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I think the psychic powers and his advantage in terms of experience are both too huge a deficit to overcome.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
I think the psychic powers and his advantage in terms of experience are both too huge a deficit to overcome.

I wouldn't say "too huge a deficit to overcome." Rather, IMO it makes it a fair fight. Otherwise, I'd say that I have the advantage.

Oh and Jy2 dial-up doesn't really exist anymore you don't have to warn people about pictures anymore.

We should probably stop distracting jim from the batrep. Poor guy is writing this mammoth post with several batreps and we sidetrack him on points-costs for DE lol

jathomas2013 wrote:
We should probably stop distracting jim from the batrep. Poor guy is writing this mammoth post with several batreps and we sidetrack him on points-costs for DE lol

Thank you! This next game is going to be very interesting. For some reason I have a bad feeling its going to be the game that ends Jim's tournament hopes. Not doubting his skill at all, just a weird feeling I have.

 Commander_Farsight wrote:

jathomas2013 wrote:
We should probably stop distracting jim from the batrep. Poor guy is writing this mammoth post with several batreps and we sidetrack him on points-costs for DE lol

Thank you! This next game is going to be very interesting. For some reason I have a bad feeling its going to be the game that ends Jim's tournament hopes. Not doubting his skill at all, just a weird feeling I have.

Well his tone changed in this Batrep, you may be right.

DirtyDeeds wrote:

 Commander_Farsight wrote:

jathomas2013 wrote:
We should probably stop distracting jim from the batrep. Poor guy is writing this mammoth post with several batreps and we sidetrack him on points-costs for DE lol

Thank you! This next game is going to be very interesting. For some reason I have a bad feeling its going to be the game that ends Jim's tournament hopes. Not doubting his skill at all, just a weird feeling I have.

Well his tone changed in this Batrep, you may be right.

Hmm. I didn't notice it the first time, but now I see what you're talking about.

 herpguy wrote:
Oh and Jy2 dial-up doesn't really exist anymore you don't have to warn people about pictures anymore.

The warning is nice for those of us reading the thread on our phones :p

Game #4 to be concluded tomorrow.

 herpguy wrote:
Oh and Jy2 dial-up doesn't really exist anymore you don't have to warn people about pictures anymore.

Cell phones are the new "dialup".

Passing both mindshackle tests in a turn shouldn't be allowed eh?

 jy2 wrote:

Necrons:

Ok, necrons is more in my area of expertise. This is how I feel some of the current Necron units should be:


Minshackle Scarabs - 25-pts

Really? A piece of wargear that dominates all challenges and MCs at least 50% of the time (and frequently more, with lower Ld targets), with no downside, and allows the nercon warlord to engage and defeat enemies that cost substantially more than it should only cost 25 points? Personally, I think this is the worst piece of equipment in the game, in terms design, at the moment, and should be removed (at best) or made to cost substantially more than 25 points (at worst). Any item that makes winning/losing an engagement come down to a flip of a coin is poor game design.

Also, they need some type of anti-psyker wargear.

Them, and Tau and Orks and Dark Eldar, and half of the game...

 Shandara wrote:
Passing both mindshackle tests in a turn shouldn't be allowed eh?

That's right. They should have a law against that.

 Redbeard wrote:

 jy2 wrote:

Necrons:

Ok, necrons is more in my area of expertise. This is how I feel some of the current Necron units should be:


Minshackle Scarabs - 25-pts

Really? A piece of wargear that dominates all challenges and MCs at least 50% of the time (and frequently more, with lower Ld targets), with no downside, and allows the nercon warlord to engage and defeat enemies that cost substantially more than it should only cost 25 points? Personally, I think this is the worst piece of equipment in the game, in terms design, at the moment, and should be removed (at best) or made to cost substantially more than 25 points (at worst). Any item that makes winning/losing an engagement come down to a flip of a coin is poor game design.

I understand that opinions will differ on this. I look at it from the perspective that while it is good against buffed-up characters, it is a waste on models like ork boys, gants, infantry guardsmen, fire warriors, zombies/cultists and even normal marines.

In any case, I have a feeling that it will get scrapped altogether in the next edition. GW has a tendency to do that with anything that people feel are too good, like the Lash Prince, the old Runes of Warding, S10 railguns, auto-Fortune, Doom of Ma'lantai, etc.

Also, they need some type of anti-psyker wargear.

Them, and Tau and Orks and Dark Eldar, and half of the game...

I believe orks will probably have something like it next edition. DE and Tau have it (Lady Malys, the Talisman of Moloch or whatever-it's-called). Moreover, they can both ally in farseers, which is actually quite common in many Tau and DE builds.

 jy2 wrote:

I understand that opinions will differ on this. I look at it from the perspective that while it is good against buffed-up characters, it is a waste on models like ork boys, gants, infantry guardsmen, fire warriors, zombies/cultists and even normal marines.

All examples of models that you don't need it to beat. A destroyer lord is not even remotely threatened by any of the models you mention here. Combat effectiveness of predominantly combat-oriented models should be based on their cost. You pay 150 points for a destroyer lord, you should expect to beat a 30 point guard officer. But you should also expect to lose to a 250 point bloodthirster. Instead MSS give you a better than 50% chance of beating it. That's just wrong.

