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I hadnt seen the stuff for the 1ksons, or I just skipped over it. That sounds very brutal, very brutal.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
I hadnt seen the stuff for the 1ksons, or I just skipped over it. That sounds very brutal, very brutal.

Oh im excited, granted interceptor is really good now, so you will have to eat that, which i think a lot of people are going to learn very quickly the importance of taking Auspex scanners to get free intercepts, but there is a lot of wombo combos that a lot of the legions can do.

Right now outta all of them shown/seen, UM and RG seem to be the most....meh, option out there. but still plenty to come, we have not seen any of the knight rules either which im interested, all we know so far is that knights cant perform reactions against infantry. only other super heavies, which idk how i feel about that, i think thats going to make them super super weak.

I think there will be a few items of Wargear that will end up being taken alot as we have more of a chance to look through all of it.

Im sure the RG and UM will get some bump in the final edition, the UM particularly are weaker with their LA Rule. The RG one seems fine.


That's curious for Knights, though Im sure the different types will likely have upgrades that allow them to.

Yeah, i really hope, and from the looks of what they are keeping with marines i think they will, keep the pilot system for the knight. Though with all the guts to AP in the game, which is for the better, im wondering how nights will be since all their AP is probably gonna be sitting on AP4 with breaching and rending

Huh, didn’t see crimson guard. Does that mean I could deepstrike in a max unit of lerneans with my warlord with the one trait to mix up iron hands/sons of Horus, whichever ones are the -1 strength and -1 strength to shooting anyways, to have a unit of lerneans (already very strong), at basically -2 strength against em in combat?, it’s 65 points per PF lerneans but they’re ws5 and have it will not die.

 Some_Call_Me_Tim wrote:
Huh, didn’t see crimson guard. Does that mean I could deepstrike in a max unit of lerneans with my warlord with the one trait to mix up iron hands/sons of Horus, whichever ones are the -1 strength and -1 strength to shooting anyways, to have a unit of lerneans (already very strong), at basically -2 strength against em in combat?, it’s 65 points per PF lerneans but they’re ws5 and have it will not die.

No, crimson guard is Tsons only RoW, restrictions are no allies allowed, have to have either magnus or a preator.

I expect the traitor stuff will be getting toned down.
They're all phase 1 and generally substantially more powerful than the stuff seen in phase 3.
So it seems likely they've toned the crazy down over time.

 kirotheavenger wrote:
I expect the traitor stuff will be getting toned down.
They're all phase 1 and generally substantially more powerful than the stuff seen in phase 3.
So it seems likely they've toned the crazy down over time.

Now this i fully expect tbh.

Taking crimson guard for example, i expect it to be, "Only terminators get deep strike" rather then just 6 units with infantry get it. I also expect their plasma to be breaching 4, rather then rending 6.

I think phase 1 gives us a good idea where they are headed.

I hope alpha legion isn’t messed with at all, their power already is directly proportional to the power of other legions.

Alpha Legion are a "we're the best bits of everyone else, plus our own awesome stuff".

Which doesn't fit right with me. I get they're the clandestine sleeper agent type shtique, but there's a limit imo.

 kirotheavenger wrote:
Alpha Legion are a "we're the best bits of everyone else, plus our own awesome stuff".

Which doesn't fit right with me. I get they're the clandestine sleeper agent type shtique, but there's a limit imo.

I think a cool gimmick for them, and granted this is going to be like, some early 40k era type rules.


If they could pay for a character that can be inserted into your enemies unit, and you select which unit at the start of the game, write it down on a piece of paper, then any time that unit ends its movement phase near something you can make a reaction to sabatoge either that unit or a unit its near to either do damage or cause something like crew stunned, and you have to pass a ld check to do it, then like an initiative check to see if you stay in cover, and your opponent has to guess which unit has the spy in it. at the end of each turn, and if they guess right, it pops out.

I prefered the flexibility they had in approaching the battlefield in HH1e, with the old Mutable Tactics and with Rewards of Treason being something they needed a RoW for.

I look at the Alpha Legion changes from a different perspective: I can get a taste of how other Legions play to see if I should continue collecting them.

I'm planning on playing it. Starting to rejoin the Warhammer community after a long hiatus.

 ShatteredBlade wrote:
I'm planning on playing it. Starting to rejoin the Warhammer community after a long hiatus.

same, with the combo of covid killing my ability to play games in my area, and my general distain for 9th, i basically did not do anything for 2 years, and now that HH is coming back with what are basically 7.5 ed rules, it kicked my desires into over drive to get back into it again, painting, hobbing and playing like never before.

