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 Charistoph wrote:
Even a broken analogue clock is right twice a day. Being wrong on one aspect doesn't mean they're wrong on everything.

That being said, if they don't "refresh" the edition's rules ala 9th or GHB 2, it will be the first time they've waited so long to do so with their main games in quite a long time.

Sure. But that just makes the "rumour" extra-dodgy.

If click-bait sites like BoLS throw out "rumours" about things you can "reasonably" guess are gonna happen more or less anyhow, it's the ultimate red light to the rumour being actually a legitimate rumour. Doubly so if they cannot even be bothered to be precise on whether its a genuine new edition, just the annual box in the spirit of Dark Imperium/Shadowspear with an errata-updated rulebook or something inbetween.

That just reeks of "let's make reasonable guesses that might more or less turn out correct with reasonable probability just so we can obscure the waters on our bad rumour-track record and continue to produce click-bait. And lets make it extra vague, so we spin-doctor it into a "correct rumour" later as much as possible".

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 Charistoph wrote:
Even a broken analogue clock is right twice a day. Being wrong on one aspect doesn't mean they're wrong on everything.

That being said, if they don't "refresh" the edition's rules ala 9th or GHB 2, it will be the first time they've waited so long to do so with their main games in quite a long time.

Sure. But that just makes the "rumour" extra-dodgy.

If click-bait sites like BoLS throw out "rumours" about things you can "reasonably" guess are gonna happen more or less anyhow, it's the ultimate red light to the rumour being actually a legitimate rumour. Doubly so if they cannot even be bothered to be precise on whether its a genuine new edition, just the annual box in the spirit of Dark Imperium/Shadowspear with an errata-updated rulebook or something inbetween.

That just reeks of "let's make reasonable guesses that might more or less turn out correct with reasonable probability just so we can obscure the waters on our bad rumour-track record and continue to produce click-bait. And lets make it extra vague, so we spin-doctor it into a "correct rumour" later as much as possible".

Oh, no argument from me. Every time I hear, "I heard a rumor," the phrase, "every rumor is probably not true, so you should tell everyone you know," comes to mind.

It's one of the things that helps keep the salt mines busy ever since some doctors tried to convince everyone their heart disease came from the salt on their potato chips.

Spikeybits has some rumors. Probably bs but hey worth talking about.
1) There are about 4 PA books left before 9th.
2) Endless spells are coming to 40k. They will get a box like malign portents.
3) the psychic phase will be before the movement phase
4) Flyers are getting a total rules rework
5) New heavy skitarii called hephaestons that will take up two slots in duneriders, accidentally revealed in concept/sketch art for those

GW and names...

 cole1114 wrote:
Spikeybits has some rumors. Probably bs but hey worth talking about.
1) There are about 4 PA books left before 9th.
2) Endless spells are coming to 40k. They will get a box like malign portents.
3) the psychic phase will be before the movement phase
4) Flyers are getting a total rules rework
5) New heavy skitarii called hephaestons that will take up two slots in duneriders, accidentally revealed in concept/sketch art for those

Spikey Bits said last month that Blood of the Baal would be the last Psychic Awakening book.

They're… really not that great a source.

nataliereed1984 wrote:

 cole1114 wrote:
Spikeybits has some rumors. Probably bs but hey worth talking about.
1) There are about 4 PA books left before 9th.
2) Endless spells are coming to 40k. They will get a box like malign portents.
3) the psychic phase will be before the movement phase
4) Flyers are getting a total rules rework
5) New heavy skitarii called hephaestons that will take up two slots in duneriders, accidentally revealed in concept/sketch art for those

Spikey Bits said last month that Blood of the Baal would be the last Psychic Awakening book.

They're… really not that great a source.

Oh they're terrible. But I wanted to talk about those ideas at the very least.

 cole1114 wrote:
Spikeybits has some rumors. Probably bs but hey worth talking about.
1) There are about 4 PA books left before 9th.
2) Endless spells are coming to 40k. They will get a box like malign portents.
3) the psychic phase will be before the movement phase
4) Flyers are getting a total rules rework
5) New heavy skitarii called hephaestons that will take up two slots in duneriders, accidentally revealed in concept/sketch art for those

1) Sounds about right
2) Seems like the foot to lead with. It's something I expected, but given that in AoS they're mostly faction linked it makes this much less likely.
3) Also seems like an assumption based on AoS
4) Out of left field
5) If they were accidentally revealed are there images to look at?

