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 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Lockark wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
I wonder what rules they'll add to the Chaos Knight datasheet to make it worse than the Imperial one?

Is it bad that I was thinking the same thing?

I bet you need to roll on a table and if it's +3 he shoots your own army.

Brilliant! That rule could reflect the effect of his wonky eye.

And maybe his ion shield is daemonically possessed so you need to beseech the dark gods in order to use it - roll on a table to determine the facing:

1-2 Front
3 Left
4 Right
5 Rear
6 Inverted! The entire enemy army gains a 4+ invulnerable save against all his shooting.

*narrating intensifies*

I'm glad I'm allowed to use the 3.5 codex with 4th ed rules if my brother ever plays with me.

Just bit the bullet and preordered (along with ordering the IK codex) from my FLGS.

When is this released?

Release is Saturday 23rd



Preorder is up (in NZ)











There is a also a new BaC mission in tomorrow's White Dwarf - photo from miniwars.eu

Javin wrote:
When is this released?

Looks like pre-orders this weekend, shipping 23/04

It is live on the NZ store now:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Imperial-Knights-Renegade-ENG

Conversion guide

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/Datasheets/litany-destruction-conversion-guide-en.pdf

Iuchiban on Warseer posted the 40K rules for the Renegade Knights right here.

Maybe it would be safer to save them somewhere in case a mod remove them. Renegade Knights look awesome. Also pretty funny that they condensed all of the IK datasheet into a single one, resulting in more weapons options than the IK Codex actually has.

For people who have any Knight Kits, are the arm weapons interchangeable?

For example, and with the exception of the power fist and chainsword, could you mount two battle cannons, or two Avenger cannons?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
For people who have any Knight Kits, are the arm weapons interchangeable?

For example, and with the exception of the power fist and chainsword, could you mount two battle cannons, or two Avenger cannons?

Yes. I think with the guns you might run into an issue with ammo boxes being on the wrong side of the gun and thus limiting how it swivels but that's relatively easy to convert to fix. The easiest way to magnetize is it the way you're talking is at the "elbow" where the weapon articulates up and down. The weapons have loop and the two halves up the upper arm fit together around it and through the hole of the loop. If you drill out the hoop to fit a magnet and then clip the cross bars formed by the two halves of the upper arms you can glue one or two magnets to the inside of the upper arm and you should be able to assemble and disassemble to switch out the weapons.

Huh, the Renegade Knight actually isn't terrible.
Actually, it's just a Knight Gallant that can buy all the arm weapons.

Well I'll be damned (oh wait, I already am).

Edit: Oh wait, the only Detachment they have can never be the Primary Detachment. Nevermind GW did find a way to make them a bit worse than normal knights in a way. Not more terrible as a whole, but still annoying.

Dear Diary.

Today I went to bully some CSM like I always do, and for some reason ended up showered under Battlecannons blasts. I do not understand what is happening, it is a new experience to me...

Thank the Gods, Possessed were still terrible thought.

I guess this does not contain large transfer sheet at all, given that pictured transfer sheet contains transfers for both Terryn and Renegade knights.

Awesome! They can go double gattling or double battle cannon!

 Nicky J wrote:
Apologies if it's already been stated, but is this up for pre-order tomorrow? Or the week after?

There's nothing on the preorders at the moment.

From bolter and chainsword post:

Slick looking set, I'll most likely pick up a copy.

Really liking what GW is doing with these specialist games. Gives a flavor of the coolest aspects and models of the universe without having to invest in a whole army and ruleset.

 General Kroll wrote:
There's nothing on the preorders at the moment.

Pre-orders are live on the NZ store now:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Imperial-Knights-Renegade-ENG

locarno24 wrote:

So just to recap is this a kind of game mode to play with knights in a duel like scenario ?

Yes. Reading the report it looks like it's 99% copied over from Godbreaker Clash, which is a one-on-one giant stompy robot duelling game. The rules are fundamentally different to 40k, and include aiming for and taking out specific bits of an opposing unit (weapons, leg joints, etc).

The initial version in White Dwarf included rules for an Imperial Knight and a Stormsurge Ballistic Suit, and although there's no indication there's any mention of the latter in the box, having a 'bolt on' for each of models for which they have the 'flat colour frontal artwork'* would be fairly quick and easy.

