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I would find myself on this in agreement with the both of you, glorious day of days. Huzzah I say.

As we say here: There's a difference you (politeform) gakhole and you(direct form) donkey-cave.

GW learned the first.
But maintained the intention of the second. Except ofcourse they also (insert Mr.Krabs "I like money") want all money they can grab and are willing to sacrifice consumer goodwill.

Which they only somewhat recently regained...

Just like 7th.

Dudeface wrote:

dyndraig wrote:

AngryAngel80 wrote:


The plastic kits mean nothing, if the rules are borked. They may be a model company but if they got rid of the game, people would mostly stop buying the models, that is the long and short of it. One really does push the other by a large margin.

Considering how GW manage their resources, I would highly doubt that.

TBH that's probably correct, a lot of people use the minis for the game and the setting, without which they're just expensive alternate pieces for some other game, or display items.

But I just disagree that the quality of the plastic kits is determined by the rules behind them, they're premium kits and well designed regardless of rules.

They're well sculpted and expensive, for sure. Well designed remains up for debate.

Jain Zharrs hairstand.....

I cannot think of many GW models i would just buy from the 40k line these days without a game.
There are high quality, but i would much rather get something fantastic from so many of sellers online. Resen, or even metal if its just for a display mini.
Hell i would rather GW get there stuff together and at least hit a minimum standard for there resen stuff if it means they can put some kits into production for factions poorly needed in new minis.

Plastic for everything is great and all, but i wonder if its a huge issues in the back of the design process.

You can still get a 5++ on vehicles. I already have a dorito for that, Guy Fieri was just an extra bubble honestly.

I do feel for March of Ancients would have been fine with incremental CP increase rather than only 1. Was looking forward to an all dreadnought army with 0 starting CP honestly XD

Deredeo isn't a great answer for the invuln bubble. Very costly compared to Ferios. Moreover, the dread can be targeted.

 chimeara wrote:
Deredeo isn't a great answer for the invuln bubble. Very costly compared to Ferios. Moreover, the dread can be targeted.

As a single dreadnought I think he could be viable as he would still be the wound sink.

I plan on using him with IH airforce purely for the T1 protection he affords and afterwards he will still be fairly useful.

tneva82 wrote:
Yeah you 100% need at least 1 supplement. And if you want to vary your units you need more to get the supplement that's optimal for your units.

If you want to chase the meta by running some sort of stupid soup unit that's more a problem with you TBH

But if someone picks an army, because he likes a specific type of game play, then wouldn't it make most sense to also use the rule from a book the supports that type of game play the best?

If DA suddenly became a termintor power house, then playing BA termintor lists and then wondering why htey don't work, would be rather foolish.

We really had this whole talk with the blue iron hands thing. Very few players are going to run a sub par army list when they can take the better set of rules for their models. Holding yourself to what faction you actually picked out of some form of honor system just isn't a thing for most.

Chasing the meta is like it or not a part of this game for a great many people. So I'd imagine a few people have picked up multiple supplements or at the least pirated them all just for that meta chase.

Am not even sure it is chasing the meta. Someone may want to play an jump infantry army, it would make sense that taking the best codex to have a jump infantry based army is the proper way to go. But that doesn't mean that the jump infantry type army has to be the most dominant army in the game, or at least top 3.

Otherwise people get penalised twice, first when they pick a non top army, and then for picking the wrong rules to play them. And if rules were to be glued to how models are painted, then the penality is threefold

BrianDavion wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Yeah you 100% need at least 1 supplement. And if you want to vary your units you need more to get the supplement that's optimal for your units.

If you want to chase the meta by running some sort of stupid soup unit that's more a problem with you TBH

Lol. That's what GW is basically forcing you to do. If you take units that benefit from chapter X more than chapter Y then you take chapter X. That's what you get when you give out free bonuses. If GW was really interested in balance salamander flame unit wouldnt' cost same as say raven guard flame unit because the units arent' same in value. But hey we are talking about GW whose business model is made by intentional imbalance.

There's nothing in 40k encouraging you to have one chapter/regiment/whatever and sticking to it. Meanwhile all the encouragements in the world to switch for your army lists based on what you are fielding.

Super simple example to illustrate point: You take necron army. You want doom scythes. You are railroaded to have 3 of them due to stratagem being only reason to take them. What reason you would have for any dynasty but sautekh and MAYBE mephrit(though rather wimps still)?

Nephrek? Wee! Automatically 6" advancing flyers! Oh wait fliers auto advance 20"(would this mean nephrek advancing flier would advance less than others...). Nihilikh? Need to stay stationary so no benefit. Novokh? Yey! Reroll hits when you charge! Doom scythes are soooooooooooooo often charging now aren't they?

I think they can make the feel of an army good without drowning you in free rules. They did a pretty good with the guard book. Some choices are just better than others but it's not by such a large degree they all don't have some merit in their selection and some point in trying them out.

I think though its an issue with GW selling/rules balance. I really think they want to make you have a reason to get multiple of the same models for a core and different specialist armies so you can double dip for them.

It's just hard to imagine another reason for all the super buffs otherwise. I just wish they'd give all the forces some love as such which I suppose we'll see in PA but I don't have high hopes.