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There's always something huh heartserenade? I got into music in my teens; first guitar, then bass, then drums, then recording and production. I now have a wee music studio that has a bigger insurance policy on it than my house does... You think miniatures are expensive? Try pricing up some decent microphones and preamps!

I started in 2nd edition, but didn't start playing heavily until 3rd. I played a lot of 4th and quit when 5th edition CSM codex came out. I have looked at restarting each time a new edition of 40K or a new CSM codex is published, but as of now the army is still sitting on the shelf.

I played a bit of 6th edition(?) Fantasy and have quit that as well and would like to sell my army.

I am currently playing MtG most heavily and have a good play group. I still throw some money to Privateer Press as well for Warmachine/Hordes, even though I don't play.

 heartserenade wrote:
Do non-wargaming stuff count? Because now i'm spending things on other hobbies that are used to be reserved for 40k, since I don't need to spend much on the other wargames. Nowadays I'm taking up archery and boxing so my hobby money now goes to making my bow more expensive.

To this end, I've saved some money by playing rugby...

However, more in line with this topic, while I left the GW games, and picked up some others (as mentioned in my previous posts), but I've also spent GW levels of money on 1:48 scale military aircraft, 1:24 scale automobiles and the like (does that count, your Royal Modded Highnesses?)

Only if you mounted guns on them.

I dropped GW in 2005, mostly due to the 'this thing in the game doesn't exist any more' policies. Price and White Dwarf being terrible helped. I moved onto Confrontation (then dropped it again when the plastics happened), Flames of War and Warmachine.

I'm currently selling off bits of my final 40k army (a once 10,000+ point Imperial Guard army) to pay for new gaming projects. I'll keep my Squats and my converted carapace armoured Imperial Guard for sentimental reasons but every thing else will eventually go.

 FeindusMaximus wrote:
Started in 5th ed when the Black reach starter was on $50. Played plenty of games at home, LGS and tournies.
6th comes around and I keep playing, but rules + WAACCAH = no fun.
7th come out 22 months later, I read the rules and "DEEP SIX" them.

Playing Dropzone commander now . If you want a game with a solid no swiss cheese holes in it to exploit = try dropzone commander (DzC). Plus hawk wargames has great online support for the game.

same here dropzone is ace

For a lot of local folks it looks like Deadzone is taking over for WH40K.

But my local group plays on a night when I am not available, damn them.

The Auld Grump

I'm thinking of trying games other than WH40k but I don't want to invest in a whole new bunch of supplies and terrain if I get into it. What games could I play using my modelling supplies and terrain I have for WH40K?

I was thinking Warmahorde, but I like the more military structure of WH40K. Also being more affordable is a huge plus.

 robam45 wrote:

I was thinking Warmahorde, but I like the more military structure of WH40K. Also being more affordable is a huge plus.

This is somewhat silly, as yes, Warmahords models are more expensive per model... BUT!!!!!!! you need fewer models to play Warmachine/Hordes.



As to other games to play that can use 40k terrain: Infinity, Malifaux, Helldorado, I believe Dropzone commander is the right scale.... Basically, you're looking for anything that is roughly 28mm scale (Malifaux is more like 32mm, but it's not "heroic" scale, so they are more appropriately proportioned, thus they are roughly the same size as other 28mm models)

FWIW I still play Warmahordes, I've also explored Bolt Action, and decided to kick up some historical Ancients using I'm not sure what rules yet :p with my brother for at home only games.

I still am tempted by 40k, I really am. Just I'm not sure why. It's actually a very weird thing. I constantly think of trying 40k again (since like December), but I never quite cross that threshold to bother; I think it's either because I look at what I'd have to spend to get a viable army, or because I see how the rules appear to work, and lately it's because I have other games I am playing or want to play and don't have a lot of disposable income so I don't want to be paying for 2+ expensive games.


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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 robam45 wrote:

I was thinking Warmahorde, but I like the more military structure of WH40K. Also being more affordable is a huge plus.

This is somewhat silly, as yes, Warmahords models are more expensive per model... BUT!!!!!!! you need fewer models to play Warmachine/Hordes.

