So.. Ghazzy gets krumped by some random human?

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**BrianDavion**

yeah will confirm. they've never really said it specificly but it sounds to me like when a space marine crosses the rubicon his entire body completely shuts down, if the marine manages to "make the crossing" his body will reset (likely thanks to the Belsian furnace kicking in)

**Dysartes**

BrianDavion wrote:
Super Ready wrote:
What I'm seeing here, is multiple people doing mathhammer to show whether something that happened in lore could or could not have happened on the tabletop.

...have we learned nothing?! There's a reason "movie marines" was ever a thing.

Actually I did the math hammer to prove it was theoreticly possiable. Blaktoof is apparently trying to tell me I'm wrong about the stats despite having codex space wolves and codex orks in my lap.

You are slightly mis-reading Ragnar's Insane Bravado rule, though - in True Marine mode, that only kicks in on a Heroic Intervention, not on a Charge. When he got "promoted" to Heretek Marine mode, I believe it changed to give the +D3 on charges as well, but I didn't pick up the boxset, so don't have the modified datasheet to check.

If we're allowing Ghaz to use a strat to fight after death, Ragnar has access to both Seeking a Saga and Only In Death Does Duty End in Codex: Space Wolves to make his job a little easier (and they're both kinda thematically appropriate, too).

**Platuan4th**

Jidmah wrote:
Platuan4th wrote:
I'm going to have to correct you here since dying is literally part of the process in crossing the Rubicon Primaris. That's why it's a risky operation because they might not being able to be brought back when they're supposed to.

Granted, you die on the operating table, but you still die before it's done.

Interesting, I didn't know that. By chance, do you remember where you read that?

When Calgar crossed the Rubicon Primaris, they explained the procedure some(I want to say in the first Vigilus book). At the apex of the procedure, they suppress bodily functions to the point of death. They then perform defibrillation and if the Belisarius Furnace activates properly, the procedure happened successfully. Calgar was dead for at least 20 minutes during his ascendancy. It's also part of why there was a lot of eye rolling when Master Lazarus was the first DA to cross.

**BrianDavion**

Platuan4th wrote:
It's also part of why there was a lot of eye rolling when Master Lazarus was the first DA to cross.

I mean in fairness he's not the first Marine with a corny name and won't be the last

**Super Ready**

You know what? I reckon it was the other way round. All the Masters are gathered in the chamber as the process of crossing the Rubicon Primaris is described.
Then they get to the bit about the Belisarian Furnace, and everyone turns to look at Lazarus.

"What? ...*WHAT*?! Stop staring at me."

**Jidmah**

BrianDavion wrote:
Platuan4th wrote:
It's also part of why there was a lot of eye rolling when Master Lazarus was the first DA to cross.

I mean in fairness he's not the first Marine with a corny name and won't be the last

Having corny names is kind of part of the Dark Angel's identity though.

**Sgt_Smudge**

Super Ready wrote:
You know what? I reckon it was the other way round. All the Masters are gathered in the chamber as the process of crossing the Rubicon Primaris is described.
Then they get to the bit about the Belisarian Furnace, and everyone turns to look at Lazarus.

"What? ...*WHAT*?! Stop staring at me."

"Azmodai... why are you pointing your plasma pistol at me?"
"Belial, draft a statement to the rest of the Chapter. Say that Lazarus here met with an unfortunate accident in combat."
"Azrael, why-" *pew*

**DalekCheese**

Beardedragon wrote:
Im not really that strong on the lore so riddle me this.

Lorewise, the strongest ork we have access to and know about, is our man Ghazzy. Ghazghkull, the mighty ork warboss, THE prophet of Gork and Mork, however, basically gets krumped and has his head cut off by some random human space marine officer from the Space Wolves.

How come, the best the Orks has to offer, has his head cut off by a random little ascended primaris? Why cant he at least die while putting up a fight to a Primarch? Is that really all the orks are good for? just losing to some tiny turd. At least bring out a Primarch or something to Krump Ghazzy.

You'd think the best the orks has to offer, would be putting up a good fight to a primarch yet he just fights some random dude who got lucky one day and was allowed to be important.

Well yes, but actually no. His head was sewn back on immediately afterwards.