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And here i thought my grandfather was a wierd one

Imagine if you were this snake...



or one of these drivers

MEH, I bet my Tesla could kick the snot out of it. A Stock 427 cobra will go 0-60 in about 5 (4.5 brand new, but ill take a half second off for wear and tear) seconds, has horrible brakes. My Tesla will go 0-60 in 3.2 seconds, corners like a dream and 0 maintenance.....I do as a car guy of course admire the classics. As for that British roadster, anyone who dreams of British sports cars never had to attempt to maintain them. Actually both of those cars we maintenance hell, suffering major defects and issues which caused them to catch on fire or their throttles getting stuck leading to one of them being launched into the pacific ocean.

Oh by the way sales numbers are in. Tesla is outselling Porsche.....in Germany!

As for fords there is only one im interested in. Has to be in the old Gulf livery.

So how much DOES it pay to street team for Tesla? Just curious, I could use some supplemental income.

You get 1000 miles of free supercharging if someone buys a tesla with your referral code, and that person gets 1000 miles also.

In their older referral system, one fella on youtube won 2 roadsters coming in at like $500k in value. I think that's why they changed it to just be for supercharging

If Jaguar goes full electric, might it be saved? And might they be able to get their saloons back on track?

They’re my favourite car marque (Alfa Romeo is a close second) and I want them to make it.

 Necros wrote:
You get 1000 miles of free supercharging if someone buys a tesla with your referral code, and that person gets 1000 miles also.

In their older referral system, one fella on youtube won 2 roadsters coming in at like $500k in value. I think that's why they changed it to just be for supercharging

I apparently need to start using the sarcasm blue text more often...

 Frazzled wrote:

 Vulcan wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

Again you are overstating the case. Nobody makes perfect cars,

Ah younglings, they know not what they say. Behold the 427 Shelby Cobra!

It's great for bombing around having fun. Some possibilities for picking up easily-impressed girls... or boys, if that's your thing.

Not the most fuel-efficient car for idling in heavy traffic during rush hour, though. Two seats, limits it's use for families. No cargo capacity worth speaking of; not good for getting groceries or hauling furniture. And the off-road capability is laughable; not a replacement for a good 4x4.

It's exceptional at what it does, yes. But it doesn't do so much it can hardly be considered 'perfect'.

Oh contraire. As you stated, its perfect for what it does. Its the perfect sports car. Like the humble but terrifying wiener dog, its the perfect predator.

Oh, yes, I agree, it's a perfect SPORTS car. It's perfect for bombing around and having fun.

Go back to the initial post and you'll notice that no mention is made of SPORTS cars. Just cars overall.

And cars overall have a much broader function than just bombing around and having fun.

I think you're taking my posts a bit more seriously than intended...

 Andrew1975 wrote:


Again you are overstating the case. Nobody makes perfect cars, Tesla currently has the highest customer satisfaction rating according to consumer reports, so if they were as bad as you keep trying to make them, customers wouldn't be so satisfied .

That doesn't necessarily follow. The cool factor outweighs many practicalities, at least short term.

Long term, problems get worse. It's one thing to have two cracked glass roofs replaced under warranty, but once you have to reach for the wallet it's another thing entirely.

On the positive I may have found the current best electric vehicle:


Yea!

I’d still prefer an I-Pace.

 Just Tony wrote:
So how much DOES it pay to street team for Tesla? Just curious, I could use some supplemental income.

Probably more than being an uninformed debbie downer I would suppose.


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jouso wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:


Again you are overstating the case. Nobody makes perfect cars, Tesla currently has the highest customer satisfaction rating according to consumer reports, so if they were as bad as you keep trying to make them, customers wouldn't be so satisfied .

That doesn't necessarily follow. The cool factor outweighs many practicalities, at least short term.

Long term, problems get worse. It's one thing to have two cracked glass roofs replaced under warranty, but once you have to reach for the wallet it's another thing entirely.

Not necessarily, but more than likely, most Tesla owners including the older modles are very happy with their cars. You are supposing that there will be massive long term issues. There really have been very few meaningful issues with Teslas...especially the newer ones.....I just hit enough miles to need an oil change in a regular car......Oh wait, I don't need to do that anymore, in fact my car has 0 maintenance schedule. I do need to still rotate the tires I guess.