The idea that 40k is more affordable than Warmahordes is a complete joke. The prices run about the same, but things mean a lot more in Warmahordes: A unit can change your entire gameplay or add new tactical opportunities while in 40k it tends to just be something to soak wounds. Also, it feels like you get more value out of Warmahordes as you typically only buy one of a unit, so you don't feel cheated by having to buy two or more of the same kind of unit. There is also the fact that you can get started much cheaper in Warmahordes so you can attract new players and have them slowly build up forces than expecting them to fork over a couple of hundred bucks to play a real game.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Also my love of fishkeeping is calling me back in a big way and I'm attempting to secure a 180gallon tank 2nd hand atm, which will be all sorts of money sink unto it's self, at least initially.

Try not to burn your house down.

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
Despite the fact that I think a lot of the criticism of GW on the forums is unjustified

No, no, no. You don't get to just say that and then leave it hanging. If you've got reasons for why you disagree with "a lot of the criticism of GW", then please go through and tell everyone what they are.

 robam45 wrote:
I'm thinking of trying games other than WH40k but I don't want to invest in a whole new bunch of supplies and terrain if I get into it. What games could I play using my modelling supplies and terrain I have for WH40K?

I was thinking Warmahorde, but I like the more military structure of WH40K. Also being more affordable is a huge plus.

A lot of terrain is pretty generic. A hill is a hill is a hill.

A neo-gothic cathedral encrusted with skulls looks pretty 40K specific but it still works as a building if you don't need specifically themed terrain. I mean, you wouldn't be going too far wrong to use 40K terrain for say the ruins of European cities at the end of WW2. It would look a bit ridiculous for an Ancient Greek set up though.

Paints and so on work with any models so don't worry about them.

If you get something like the Dropzone Commander starter set, you get some terrain with it:
- 2x Urban Streets Posters, will join together in 4 different ways to create a 48”x33” road layout
- Both posters feature stunning artwork on the reverse face!
- 10 x Pre-cut, pre-folded card buildings in 10 different designs

So while you cannot use your terrain with it as such, you do get some new stuff to use with it anyway ; )

Yep, Warmahordes can be pretty expensive. Unless you sell/trade all your 40k for multiple lists like I have. Then it's no cost but sunk cost!

But yes, some models are stupid costly in the game. However, as explained previously, the value proposition is much better overall.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:



I believe Dropzone commander is the right scale....

Dropzone Commander is 10mm so realistically only 28mm scaled hills and possibly water features would be usable. It is easy to get terrain for DZC though due to the starter set.

Fantasy Flights X Wing has me hooked. It's a propper beer n pretzel game with little admin needed. I find the fact that the minis are prepainted helps me out too, just throw down a board and get at it. I have become tired and bored of GWs fiddling at the edges of rule sets, reducing their playability and making unbalanced (I win) games.

Saying that, I'm feeling some more FW love recently.

I started in 2nd edition 40k and played avidly through 3rd, only played one or two games of fourth edition. I finally bought he rules for sixth last year not even looking at seventh. I really began playing fantasy before all of 40k as a friends father brought it back from England and would run campaigns. At one point I've had every army out their in both ranges and every gang in necromunda as well as most of the common bloodbowl armies.

I left due to the rules getting stupid, models getting overpriced but most importantly because it wasn't fun anymore. The new meta of each rulebook coming out and hosing every other army out there was frustrating. Mono build armies, and overly competitive people ruining a fun beer and pretzels game.

I've moved on to x-wing, Kings of War, and recently bought deadzone . They are just fun quick games that I can get into and not spend a ton on them. Plus the rules are easier, and my kids are getting old enough to learn and play the game too.

Wish i could get back even a fraction of what I've bought from GW over the years

 robam45 wrote:
I'm thinking of trying games other than WH40k but I don't want to invest in a whole new bunch of supplies and terrain if I get into it. What games could I play using my modelling supplies and terrain I have for WH40K?

And your current minis?

Warpath
Victory Decision: Future Combat
Stargrunt
5150

etc.

 Theophony wrote:

I left due to the rules getting stupid, models getting overpriced but most importantly because it wasn't fun anymore. The new meta of each rulebook coming out and hosing every other army out there was frustrating. Mono build armies, and overly competitive people ruining a fun beer and pretzels game.