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 cole1114 wrote:
Spikeybits has some rumors. Probably bs but hey worth talking about.
1) There are about 4 PA books left before 9th.
2) Endless spells are coming to 40k. They will get a box like malign portents.
3) the psychic phase will be before the movement phase
4) Flyers are getting a total rules rework
5) New heavy skitarii called hephaestons that will take up two slots in duneriders, accidentally revealed in concept/sketch art for those

1) Sounds about right
2) Seems like the foot to lead with. It's something I expected, but given that in AoS they're mostly faction linked it makes this much less likely.
3) Also seems like an assumption based on AoS
4) Out of left field
5) If they were accidentally revealed are there images to look at?

There are!

 cole1114 wrote:

nataliereed1984 wrote:

 cole1114 wrote:
Spikeybits has some rumors. Probably bs but hey worth talking about.
1) There are about 4 PA books left before 9th.
2) Endless spells are coming to 40k. They will get a box like malign portents.
3) the psychic phase will be before the movement phase
4) Flyers are getting a total rules rework
5) New heavy skitarii called hephaestons that will take up two slots in duneriders, accidentally revealed in concept/sketch art for those

Spikey Bits said last month that Blood of the Baal would be the last Psychic Awakening book.

They're… really not that great a source.

Oh they're terrible. But I wanted to talk about those ideas at the very least.

Well, that's fair.

Personally, the only one I give real credence to is the Hephaeston, and that's only because we've also already seen the new Archaeocopter, and there's been some other quite clearly Skitarii stuff on Rumour Engine.

The idea that there's only 4 more PA books is almost certainly incorrect. After Ritual of the Damned, I think they need at least 6 more to really cover all the factions they initially said would get new rules in it (and that's the ones from before they backtracked and claimed ALL factions would). Also, Spikey Bits has already made the mistake of thinking an announced "wave" of PA was the entirety of what would come up. They probably just made that exact same mistake a second time and thought Saga of The Beast (which anyone with a brain can guess will be Space Wolves vs Orkz) would be the final release.

Like, assuming Saga of the Beast is Orkz / Space Wolves, and Greater Good is T'au and Who-Knows, that still leaves us:

Imperial Guard, Adeptus Mechanicus, Adeptus Custodes, Necrons, Chaos Daemons, Death Guard, Knights, and maybe also Genestealer Cults, Harlequins and Death Watch.

So I'm imagining one more additional "wave" of three books following Saga of the Beast.

"Endless Spells" in 40k MIGHT happen, but I think that's just them making a guess based on AoS, Psychic Awakening, and some of the phenomena described in the PA lore (like Imperial citizens in Talledus manifesting golden eagles to fight off the Alpha Legion). Educated guesses aren't rumours.

I think they're just pulling "Psychic will come before movement" completely out of their asses, because that's how AoS does it, and we've already seen rules ideas "tested" in AoS and then moved over to 40k. So it seems like them just going for a guess that SOUNDS like solid information but is just random ideas with no actual source that just happen to have a better chance of being correct than other random ideas would.

And as for flyers getting a total rework? I'll file that in "complete garbage", the kind of thing any "psychic" or fortune teller or cold reader or "medium" or whatever says because they know their correct guesses based on playing the odds will be remembered better and taken as stronger evidence than all their totally inaccurate garbage guesses.

 Aestas wrote:
GW and names...

no one needs Jared Leto.

I'm really interested in anything new for Admech, Big Bird is what I'm excited for, a heavy option in the elite slots sounds fun.

If endless spells are released and the psyker phase is before moving may be fun, and what interactions it has with the players can have interesting in-game effects.

flyers getting reworked can be cool, have more of a differentiation for skimmers, hover & supersonic. if they redo the hit/save modifiers for whichever mode of flight for the attacker should help to make it more "realistic".

Honestly, fingers crossed we get the hero phase ported over before anything else

Flyers has been reworked a few times already, older additions they were just skimmers, then fully airborne, then dog fighting, and now semi airborne.

So i'm guessing someone is making an educated guess that they will be redone once again.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:It raises a good point. I really hope 9th adds IGOUGO mechanics.

I take it you mean alternating activation? 40K is already wholly IGOUGO.

Alternating activation a la Kill Team or Apocalypse is my holy grail for 40K. Even if it's just per-phase, I think it'd make a huge difference in how swingy the game can be.

(IGOUGO is a bit of a confusing term, isn't it? Because alternating activation does mean I go, then you go, then I go again, and so on to complete a single turn- the difference is really whether the alternation is within a turn, or from turn to turn)

Martel732 wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
I gotta say, I have yet to play a game against space Marines that makes it to the 4th turn, and I run Custodes, which are SUPPOSED to be the hardest thing to kill in 8th.