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 Future War Cultist wrote:
I’d still prefer an I-Pace.

To each their own, if you want something more expensive, slower, with much less range and a very limited charging network I guess the I-pace is the way to go.

We're giving you a hard time because you're fan-boying so hard it's cringe-worthy. We're not here discussing why you like what you like. You're just beating this obnoxious Tesla drum so hard it's hilarious. Turn it down about twelve notches and people may take you more seriously.

 Elbows wrote:
We're giving you a hard time because you're fan-boying so hard it's cringe-worthy. We're not here discussing why you like what you like. You're just beating this obnoxious Tesla drum so hard it's hilarious. Turn it down about twelve notches and people may take you more seriously.

THIS, except I was apparently coming off as a Debbie Downer in the way I was beating around the bush to state it.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
If Jaguar goes full electric, might it be saved? And might they be able to get their saloons back on track?

They’re my favourite car marque (Alfa Romeo is a close second) and I want them to make it.

Jaguar has three major problems which hav hit them all at the same time in the last couple of years:

1. China market collapse. It was something like 25% of their sales.
2. Diesel market collapse. Most of their cars run on highly engineered turbo-diesel engines which suddently are as popular as coal-powered steam.
3. Saloon market collapse. SUVs now account for I think 29% of European sales, and Jaguar have only one SUV. At least it's fully electric.

I wouldn't ever write off a classic marque like Jaguar, and they've had very bad luck rather than bad judgement, so I hope they survive.

It's ironic that their current advertising runs on the slogan of "I don't do popular choices."

 Elbows wrote:
We're giving you a hard time because you're fan-boying so hard it's cringe-worthy. We're not here discussing why you like what you like. You're just beating this obnoxious Tesla drum so hard it's hilarious. Turn it down about twelve notches and people may take you more seriously.

I don't see it that way, I see it as people that don't know what they are talking about. There is a lot of misinformation about Evs out there. Most of your arguments come from not knowing the facts of Teslas or EVs iin general. Yeah, I'm hyped about it, Im a car guy and this is without a doubt the best car I've ever owned. It performs greatm has great range, i don't have to stop at the gas station anymore, and I don't even have to do regular maintenance. Its amazing to me. I've put thousands, maybe 10s of thousands of hours into repairing cars not to mention the money. EVs are a game changer and I think Tesla makes the best ones, best range, best performance.

I think Tesla is the best right now. I mean for me I pretty much have 3 whole options for EVs in my price range, a Tesla Model 3, the Nissan Leaf or the Chevy Bolt.. not too thrilled with the last 2.

But in the next couple of years there is going to be a lot more competition. Volvo I think has an all new EV brand launching soon, and VW looks to be making a big EV push too. I love the look of their updated EV hippy van, but that won't be out till like '22.

Also wondering if the tesla chargers might become the next betamax. They're the best right now have have the infrastructure, and there's little competition, but what about in a few years? like, aren't all other car brands using the same kind of standard plug as Europe, so Teslas would be the only ones with a proprietary charger? What if they make a law that says all cars need to use that same plug like in Europe? That would be a pretty costly upgrade I imagine. Although, I guess there are adapters that work for that sort of thing, still though, something I was thinking about. Maybe Elon can find the standard plug lobbyists and launch them all into the sun before they can convince congress to do anything.

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
If Jaguar goes full electric, might it be saved? And might they be able to get their saloons back on track?

They’re my favourite car marque (Alfa Romeo is a close second) and I want them to make it.

Jaguar has three major problems which hav hit them all at the same time in the last couple of years:

1. China market collapse. It was something like 25% of their sales.
2. Diesel market collapse. Most of their cars run on highly engineered turbo-diesel engines which suddently are as popular as coal-powered steam.
3. Saloon market collapse. SUVs now account for I think 29% of European sales, and Jaguar have only one SUV. At least it's fully electric.

I wouldn't ever write off a classic marque like Jaguar, and they've had very bad luck rather than bad judgement, so I hope they survive.