Well, there's the train of thought, wot I tentatively subscribe to, that the rules and mechanics of GW's two core games are tailored to their target market. I.e. 12-14-year-olds. Success in the game largely boils down to memorising or referring to loads of special rules and tables, and pre-game strategy in the form of listbuilding (and paying to win?); so that in-game you can just wind up yer space marines and watch 'em go, with tactical on-the-fly decisions mostly reduced to just where to move to get your guns in range or get out of range of their guns. ('forward', 'back' and 'behind that wall') Add the grimdark, superpowered heroes 'n' monsters settings and it all apparently appeals to younger minds, which makes sense, and I know it all once did to me.

Which is fine, and also fine if playing with beer 'n' pretzels without too much taxing thought in-game; but if you're fed up with the rules and meta, and moving to less granular, more tactical offerings like X-Wing and KoW, it seems like a natural progression.

Me, I'm lucky if I get more than one game a month, if that, so for me gaming is more an 'event' than casual 'beer 'n' pretzels'. I don't want to waste it on rules I've left behind almost as far as I've left snakes 'n' ladders or top trumps.

 Palindrome wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:



I believe Dropzone commander is the right scale....

Dropzone Commander is 10mm so realistically only 28mm scaled hills and possibly water features would be usable. It is easy to get terrain for DZC though due to the starter set.

Just remembered it was Dust Tactics I was thinking of

I left for a while to play warmachine but quickly came back after I discovered PP Models deffinatly arnt as nice as GW....

 Yonan wrote:
If you get something like the Dropzone Commander starter set, you get some terrain with it:
- 2x Urban Streets Posters, will join together in 4 different ways to create a 48”x33” road layout
- Both posters feature stunning artwork on the reverse face!
- 10 x Pre-cut, pre-folded card buildings in 10 different designs

So while you cannot use your terrain with it as such, you do get some new stuff to use with it anyway ; )

It's worth mentioning Infinity will be following this route as well. The 2 player starter they've been slowly teasing will contain the same foldable terrain and game mats.

Vermis wrote:

 robam45 wrote:
I'm thinking of trying games other than WH40k but I don't want to invest in a whole new bunch of supplies and terrain if I get into it. What games could I play using my modelling supplies and terrain I have for WH40K?

And your current minis?

Warpath
Victory Decision: Future Combat
Stargrunt
5150
etc.

We have a number of members of the club that use 40k miniatures and terrain in games other than 40k.

Warpath is a great one. If you want to play really big battles (3000 points plus) in a reasonable amount of time, search for the warpath 1.0 rules. It's basically Kings of War in space, but they have rules that correspond to most 40k armies.

Another rulest worth checking out if you already have 40k is In The Emperor's Name. It's a free small skirmish ruleset in the 40k universe complete with army lists and a campaign system. Stick to the 2nd edition though as the 3rd isn't quite ready for primetime.
http://thegamesshed.wordpress.com/2011/07/02/in-the-emperors-name/
Other games that our club has used 40k figures with include…

Blasters and Bulkheads. This is a platoon level game using the same "Goal System" game mechanics as Supersystem.
http://www.wargamedownloads.com/item.php?item=1193&pics=2

Tomorrow's War. A very gritty and realistic take on future combat. VERY different from 40k with a reaction system that is deep, but not as comprehensive as 5150.

 -Loki- wrote:

 Yonan wrote:
If you get something like the Dropzone Commander starter set, you get some terrain with it:
- 2x Urban Streets Posters, will join together in 4 different ways to create a 48”x33” road layout
- Both posters feature stunning artwork on the reverse face!
- 10 x Pre-cut, pre-folded card buildings in 10 different designs

So while you cannot use your terrain with it as such, you do get some new stuff to use with it anyway ; )

It's worth mentioning Infinity will be following this route as well. The 2 player starter they've been slowly teasing will contain the same foldable terrain and game mats.

Never miss any opportunity to miss this new forthcoming starter set!

Haven't been that excited for a boxset in years..

Everyone here has pretty much given up on 40k - the scene is pretty much dead in all the clubs. The vast majority just find it unplayable, and we just do not have the time to homebrew rules and patches for the broken ruleset.
Even just for fun, 'beer and pretzels' type games it doesn't work anymore and is just frustrating. I think the consensus is "Why bother investing so much time into the broken system when so many other games are out there that are cheaper, less time consuming and with infinitely better rulesets?" All 40k seems to really have now is the fluff - which is vast and fantastic - which I think is why Dark Heresy is becoming popular.

