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Tyranid607 wrote:
Model in a unit with + 1 WS whisky the bearer is alive


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zamerion wrote:
Tyranids thanks for all the info!!


Can you said what do the cult icon in each unit? and if the acolyte iconward feel no pain is acumulative with other acolytes iconwards?

Actually only aberrant got feel no pain in the whole unit, so it is +1 to aberrant and 6+ to others

Sweet for acolytes weapon skill 5 and with the brood cycle formation the get to WS 6. Craze good.


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 tetrisphreak wrote:
Does the sacred cult icon the iconward carries grant anything additional to the +1 WS a standard cult icon grants?

Yes FNP 6+. with in 12" +1 if you have FNP already. Nice for aberrant units the get a 4+.

In the Brood cycle formaton he get a exra attack to what ever unit he is in and his effect is 24" not 12".

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Does the sacred cult icon the iconward carries grant anything additional to the +1 WS a standard cult icon grants?

Scared Cult banter does not gain +1ws, instead it gains furious charge within 12"

shadowfinder wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Does the sacred cult icon the iconward carries grant anything additional to the +1 WS a standard cult icon grants?

Yes FNP 6+. with in 12"

In the Brood cycle formaton he get a exra attack to what ever unit he is in and his effect is 24" not 12".

I think the better way to ask the question is, what does the Sacred Cult Banner do?

We know the Cult Icon gives +1WS, but that is not what the Iconward is equipped with, and the FNP is granted by the Nexus of Devotion rule, nothing to do with the Sacred Cult Banner itself.

 minionboy wrote:

shadowfinder wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Does the sacred cult icon the iconward carries grant anything additional to the +1 WS a standard cult icon grants?

Yes FNP 6+. with in 12"

In the Brood cycle formaton he get a exra attack to what ever unit he is in and his effect is 24" not 12".

I think the better way to ask the question is, what does the Sacred Cult Banner do?

We know the Cult Icon gives +1WS, but that is not what the Iconward is equipped with, and the FNP is granted by the Nexus of Devotion rule, nothing to do with the Sacred Cult Banner itself.

Answered above

For a second, I thought the Aberrants were required for the GSC Detachment. Gladly, that isn't the case. Though I wouldn't be surprised if the price of the DWOK GSC sprue prices to skyrocket.

Overall, I am more impressed with with this Codex than I have been for any of the other more recent offerings. Deathwatch will be fun, but not nearly as much as GSC looks fun. Certainly it isn't the giant disappointment that the Blood Angels supplement was, and it looks a lot better than Traitor's Hate. Whoever was responsible for this book definitely has their head screwed on straight. Definitely a far cry from Angel's Blade.

I think I will go for First curse + Brood Cycle + subterranean uprising for a 1500pts army
Add a leman Russ if necessary

It is nice to fight tau/necron with these unit

Tyranid607 wrote:
I think I will go for First curse + Brood Cycle + subterranean uprising for a 1500pts army
Add a leman Russ if necessary

It is nice to fight tau/necron with these unit

Yeah, I'm having a hard time choosing between Brood Cycle and the Neophyte Cavalcade... Armored Sentinels that restore D6 casualties each time they disappear is pretty damn epic.

 minionboy wrote:

Tyranid607 wrote:
I think I will go for First curse + Brood Cycle + subterranean uprising for a 1500pts army
Add a leman Russ if necessary

It is nice to fight tau/necron with these unit

Yeah, I'm having a hard time choosing between Brood Cycle and the Neophyte Cavalcade... Armored Sentinels that restore D6 casualties each time they disappear is pretty damn epic.

I have a feeling that the cavalcade will be better competitively, if nothing else because it is less restrictive and the auxiliary formations are much better (IMO).

I just am not a fan of sentinels, so unless I find a killer conversion/counts as I'll likely just use the Brood Cycle.

Tyranid, The subterranean uprising formation said, that when any primus join a unit of this formation, or said that if the primus of this formation join a unit of this formation (rolls 3 dice) ?