It's ironic that their current advertising runs on the slogan of "I don't do popular choices."

Agreed. If I can address these points individually:

1: Jaguar tried to blame this on a downturn in China, but the truth is, it was their reliability that let them down. Other marques of a similar standing actually increased their sells during the same period. They might be able to get away with this in countries where they’ve been established for years but China is a new market and doesn’t tolerate unreliable cars. Plus I hear that their dealer network needs work.

2: Yeah, they really backed the wrong horse here. I don’t blame them of course, but regardless, they got into a diesel stained hole.

3: I thought they had 3 (E-Pace, F-Pace and now the I-Pace) but regardless, the decline in saloon sales is hurting them. And when you’re especially known for your saloons...that’s bad news. The XJ apparently sells ok but it’s a niche vehicle (big limo). The XE and XF are sadly underperforming. I heard that it’s because of the interiors and styling in addition to the unreliability. Luckily however, I think this is all perfectly fixable.

I do would be gutted to see them dropped, and I do worry a lot about them. But, they’ve got the I-Pace, new saloons on the way and the F-Type is well regarded so I’m sure there’s hope.

If only they’d gone hybrid. Also, do they still suffer from that problem of being seen as ‘an old farts’ car? Because they shouldn’t; once upon a time jags were the most high tec cars you could buy.

FYI, I hate SUVs. They’re a con...they hardly do anything that a nice estate can’t whilst being worse to drive and more expensive. The I-Pace is an exception though. I just think it’s that good!

 Andrew1975 wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
We're giving you a hard time because you're fan-boying so hard it's cringe-worthy. We're not here discussing why you like what you like. You're just beating this obnoxious Tesla drum so hard it's hilarious. Turn it down about twelve notches and people may take you more seriously.

I don't see it that way, I see it as people that don't know what they are talking about. There is a lot of misinformation about Evs out there. Most of your arguments come from not knowing the facts of Teslas or EVs iin general. Yeah, I'm hyped about it, Im a car guy and this is without a doubt the best car I've ever owned. It performs greatm has great range, i don't have to stop at the gas station anymore, and I don't even have to do regular maintenance. Its amazing to me. I've put thousands, maybe 10s of thousands of hours into repairing cars not to mention the money. EVs are a game changer and I think Tesla makes the best ones, best range, best performance.

See this is a prime example of your fanboi'ing. Its more OTT and cringy than an Ultrasmurf who just got his Ultramar Gone Wild magazine with Gulliman as the centerfold.

Thanks for your evaluation.

I think the forum would be better off if you put it in a more diplomatic tone of voice.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
We're giving you a hard time because you're fan-boying so hard it's cringe-worthy. We're not here discussing why you like what you like. You're just beating this obnoxious Tesla drum so hard it's hilarious. Turn it down about twelve notches and people may take you more seriously.

I don't see it that way, I see it as people that don't know what they are talking about. There is a lot of misinformation about Evs out there. Most of your arguments come from not knowing the facts of Teslas or EVs iin general. Yeah, I'm hyped about it, Im a car guy and this is without a doubt the best car I've ever owned. It performs greatm has great range, i don't have to stop at the gas station anymore, and I don't even have to do regular maintenance. Its amazing to me. I've put thousands, maybe 10s of thousands of hours into repairing cars not to mention the money. EVs are a game changer and I think Tesla makes the best ones, best range, best performance.

See this is a prime example of your fanboi'ing. Its more OTT and cringy than an Ultrasmurf who just got his Ultramar Gone Wild magazine with Gulliman as the centerfold.

Hey, make a legitimate argument and we can have a discussion! If not you are just blowing smoke.


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 Necros wrote:
I think Tesla is the best right now. I mean for me I pretty much have 3 whole options for EVs in my price range, a Tesla Model 3, the Nissan Leaf or the Chevy Bolt.. not too thrilled with the last 2.

But in the next couple of years there is going to be a lot more competition. Volvo I think has an all new EV brand launching soon, and VW looks to be making a big EV push too. I love the look of their updated EV hippy van, but that won't be out till like '22.