It's sad really as almost everyone got into gaming through 40k/WHFB, so seeing the sorry state of the game now is frustrating for everyone.

As for games I have gotten into now: The new 2nd edition ruleset for Dystopian Wars is a massive improvement on the 1st, and so far I am absolutely loving it. The new wave models coming out by Spartan Games are fantastic. It's cheap to get into (you don't need much scenary at all with naval and aerial games, just a few iceburgs on a blue mat suffice) and storage space is never an issue, as this is an epic scale game.

Malifaux; Easier ruleset than DW, games are quicker, again the storage spoace required is minimal. And you don't have to spend months painting an army. The background is cool too, the mix of Horror, Wild West and Steampunk is infectious and addictive, and is represented in the models and ascetic very well. It also has a great sense of humour in the game, especially with the Gremlins faction. Moonshine drinking, pig catapulting hillbillys. Then you have Zombie hookers, killer teddy bears and giant gorillas wandering around causing chaos...What's not to like? lol

I honestly think from people i've spoken to at FLGS here that the main sticking point of 40k is how much time it takes up, just getting an army together and painting it all can take forever, especially if you go IG or Orks...I think with older people (late 20's 30's) this becomes much more of an issue, as obviously you have more commitments as you get older and perhaps less time to dedicate to gaming.

I think it might be a case of changing demeographics (an ageing fanbase) more than anything, and GW are just not adapting to that, or perhaps simply cannot adapt to it.

FH

 FifteenHours wrote:
Everyone here has pretty much given up on 40k - the scene is pretty much dead in all the clubs. The vast majority just find it unplayable, and we just do not have the time to homebrew rules and patches for the broken ruleset.
Even just for fun, 'beer and pretzels' type games it doesn't work anymore and is just frustrating. I think the consensus is "Why bother investing so much time into the broken system when so many other games are out there that are cheaper, less time consuming and with infinitely better rulesets?" All 40k seems to really have now is the fluff - which is vast and fantastic - which I think is why Dark Heresy is becoming popular.

100% my view on this. I and a friend spend more time discussing lore and imagining the universe than actually playing a game (which is pretty significant as I haven't seen a 1.5k game be completed in under three hours for about 5 years, including numerous T3 tables). We do, however occasionally use the 6e ruleset to create a mission (usually a kill-team variant), ignore as much BS from the book as possible, and just enjoy some bloodshed from two painted armies. Any purchases we make for GW products comes from ebay.

Dolls, terrifying little dolls!
Once upon a time they were second of the two hobbies I had, but now, since I largely dropped off from playing warhammer (I've not touched 40k since, well the day before 6th came out is the last time I played)
I've dabbled in fantasy but any mini's I get aren't GW.

So now instead of tanks and evil space elves, its those and tiny clothes.
This one costs more then a land raider.

Its a little dolly slasher movie!! Run little pony! Run!

 Crimson Devil wrote:
Its a little dolly slasher movie!! Run little pony! Run!

she's already dead!
Clover takes no prisoners!

To be fair not all my dolls have swords and guns and...other violent weapons, mostly just her and her bff/gf
Oh and there's a lot of forging a narrative in this hobby.

The last GW model I bought was the IG Valkyrie back when it was originally released for the army but I continued to play 40K until just after 5th edition was released. My gaming group started playing it and found it to be a tedious, unfun chore.
About six months before the 5th ed release one of my gaming group convinced me to give Warmachine/ Hordes a try and so when I stopped playing 40K I just naturally moved to Wm/H full time as my main game. Eventually all of the gaming group followed suit.
Occasionally I get in a game of X-wing but I never bought into it myself. Also, about eight months ago I picked up some Infinity models to paint since they looked so sweet and now I'm starting to get into that as well. While I haven't played a game just yet I have spent a bunch of time trying to get the rules down.

The last model I bought for my 40k was a dreadknight for my GK.

When it had just come out. I stopped playing the game not long after. I still have the army, and many of the models from the other armies I also used to play in 40k - but not enough of either to make a battleforged detachment - I could use them all to make a 2000pt unbound list - but I think 7th ed sucks balls.

I started playing Infinity (with infinity models) and Tomorrow's War with my 40k stuff.