I think that gives you Imperial Knight, Stormsurge, Wraithknight, Gorkanaut/Morkanaut. I'm not sure if similar artwork exists for either the Lord Of Skulls or the Bloodthirster - it's probably in Khorne Daemonkin if it exists - can anyone confirm?

They had the Wraithknight and the 'Orkanaut Godbreaker sheets as web freebies that week, didn't they? Or were they in issue 90? I can't find them, now,

I'll be honest. I'm a little taken aback. No stupid random tables? Is Chaos? No. Demorez.

Let's see how the CSM-Eeyores try and spin their objectively better Knight as a disadvantage.

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Let's see how the CSM-Eeyores try and spin their objectively better Knight as a disadvantage.

Imperial Knights get Preferred Enemy against them!

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Let's see how the CSM-Eeyores try and spin their objectively better Knight as a disadvantage.

Well the Renegade Knight is technically not a CSM so there is that.

On the other hand it has more weapon combos than the Imperial Knight and manages to do it in a single dataslate rather than a $41 codex. And with this box they're cheaper $-wise too. Not what I expected at all. Good job GW.

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Let's see how the CSM-Eeyores try and spin their objectively better Knight as a disadvantage.

The ones I hear most so far are about how this doesn't allow marks.
The one that is fairly reasonable has to do with the detachment. It grants the PE bonus to you, but also grants it to the opponent. It is either unused, or it it instantly levels the playing field and thus provides no actual advantage. If the opponent brought more knights than you, your rule provides more benefit to them, and viceversa.
There are also some grips about how the detachment is not allowed to be your primary one.

On the other hand, I've seen at least two posters complain about this Knight being better than the standard Imperium model. "Why does GW constantly **** on the Imperium like this?" was uttered. I personally laughed at the irony.

I've also seen Orks celebrating because Renegade Knights ally as if they were CSM, and therefore are Allies of Convenience to Orks.

Man, I want that boxed set so bad. I would love to have two knights. The game is a nice touch, but my knights would both be loyalist. I am thinking a nice Orange and Violet color scheme for one, and the other as Gerantius or a Freeblade.

 SinisterSamurai wrote:


I've also seen Orks celebrating because Renegade Knights ally as if they were CSM, and therefore are Allies of Convenience to Orks.

I actually hadn't considered this, but it's a really good point! This a pretty immense buff to orks given their lack of effective answers to super-heavies / big things outside of using IA5.

Lack of marks is a little annoying, but then again these are renegade knights, not Chaos Knights so that's understandable - I'll probably get the box and use both Knights as renegades in the detachment, and keep my existing Chaos Knight separate rather than going for a full Household.

It's a good option, no denying that - it's not Chaos, but it's a good option

 Kanluwen wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Let's see how the CSM-Eeyores try and spin their objectively better Knight as a disadvantage.

Imperial Knights get Preferred Enemy against them!

Renegade Knights also get it against Loyalist Knights so its kinda break even. I think the downside is the absence of a Senechal in having a complete formation.


I actually think these Renegade knights have a slight advantage in that, unlike their loyalist counterparts, they can be equipped more flexibly and aren't broken down into distinct patterns and weapon combinations. A twin battle cannon knight with the S8 missile pod is going to let you make alot of boom.

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Let's see how the CSM-Eeyores try and spin their objectively better Knight as a disadvantage.

They lack access to the Formations and Relics that Imperial Knights get

So no Ad Lance and such

 morganfreeman wrote:

 SinisterSamurai wrote:


I've also seen Orks celebrating because Renegade Knights ally as if they were CSM, and therefore are Allies of Convenience to Orks.

I actually hadn't considered this, but it's a really good point! This a pretty immense buff to orks given their lack of effective answers to super-heavies / big things outside of using IA5.

It also gives them a better excuse to use their awesome looted Knight conversions and manage to still be fluffy. A full Fallen House detachment and the USR still ends up making some sense. Imp Knights would be pissed off at their existence. And I guess Ork Knight pilots might relish the chance for a propa waaagh duelin.

My FLGS and local tournies don't like Chaos Knights from Forge World since they're still Experimental. Well, they can't stop me from bringing this

Sadly can't do the silly Daemon version with Grimoire and stuff, but can still Be'lakor for Invisibility on it.

Heck, since it's CSM I can also bring it as an Ally of Convenience with my Necrons without having to worry about all the silly Come the Apocalypse stuff I would have to with Imp Knights.