Thanks

Tyranid607 wrote:
I think I will go for First curse + Brood Cycle + subterranean uprising for a 1500pts army
Add a leman Russ if necessary

It is nice to fight tau/necron with these unit

With units bare bone and with upgraded HQ you can get First curse Brood cycle, Doting throng, and the Subterranean Uprising for less then 1200 points. that leaves with a lot of upgrade option or unit size increase's. Pulse you get every bubble factor in the book.

That is a lot of units and you have points left over. That's just Crazy good.

At 1850 you can add two Flyrants for anti air as well.

This new army is scary.

 minionboy wrote:

Tyranid607 wrote:
I think I will go for First curse + Brood Cycle + subterranean uprising for a 1500pts army
Add a leman Russ if necessary

It is nice to fight tau/necron with these unit

Yeah, I'm having a hard time choosing between Brood Cycle and the Neophyte Cavalcade... Armored Sentinels that restore D6 casualties each time they disappear is pretty damn epic.

I don't think you can restore D6 to Sentinels, it only gain cult ambush to sentinels, which is for deploy
It lacks of return to shadow(disappear)

I picked up two sentinels on the cheap, now I just need 1 more chimera and I can run an army of these dudes. Not a fan of the sentinels, but they can just hide and grab objectives, take pot-shots at stuff, and undoubtedly give up first blood.

Tyranid607 wrote:

 minionboy wrote:

Tyranid607 wrote:
I think I will go for First curse + Brood Cycle + subterranean uprising for a 1500pts army
Add a leman Russ if necessary

It is nice to fight tau/necron with these unit

Yeah, I'm having a hard time choosing between Brood Cycle and the Neophyte Cavalcade... Armored Sentinels that restore D6 casualties each time they disappear is pretty damn epic.

I don't think you can restore D6 to Sentinels, it only gain cult ambush to sentinels, which is for deploy
It lacks of return to shadow(disappear)

Oh, very good point!

zamerion wrote:
Tyranid, The subterranean uprising formation said, that when any primus join a unit of this formation, or said that if the primus of this formation join a unit of this formation (rolls 3 dice) ?

Thanks

subterranean uprising
All unit in this formation must infiltrate during deployment and setup using Cult ambush rule. when rolling the table, roll 2 dice instead of 1 and choose either of the result

If a unit in this formation has been joined by a Primus, you can roll 3 dice and select any of the result



This is what's been posted so far. So it looks like you can get a cad and get it or a few more Primus to make this formation better.

zamerion wrote:
Tyranid, The subterranean uprising formation said, that when any primus join a unit of this formation, or said that if the primus of this formation join a unit of this formation (rolls 3 dice) ?

Thanks

If unit of this formation has been join but a Prumis

shadowfinder wrote:

zamerion wrote:
Tyranid, The subterranean uprising formation said, that when any primus join a unit of this formation, or said that if the primus of this formation join a unit of this formation (rolls 3 dice) ?

Thanks

subterranean uprising
All unit in this formation must infiltrate during deployment and setup using Cult ambush rule. when rolling the table, roll 2 dice instead of 1 and choose either of the result

If a unit in this formation has been joined by a Primus, you can roll 3 dice and select any of the result



This is what's been posted so far. So it looks like you can get a cad and get it or a few more Primus to make this formation better. doesn't hurt that you get a OS troops too by doing this.

 luke1705 wrote:

 minionboy wrote:

Tyranid607 wrote:
I think I will go for First curse + Brood Cycle + subterranean uprising for a 1500pts army
Add a leman Russ if necessary

It is nice to fight tau/necron with these unit

Yeah, I'm having a hard time choosing between Brood Cycle and the Neophyte Cavalcade... Armored Sentinels that restore D6 casualties each time they disappear is pretty damn epic.

I have a feeling that the cavalcade will be better competitively, if nothing else because it is less restrictive and the auxiliary formations are much better (IMO).

I just am not a fan of sentinels, so unless I find a killer conversion/counts as I'll likely just use the Brood Cycle.

