I very clearly put APPRANTLY, but that escapes notice cos folks wanna do the whole internet douche thing. I posted it as i assumed they had read it properly and were trying to help the community. If someone wants to correct that then feel free to do so. But just posting a smart arse reply aint even trying to help its just someone being a prat.

You know that the post states "edited 1 time", and that the "apprantly" was not originally in the post...

 d-usa wrote:
You know that the post states "edited 1 time", and that the "apprantly" was not originally in the post...

it was edited 4 minutes before any one replied to it. I also don't know how you could tell what content was changed as part of the edit.

 d-usa wrote:
You know that the post states "edited 1 time", and that the "apprantly" was not originally in the post...

Actually as someone else noted it was edited before anyone else even responded so nice try.

And the edited part was me adding the rough time they made the statement so people could fast forward to the relevant part.

 DJGietzen wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:

Page 71
– Vehicles, Difficult and Dangerous Terrain.
Change the final sentence to “A vehicle that fails a Dangerous
Terrain test immediately suffers an Immobilised result from
the Vehicle Damage table, including losing one Hull Point”.

Now I am a bit confused, Why would they ever loose a hull point for failing a DT test? They did not suffer a glancing or penetrating hit, nor were they immobilized before failing the test (because to take the test you have to move) and just being immobilized for the 1st time does not specify a hull point loss. This errata seems to be directly in contradiction with the FAQ unless you can be required to take two simultaneous DT tests or an immobilized vehicle can attempt to move through broken terrain.

There are two rules.
1) Failed Dangerous Terrain causes Immobilisation and 1 HP lost.
Because of this people were claiming that Drop Pods automatically loss 1 HP upon arrival, since the errata effectively said that damage results cause lost hull points. That is when GW released the following:
2) If a vehicle suffers a damage result it does not lose a HP unless the special rule specifically says it does.
Due to this you would still lose a HP from dangerous terrain (it specifies you do), but not from drop pods being immobile.
Graviton weapons specify Immobilise and 1 HP lost. Therefore, there can be no argument that you do not lose a HP. Immobilisation also specifies you lose 1 HP if already immobilised. Again, there is the specification that you lose a HP.

It's pretty clear that there isn't any valid point to cancel out the additional hull point loss from the second imobilized result in the rulebook.

 Happyjew wrote:

 DJGietzen wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:

Page 71
– Vehicles, Difficult and Dangerous Terrain.
Change the final sentence to “A vehicle that fails a Dangerous
Terrain test immediately suffers an Immobilised result from
the Vehicle Damage table, including losing one Hull Point”.

Now I am a bit confused, Why would they ever loose a hull point for failing a DT test? They did not suffer a glancing or penetrating hit, nor were they immobilized before failing the test (because to take the test you have to move) and just being immobilized for the 1st time does not specify a hull point loss. This errata seems to be directly in contradiction with the FAQ unless you can be required to take two simultaneous DT tests or an immobilized vehicle can attempt to move through broken terrain.

There are two rules.
1) Failed Dangerous Terrain causes Immobilisation and 1 HP lost.
Because of this people were claiming that Drop Pods automatically loss 1 HP upon arrival, since the errata effectively said that damage results cause lost hull points. That is when GW released the following:
2) If a vehicle suffers a damage result it does not lose a HP unless the special rule specifically says it does.
Due to this you would still lose a HP from dangerous terrain (it specifies you do), but not from drop pods being immobile.
Graviton weapons specify Immobilise and 1 HP lost. Therefore, there can be no argument that you do not lose a HP. Immobilisation also specifies you lose 1 HP if already immobilised. Again, there is the specification that you lose a HP.

Where in the Book/Errata is the 1st one?

“A vehicle that fails a Dangerous Terrain test immediately suffers an Immobilised result from the Vehicle Damage table, including losing one Hull Point”

They way they worded this does not mean a failed Dangerous Terrain causes Immobilisation and 1 HP lost.. It means it causes Immobilisation and that Immobilisation includes loosing a hull point. Very odd.