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grahamdbailey wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
It’s probably because I’m old, so very old, but every RPG group I’ve ever been in used only the books, paper and pens. We never used miniatures or tiles or anything like that.

Huh? Even back in 1E/2E, D&D had lots of minis. Grenadier, TSR and Ral Partha had official / compatible D&D minis way back in the 80s for sure!

$15 for a modern X-in-1 hero model is very reasonable for a RPG player who just needs the one mini for their PC, not an entire army (like the poor GM). And having dealt with Bones, if they're modern HIPS, so much the better for being able to use ordinary hobby tools and techniques for plastic scale models.

Hell, even GW did an official line of AD&D miniatures back in the day, and Citadel Miniatures were used to promote D&D through breakfast cereal promotions.


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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
OK, no worries.

Palladium is pretty funny. No concept of balance whatsoever, so it's entirely up to the GM to keep things in line.

Don't forget they're also lying scammers!

I'm owed a RRT MAC-II Monster and Armored Valks from the KS that those fethers never delivered. That they're liars and scammers is basically a given at this point.

I vaguely recall that Warhammer Fantasy was somehow D&D adjacent, but I wasn't aware that they tied into breakfast cereal marketing. That's really funny to me.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

grahamdbailey wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
It’s probably because I’m old, so very old, but every RPG group I’ve ever been in used only the books, paper and pens. We never used miniatures or tiles or anything like that.

Huh? Even back in 1E/2E, D&D had lots of minis. Grenadier, TSR and Ral Partha had official / compatible D&D minis way back in the 80s for sure!

$15 for a modern X-in-1 hero model is very reasonable for a RPG player who just needs the one mini for their PC, not an entire army (like the poor GM). And having dealt with Bones, if they're modern HIPS, so much the better for being able to use ordinary hobby tools and techniques for plastic scale models.

Hell, even GW did an official line of AD&D miniatures back in the day, and Citadel Miniatures were used to promote D&D through breakfast cereal promotions.


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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
OK, no worries.

Palladium is pretty funny. No concept of balance whatsoever, so it's entirely up to the GM to keep things in line.

Don't forget they're also lying scammers!

I'm owed a RRT MAC-II Monster and Armored Valks from the KS that those fethers never delivered. That they're liars and scammers is basically a given at this point.

I vaguely recall that Warhammer Fantasy was somehow D&D adjacent, but I wasn't aware that they tied into breakfast cereal marketing. That's really funny to me.

Yeah, I'm old enough to remember them.
The cards came in packs of Shreddies.

 Red Harvest wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:


Respect.

That's at least 10 years before MY time.

Really? I thought that you were early to mid-80's. I played them in '78-'79, and then Battlesystem when it released in circa '85.

They really were not all that much fun. A good fantasy miniatures game didn't arrive until the 2nd edition of Warhammer.

1983-84ish the D&D cartoon and the basic set in the window of my local general store lured me in. I remember Battlesystem but never played it, never saw Chainmail in the wild. Never even heard of Swords and Spells.

Funny. These days 6 years goes by like water, but back then 6 years was an eternity.

I wonder if those Framworks Miniatures a test balloon for more. Maybe a skimisher with small Warbands sometime?

The relases say "wave one".

RazorEdge wrote:
I wonder if those Framworks Miniatures a test balloon for more. Maybe a skimisher with small Warbands sometime?

The relases say "wave one".

They're D&D minis. There are more possible creatures than this in D&D, hence more waves.

RazorEdge wrote:
I wonder if those Framworks Miniatures a test balloon for more. Maybe a skimisher with small Warbands sometime?

The relases say "wave one".

That's almost certainly projection of what you want vs what they're intending to sell. Sure, Wizkids would love for people to buy a several figures at $15 each for a skirmish battle game; however, there's no expectation for that sort of thing. This isn't being marketed as some sort of Heroclix game.

There are a LOT more than 4 flavors of D&D Hero:
* 2 sexes: male v female
* 7 races: human, elf, dwarf, gnome, halfling, half-elf, half-orc
* 9 classes: fighter, ranger, paladin, barbarian, cleric, druid, wizard, sorceror, thief.

That's 126 combinations, so there can be a vast number of waves to follow if this goes well.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:


There are a LOT more than 4 flavors of D&D Hero:
* 2 sexes: male v female
* 7 races: human, elf, dwarf, gnome, halfling, half-elf, half-orc
* 9 classes: fighter, ranger, paladin, barbarian, cleric, druid, wizard, sorceror, thief.

That's 126 combinations, so there can be a vast number of waves to follow if this goes well.

A lot more than that, your races list is based on 1st edition. In recent years D&D has added half dragons, cat people, bunny people, turtle people and who knows what else.

Yeah.

D&D is now a furry game.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:


There are a LOT more than 4 flavors of D&D Hero:
* 2 sexes: male v female
* 7 races: human, elf, dwarf, gnome, halfling, half-elf, half-orc
* 9 classes: fighter, ranger, paladin, barbarian, cleric, druid, wizard, sorceror, thief.

That's 126 combinations, so there can be a vast number of waves to follow if this goes well.

A lot more than that, your races list is based on 1st edition. In recent years D&D has added half dragons, cat people, bunny people, turtle people and who knows what else.

Yeah.

D&D is now a furry game.

Remember when sexual fetishes were something you explored in your private life rather than making them part of your public identity?

*zips hooded top all the way up and pretends to be asleep*

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

There are a LOT more than 4 flavors of D&D Hero:
* 2 sexes: male v female
* 7 races: human, elf, dwarf, gnome, halfling, half-elf, half-orc
* 9 classes: fighter, ranger, paladin, barbarian, cleric, druid, wizard, sorceror, thief.

That's 126 combinations, so there can be a vast number of waves to follow if this goes well.

A lot more than that, your races list is based on 1st edition. In recent years D&D has added half dragons, cat people, bunny people, turtle people and who knows what else.

Yeah.

D&D is now a furry game.

I last played 3E, when D&D was still Tolkienesque in theme, hence barbarian & half-orc.

I'm not surprised that D&D has changed with the times to be 'more inclusive'. LOL

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

I'm not surprised that D&D has changed with the times to be 'more inclusive'. LOL

As ekwatts alluded to, it's more about really kinky nerd sexting.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

I'm not surprised that D&D has changed with the times to be 'more inclusive'. LOL

As ekwatts alluded to, it's more about really kinky nerd sexting.

Yeah, it isn't at all about "inclusivity". D&D was always inclusive. Infinitely so. D&D inherently doesn't care in the slightest if you're black, female, gay, and never has. You might even argue that that is the whole point of it.

What I'm talking about is the way certain fetishes have been transformed into "lifestyle choices". By extension, I guess, once you get your own statline in D&D, you've really made it!

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

A lot more than that, your races list is based on 1st edition. In recent years D&D has added half dragons, cat people, bunny people, turtle people and who knows what else.

Yeah.

D&D is now a furry game.

I actually enjoy the addition of tortles. The others, not so much. I just can't figure out why they decided to make the playable humanoid analog of one of the longest living land animals an incredibly short lived race except to "subvert expectations".