 Backspacehacker wrote:

 ShatteredBlade wrote:
I'm planning on playing it. Starting to rejoin the Warhammer community after a long hiatus.

same, with the combo of covid killing my ability to play games in my area, and my general distain for 9th, i basically did not do anything for 2 years, and now that HH is coming back with what are basically 7.5 ed rules, it kicked my desires into over drive to get back into it again, painting, hobbing and playing like never before.

Same here! I hopped to a few stores around here trying to find Vallejo Gunship Green. No luck.

If you're doing that for Sons of Horus, I saw a really great Praetor with Reaper MSP's Pale Lichen. That's what I'm planning to use.

Dug through the leaks and that idea of running the 3rd Company rite of war to pick Kakophoni as troop options has me sold on Emperor's Children. Looking forward to getting started with 30k. It's a shame MKVI armor isn't appropriate for them (as far as I can tell digging through the disparate lore sources).

Why is it not appropriate?

Was it not fairly rare, even in the waning days of the heresy? Or is that outdated lore?

There is a new edition afoot, not even the Siege of Terra is retcon-proof.

Well on the one hand I'm never a fan of retcons but, on the other hand, some of my earliest Warhammer memories pre-playing were beakie marines. Also the new box seems like an insanely good deal in terms of the amount of tacs you get, so I guess I'll just roll with it.

 AdmiralRon wrote:
Was it not fairly rare, even in the waning days of the heresy? Or is that outdated lore?

By the late stages (12-14.M31) it had become widespread so there's no reason for it to not be used. In fact the reason a lot of CSM armour is similar (albeit heavily corrupted) to MkVI is because that's what many of the Traitors were equipped with after they fled Terra.


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 Hairesy wrote:
There is a new edition afoot, not even the Siege of Terra is retcon-proof.

Show me where it said MkVI wasn't prevalent in the Legions prior to the advancement of the HH timeline into the later stages of the conflict that are coinciding with the new edition.

Mk.VI armour available is a whole can of worms.

In brief, the OG lore said that Mk.VI was the predominant mark.
Then when HH became it's own game and they fleshed it all out a lot more, they established Mk.VI as a rare and somewhat specialised armour.
Now they've gone back to and even expanded upon the idea that Mk.VI is everywhere and the most common.

Ah I see. Thanks for the clarification everyone! This setting runs so deep and for so many years that it can be hard for me to keep the information straight sometimes.

A simple way to look at it is this:
"Shut up these are My Dudes they have the armour that exists at the time, go lick a hedgehog."
That will solve all your HH armour problems

 kirotheavenger wrote:
Mk.VI armour available is a whole can of worms.

In brief, the OG lore said that Mk.VI was the predominant mark.
Then when HH became it's own game and they fleshed it all out a lot more, they established Mk.VI as a rare and somewhat specialised armour.
Now they've gone back to and even expanded upon the idea that Mk.VI is everywhere and the most common.

If anything it just confirms what i said before, they are just molding mionor lore bits like this to help push new things.

HOWEVER, you can look at it another way, in that one of the big points of 40k is that information has always been chaotic and skewed, so minior lore bits like this being changed back and forth actually itself is canonically true, sorta like....meta lore? i guess?
Just like how the duel between the emperor and horus bounced back and forth between being on his flag ship vs being in a bunker.

 Gert wrote:

 AdmiralRon wrote:
Was it not fairly rare, even in the waning days of the heresy? Or is that outdated lore?

By the late stages (12-14.M31) it had become widespread so there's no reason for it to not be used. In fact the reason a lot of CSM armour is similar (albeit heavily corrupted) to MkVI is because that's what many of the Traitors were equipped with after they fled Terra.


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 Hairesy wrote:
There is a new edition afoot, not even the Siege of Terra is retcon-proof.

Show me where it said MkVI wasn't prevalent in the Legions prior to the advancement of the HH timeline into the later stages of the conflict that are coinciding with the new edition.

I was joking about things getting retconned that we normally take for granted. I don't really know what the story is with Mk6, people say it's the original PA from Rogue Trader, that was before my time.

 Gert wrote:
A simple way to look at it is this:
"Shut up these are My Dudes they have the armour that exists at the time, go lick a hedgehog."
That will solve all your HH armour problems

Now that's an attitude I can get behind.

 Gert wrote:
A simple way to look at it is this:
"Shut up these are My Dudes they have the armour that exists at the time, go lick a hedgehog."
That will solve all your HH armour problems

The models may be yours, the setting isn't, and this is disrespectful. That's exactly the kind of behavior we don't need in 30k. But apparently with this new edition, we are going to get plenty of that