They are not the hardest per point by a long shot. Guardsmen are a lot tougher.

Custodians are 24 times harder to kill with bolters than Guardsman, for 12.25 times the cost. They are, point-for-point, twice as hard to kill.

Against lasguns, Custodians are 18 times harder to kill. Still 12.25 times the cost. Still more efficient.

Against bolt rifles, or bolters in Tactical doctrine, Custodians are 15 times harder to kill. Still 12.25 times the cost. Still more efficient.

Against actual heavy weapons... Guardsman start to become point-for-point tougher. Go figure. And you have to go all the way up to lascannons for Guardsmen to be twice as tough as Custodes for the points.

I've heard a rumor that 9th Ed will ship with a small stuffed Primaris doll so Marine players can demonstrate to the court where the Infantry Squad touched them.

Huh. Never did that math. Guardsmen sure SEEM tougher. They have overkill and ROF overload properties.

All I can say is I was really excited to play 8th when it dropped, there were rough spots of course but it was fun. Now there's just too much going on, and I feel like building any army must start with a battalion or suck for lack of CP. I can't just... build an army then play a game. I need codex, campaign book(s), chapter approved, whatever the hell ITC is doing, on top of main rules, then I have to figure out how to build an army such that it is actually viable, and somewhere in all that I lose my will to try.

Something else that really bugs me is how the terrain rules allow for units that cannot be charged by any means, because my models won't fit on the platform they're on.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
All I can say is I was really excited to play 8th when it dropped, there were rough spots of course but it was fun. Now there's just too much going on, and I feel like building any army must start with a battalion or suck for lack of CP. I can't just... build an army then play a game. I need codex, campaign book(s), chapter approved, whatever the hell ITC is doing, on top of main rules, then I have to figure out how to build an army such that it is actually viable, and somewhere in all that I lose my will to try.

Something else that really bugs me is how the terrain rules allow for units that cannot be charged by any means, because my models won't fit on the platform they're on.

Have you considered taking a step back from competitive play? I had a go at a tournament myself recently with my patently innefficient Dark Angels army, and it wasn't a lot of fun. Somehow, getting tabled by turn two just didn't give me a good time. When I expressed my lack of interest in any future tournaments, the competitive guys tried to explain that I would enjoy it a lot more if I just brought some better units (Azrael, Sammael, Hellblasters) but the thing is, I just don't want to use those units; I want to use the units I like the look an fluff of, but many of the competitive guys just don't seem to get that. On the other hand, there are a couple of fellow souls who seem to get exactly where I'm coming from, so I've just focused on playing more narrative based games with them, and we've been having a blast!

With respect to not being able to charge units on a raised platform, my local store has a house rule that allows charging units to imagine that the platform in question extends another 1" all around, but I actually don't like this rule, as I think the current rule actually makes narrative sense. A group of Warriors give up control of the battlefield to take up a highly defensible position, and hope to weather the storm. Well, within reason of course. Looking at you and your "High Ground" Obi Wan.

But yeah, I can see why competitive play shouldn't have these sorts of shenanigans.

 cole1114 wrote:
Spikeybits has some rumors. Probably bs but hey worth talking about.
1) There are about 4 PA books left before 9th.
2) Endless spells are coming to 40k. They will get a box like malign portents.
3) the psychic phase will be before the movement phase
4) Flyers are getting a total rules rework
5) New heavy skitarii called hephaestons that will take up two slots in duneriders, accidentally revealed in concept/sketch art for those

That Spikeybits articles was almost immediately pointed out to have been "sourced" from the unsourced BoLS article. It's exactly the article I was thinking of when I referred to circular sourcing.

Why exactly do people read Spikey Bitz or the appropriately named load of BoLS? I mean, do developments in our hobby really move with such speed and ferocity that we need to keep our fingers pressed hard on its pulse? Is it really so difficult to wait for the at least weekly updates from Games Workshop themselves that we'd rather go and read something that's likely mostly a load of taurox gak.

Both advertise on facebook so they likely get more than a few clicks and looks from people with relevant wargamer groups and views on FB.

There are (or were) the occasional good article on those sites once you ignore all the "breaking news" and "rumor" clickbait.

I still check BoLS regularly because they do often have some good articles about the state of the game. You just have to avoid anything written by Vela. I wouldn't look at Spikey Bits on someone else's computer. Not only is the content garbage, I feel like I need to run three virus/malware scans and disinfect my PC every time I unintentionally click a link to it.