In any case, I have a feeling that it will get scrapped altogether in the next edition. GW has a tendency to do that with anything that people feel are too good, like the Lash Prince, the old Runes of Warding, S10 railguns, auto-Fortune, Doom of Ma'lantai, etc.

We can only hope.

On anti-psyker stuff wrote:
I believe orks will probably have something like it next edition. DE and Tau have it (Lady Malys, the Talisman of Moloch or whatever-it's-called). Moreover, they can both ally in farseers, which is actually quite common in many Tau and DE builds.

Tau don't have it, Farsight has it, and gives up other things to get it. Lady Malys? I can count on no hands how often I've seen her in a game... And both of these suffer from the same problem as psychic hoods do; they only affect psychic stuff targeted at your unit, not the real psychic threats, which are mostly buffs. At least the rumours for the new 7th seem to suggest they'll be adding a 'psychic phase', which means, hopefully, all races will get some innate anti-psychic ability, much like the chance to dispel anything in fantasy. Having "Deny the Witch" and tweaks to it as the only real anti-psych in the game is horrible design when the most powerful spells are buffs that can't be denied.

Game #5 completed (on p. 6).

Necrons do have anti psycher, it's called the gloom prism

I think it's safe to say MSS will be a VERY expensive relic if it does manage to stick around, though I doubt it does.

Back on topic, Tigurius has the ability to re-roll reserves, so he doesn't even need scriers gaze. Tiggy is one of the best characters in print right now.

I think it's funny that he didn't use his orbital bombardments at all. He easily could have split the unit last turn and nabbed the remaining barges. He obviously didn't need to though.

Rough game J

Oh well - you lost to one of the top players in the country so no shame.

So lucky with the res rolls, it's like you get 3 warlords for the price of one!

Disappointed for you here Jy2, that centurion star looked terrifying. Despite the loss, I've loved reading this tournament series. If it's any consolation, I've learnt so much from your reports over the years I've even started winning with my Nids! Look forward to seeing more of your reports and hopefully the next tournament will see you in the finals.

All examples of models that you don't need it to beat. A destroyer lord is not even remotely threatened by any of the models you mention here. Combat effectiveness of predominantly combat-oriented models should be based on their cost. You pay 150 points for a destroyer lord, you should expect to beat a 30 point guard officer. But you should also expect to lose to a 250 point bloodthirster. Instead MSS give you a better than 50% chance of beating it. That's just wrong.

This is exactly how I feel about MSS. When I played Necrons I never felt good when my destroyer lord completely punked out a 200+ point MC with utter ease. For lack of a better description, it just felt wrong.




Wow tough game Jy2. Centurions are just extremely durable. Plus he had 4 ICs piled in there. I know I'm being captain hindsight but I didn't get why you didn't charge forward and shoot them with your barges, because it probably would have been a plus to you if they shot a barge instead of the wraiths. However you mentioned that too so whatevs. Awesome tournament man and thanks again for the best batreps on here.

Hey JY, in your game against Tim, did the Jump Pack Chapter Master never take a wound from his own Thunderhammer from the Mindshackle Scarabs? If he did why didn't he die from Instant Death?

 MikhailLenin wrote:
Hey JY, in your game against Tim, did the Jump Pack Chapter Master never take a wound from his own Thunderhammer from the Mindshackle Scarabs? If he did why didn't he die from Instant Death?

Shield eternal.

He had it set up so it was literally impossible for his CM's to ID themselves.

 MikhailLenin wrote:
Hey JY, in your game against Tim, did the Jump Pack Chapter Master never take a wound from his own Thunderhammer from the Mindshackle Scarabs? If he did why didn't he die from Instant Death?

Relic gives eternal warrior. Never leave home without it!!!


If the current trend of only two sources sticks on the tourney scene.. lists like this become a lot less of an issue. You can still do tig and a cent star but you have to pick and choose what you want to go with them. Can't get all the candy... just a couple of pieces. I'm sure some other list will evolve to take its place... but that is the nature of the game.

 Red Corsair wrote:

Shield eternal.

He had it set up so it was literally impossible for his CM's to ID themselves.

Roci wrote:
Relic gives eternal warrior. Never leave home without it!!!


If the current trend of only two sources sticks on the tourney scene.. lists like this become a lot less of an issue. You can still do tig and a cent star but you have to pick and choose what you want to go with them. Can't get all the candy... just a couple of pieces. I'm sure some other list will evolve to take its place... but that is the nature of the game.

Hmm thought he had it on the Bike nvm,

Jy - Rob Tilly here,

For my first time at Adepticon as well I think it was an absolute blast. When you make it out to the EC or maybe the ATC we will have to get in our game

Glad to have met you bud.

Well Jim you had three solid wins in the beginning and then terrible luck on the last game. Your opponent rolled really good psychic powers which contributed to the majority of your defeat. Seems like you keep falling one game shy every tourney of reaching the final 16. I think it is time you switched back to your Nids.

 Red Corsair wrote:
Back on topic, Tigurius has the ability to re-roll reserves, so he doesn't even need scriers gaze.

Only from his own detachment, though.

Considering how significant psychic abilities wound up being in the matchup, do you think running Spyder-Star as opposed to dual Wraith-star could have been a better meta call?

Tactical error in holding the barges back on the first round. Your Wraiths are target priority over the barges for him so there was no need to stick them back at 31". You may have forced an extra wound or two there.