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Jefffar wrote:
They only butcher the BA if they aren't in vehicles.

In 6th ed a lot of people cut back on their vehicle content and the meta adapted by getting better at killing infantry of all kinds as a result.

Vehicle heavy lists in this environment are going to be surprisingly effective at getting those marines close to the enemy. Drop enough units off at once and there isn't going to be enough firepower to stop them all in that one turn they get to shoot 'em up before the assaults start.

Maybe. It's super easy to glance out rhinos and razors, though. With the same weapons that mow down marines. S 5-7 is too much of a sweet spot in this game, imo, because units like the land raider and such are too cost ineffective.

But a glanced out Rhino or Razorback is another turn the Marines inside get to live, bringing them a turn closer to wrecking face.

Except now they are foot slogging and will never catch battle focus Eldar or Tau suits.

Basically, trying to get into hand to hand makes you the aggressor and your opponent the defender. Being on the defense is its own force multiplier.

 l1ttlej wrote:
Dunno about everyone else but this makes me worry that we've just become the "red" space marines.....

Ex-BT player here. At least you have got your own codex!

 Tigramans wrote:

 l1ttlej wrote:
Dunno about everyone else but this makes me worry that we've just become the "red" space marines.....

Ex-BT player here. At least you have got your own codex!

Indeed, not all is bad.

Now GW has almost finished a full cycle of codices within ca. 2 years starting with CSM and ending hopefully with Necrons.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Tigramans wrote:

 l1ttlej wrote:
Dunno about everyone else but this makes me worry that we've just become the "red" space marines.....

Ex-BT player here. At least you have got your own codex!

Indeed, not all is bad.

Now GW has almost finished a full cycle of codices within ca. 2 years starting with CSM and ending hopefully with Necrons.

Erh, no ty. I would heavily insist on fixing the atrocious mess that is the CSM dex. It's horribly written, horribly designed, horribly balanced. It pleases neither the legion players nor the warbands players. Everything is either horribly over costed or stupid good, which leaves little no room for creativity, unless you enjoyed being curbstomped by every single codex (including the SoB) the game has to offer, and even when you're shamelessly spamming broken Phill Kelly units, it's still an uphill struggle. I've never seen a codex that actively punishes player for trying to field representative units (not counting Nurgle units), like Berzerkers, Rubrics or Chosens as much as the CSM codex does.

Furthermore, if (or rather, let's face it, WHEN) they nerf the Necrons and scale them back to match the other 7th edition armies then there's nothing in the game anymore that's even remotely close to threaten Phill Kelly's pet army; Eldar. So if the Eldar codex isn't fixed, then 40k will just be a game were people that collects/plays Eldar are being stoned to death with pretzels by raging local hobbyists, and were every tournament will be like: "I wonder what variation of Eldar wins"

PS. No, I don't like Phill Kelly. He is, to me, what Matt Ward is for fluff and I can't mention anything he made that isn't either broken monobuild because 70% of the choices is pure, unadulterated, garbage, or full of different builds because every single specialty (shooting, CC, psychic, you name it) can be done by several units, with no real drawbacks, so the army just because a Mary Sue project that is so unfun to play against that many players who happen to play with those codices gets massive unwarranted rage, as if they were bad people and somehow responsibly for his atrocious writing.