Also wondering if the tesla chargers might become the next betamax. They're the best right now have have the infrastructure, and there's little competition, but what about in a few years? like, aren't all other car brands using the same kind of standard plug as Europe, so Teslas would be the only ones with a proprietary charger? What if they make a law that says all cars need to use that same plug like in Europe? That would be a pretty costly upgrade I imagine. Although, I guess there are adapters that work for that sort of thing, still though, something I was thinking about. Maybe Elon can find the standard plug lobbyists and launch them all into the sun before they can convince congress to do anything.

Elon has offered to let any company use the supercharger network, they just have to pitch in, nobody has taken him up on the offer. Right now Tesla has the lead, others say that they can do better, but they have been saying that for years. There is always a tesls killer on the horizon...but if you actually compare them the numbers always go in Teslas favor. The new Porshe Tycan that is the Tesla killer is slower than my car, much slower than a model S and doesnt have the of either, same with the Volvo.....and again they will have very limited charging networks.

I think ni Europe there is a mandate that all chargers have to be able to charge all cars. There is a fight in NYC where they are not letting tesla install any more chargers unless they are compatible with other vehicles. I dont really think its fair to make Tesla install the infrastructure for much larger corporations, but it could also be a money maker for Tesla which does need the additional streams of income.

By the way Teslas come with an adapter to use the standard chargers, it wont charge as fast as a supercharger though, but it will charge as fast as any other car at that charger.

 Andrew1975 wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
We're giving you a hard time because you're fan-boying so hard it's cringe-worthy. We're not here discussing why you like what you like. You're just beating this obnoxious Tesla drum so hard it's hilarious. Turn it down about twelve notches and people may take you more seriously.

I don't see it that way, I see it as people that don't know what they are talking about. There is a lot of misinformation about Evs out there. Most of your arguments come from not knowing the facts of Teslas or EVs iin general. Yeah, I'm hyped about it, Im a car guy and this is without a doubt the best car I've ever owned. It performs greatm has great range, i don't have to stop at the gas station anymore, and I don't even have to do regular maintenance. Its amazing to me. I've put thousands, maybe 10s of thousands of hours into repairing cars not to mention the money. EVs are a game changer and I think Tesla makes the best ones, best range, best performance.

See this is a prime example of your fanboi'ing. Its more OTT and cringy than an Ultrasmurf who just got his Ultramar Gone Wild magazine with Gulliman as the centerfold.

Hey, make a legitimate argument and we can have a discussion! If not you are just blowing smoke.

They've already been made in the thread. But I will remind you of them.

1) Tesla has unacceptable repair wait times. Yet they just keep pushing out new models instead of trying to support their existing ones properly.

2) EVs have little to no infrastructure in existence at the moment. This makes them highly unattractive to anybody who actually wants to drive anything other than a specific commute that has charging station access.

3) Teslas, and good EVs that compare to real vehicles in performance, are very expensive. They also won't hold their value long term because of system degradation and the fact that better EVs will come out in the near future, which will absolutely kill their value when you want to upgrade. No car dealer is going to give a good trade in value for a Model S in 10 years because by that time you'll have many new models of electric vehicle that will absolutely kick the snot out of your precious model S. And anybody who is shopping for a used vehicle isn't going to want to bother with an electric vehicle if they aren't already set up to own one.

4) Any EV requires you to set up a charging station at your house. That is a major electrical project and comes with the expenses and hazards that something like that involves.

5) Musk is a douce who will never see a red cent of my money.

So yeah. You really are coming across as a bad fanboi. We get it. You got your new shiny and are happy with it, thats good for you. But don't try to brow beat everybody with its alleged superiority when there are many many objective flaws with the product that a consumer would be wise to avoid.

I'd be all for it if they start mass producing ones that you can just plug into the mains. dont have to worry about fuel..just whack it on your leccy bill. easy

Ok, what about electric cars teaming up with solar power makers to offer a discount on a home solar rig to recharge them? Now I know people who use their cars all day might now be able to recharge them at night but the solar panels could recharge a battery during the day you plug your car into at night.

So you end up with this:

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/91/d3/03/91d303702ae4f243fbee7e3ede52fe1b.jpg

I think Tesla does that.. they don't just make cars they sell solar panels and special battery packs for houses. They also have some special kind of solar shingles, so you use them for your roof instead of normal shingles and it acts as solar panels but I think it doesn't draw as much power as a normal panel would. Nice for if you're made of money and you want it to blend in.

Can we please not ruin this thread and get a mod locking it? It's already veered that way with some flames and personal attacks. This isn't a bad thread idea and should be kept going.


On topic, why is it just about cars? Why not electric scooters for people who don't need a full car most of the time?

Come to think of it why do so many people feel a need to own a car? How about an electric car leasing or subscription service? Subscribe and have a small electric car delivered to you and use it as long as you subscribe to the services. Insurance, maintanence, etc are all covered by your subscription fee. A big company could likely get a discount on insurance for alot of subscribers so it'd cost less than an individual policy, plus when your car need service you just trade it for another one.

 Techpriestsupport wrote:
Can we please not ruin this thread and get a mod locking it? It's already veered that way with some flames and personal attacks. This isn't a bad thread idea and should be kept going.


On topic, why is it just about cars? Why not electric scooters for people who don't need a full car most of the time?

Come to think of it why do so many people feel a need to own a car? How about an electric car leasing or subscription service? Subscribe and have a small electric car delivered to you and use it as long as you subscribe to the services. Insurance, maintanence, etc are all covered by your subscription fee. A big company could likely get a discount on insurance for alot of subscribers so it'd cost less than an individual policy, plus when your car need service you just trade it for another one.

what about those who need larger cars?

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

 Techpriestsupport wrote:
Can we please not ruin this thread and get a mod locking it? It's already veered that way with some flames and personal attacks. This isn't a bad thread idea and should be kept going.


On topic, why is it just about cars? Why not electric scooters for people who don't need a full car most of the time?

Come to think of it why do so many people feel a need to own a car? How about an electric car leasing or subscription service? Subscribe and have a small electric car delivered to you and use it as long as you subscribe to the services. Insurance, maintanence, etc are all covered by your subscription fee. A big company could likely get a discount on insurance for alot of subscribers so it'd cost less than an individual policy, plus when your car need service you just trade it for another one.

what about those who need larger cars?

Fair question. They could subscribe for a larger car at a slightly higher rate. Obviously there could be subscription levels and plans. likewise ones driver history would play a part in your rates.

Another possibility for electric cars could be this:

http://www.notesvillage.com/notesvillage/seminars/seminarcontent.php?value=5

Need a charge now? Go to a station and do an electrolyte swap.

 Techpriestsupport wrote:
Come to think of it why do so many people feel a need to own a car?

Because owning a car in most of the US is mandatory if you want to get anywhere. When your job, grocery store, etc, are all spread out across miles in all directions you either have a car or spend immense amounts of time on a bus (if you can get there at all, which is often a very optimistic assumption). Maybe if you live and work downtown in a major city you can get away with not having a car, but for most of us it's not a choice.

How about an electric car leasing or subscription service? Subscribe and have a small electric car delivered to you and use it as long as you subscribe to the services. Insurance, maintanence, etc are all covered by your subscription fee. A big company could likely get a discount on insurance for alot of subscribers so it'd cost less than an individual policy, plus when your car need service you just trade it for another one.

IOW, leasing a car. Only two types of people lease cars:

1) People who don't understand money and spend nearly as much as the payment on a car loan but don't have any asset at the end of it. Or, I suppose, who are so rich that they don't care if they're making a financially irresponsible choice.

and

2) People who are going to redline the engine 90% of the time and trade it in for another car every year, in which case a lease makes sense because you abuse the car and dump the repair bills and accelerated wear rates onto someone else.


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 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
I'd be all for it if they start mass producing ones that you can just plug into the mains. dont have to worry about fuel..just whack it on your leccy bill. easy

You already can, just at a slower charging rate because your household wiring isn't designed to handle the current required to charge at a faster rate. My partner has a plug-in hybrid for local driving and it just goes on the wall socket in the garage after every trip.