People keep saying the cavalcade is gonna be better than the cycle, but I'm not seeing it really - they're almost the same points bare, 400 for the cycle and 390 for the cavalcade. The cavalcade gives you 4 vehicles, which is nice, but the cycle gets you a tasty 24" 6+ FNP bubble, and plays well to the MSU nature of the army. +1 WS isn't awful either. I'm not saying I think cycle is miles better, but I don't see the difference really! Unless ofc you're trying to save your acolytes and metamorph models for the subterranean formation, but in a vacuum with unlimited models I think they're similar

Benlisted wrote:

 luke1705 wrote:

 minionboy wrote:

Tyranid607 wrote:
I think I will go for First curse + Brood Cycle + subterranean uprising for a 1500pts army
Add a leman Russ if necessary

It is nice to fight tau/necron with these unit

Yeah, I'm having a hard time choosing between Brood Cycle and the Neophyte Cavalcade... Armored Sentinels that restore D6 casualties each time they disappear is pretty damn epic.

I have a feeling that the cavalcade will be better competitively, if nothing else because it is less restrictive and the auxiliary formations are much better (IMO).

I just am not a fan of sentinels, so unless I find a killer conversion/counts as I'll likely just use the Brood Cycle.

People keep saying the cavalcade is gonna be better than the cycle, but I'm not seeing it really - they're almost the same points bare, 400 for the cycle and 390 for the cavalcade. The cavalcade gives you 4 vehicles, which is nice, but the cycle gets you a tasty 24" 6+ FNP bubble, and plays well to the MSU nature of the army. +1 WS isn't awful either. I'm not saying I think cycle is miles better, but I don't see the difference really! Unless ofc you're trying to save your acolytes and metamorph models for the subterranean formation, but in a vacuum with unlimited models I think they're similar

Yeah, just scratching together some lists, despite everything being so cheap, points go fast when you want a First Curse and 3 Leman Russ Exterminators, hahaha.

Benlisted wrote:

 luke1705 wrote:

 minionboy wrote:

Tyranid607 wrote:
I think I will go for First curse + Brood Cycle + subterranean uprising for a 1500pts army
Add a leman Russ if necessary

It is nice to fight tau/necron with these unit

Yeah, I'm having a hard time choosing between Brood Cycle and the Neophyte Cavalcade... Armored Sentinels that restore D6 casualties each time they disappear is pretty damn epic.

I have a feeling that the cavalcade will be better competitively, if nothing else because it is less restrictive and the auxiliary formations are much better (IMO).

I just am not a fan of sentinels, so unless I find a killer conversion/counts as I'll likely just use the Brood Cycle.

People keep saying the cavalcade is gonna be better than the cycle, but I'm not seeing it really - they're almost the same points bare, 400 for the cycle and 390 for the cavalcade. The cavalcade gives you 4 vehicles, which is nice, but the cycle gets you a tasty 24" 6+ FNP bubble, and plays well to the MSU nature of the army. +1 WS isn't awful either. I'm not saying I think cycle is miles better, but I don't see the difference really! Unless ofc you're trying to save your acolytes and metamorph models for the subterranean formation, but in a vacuum with unlimited models I think they're similar

I actually didn't do the math. Since you're not saving points, the cavalcade brings a different element to the army (armor) but tbh I don't see the need. (Yes this is me changing my mind 100% and agreeing with you haha - the fluid nature of a new codex). Especially in an era where anti-tank is almost definitely necessary on some level, having no models with an amazing armor save and no armor whatsoever really makes it so that the enemy's high strength/low AP shots will be wasted.

I think the only real trick is figuring out which upgrades are optimal. These guys have so many options it's awesome. Especially the acolytes (or was it the neophytes?), who have a lot of special weapons options (2 per 5 is great on such a cheap squad - 4 in a squad of 10 looks incredible).

Tyranid607 wrote:

 minionboy wrote:

Tyranid607 wrote:
I think I will go for First curse + Brood Cycle + subterranean uprising for a 1500pts army
Add a leman Russ if necessary

It is nice to fight tau/necron with these unit

Yeah, I'm having a hard time choosing between Brood Cycle and the Neophyte Cavalcade... Armored Sentinels that restore D6 casualties each time they disappear is pretty damn epic.

I don't think you can restore D6 to Sentinels, it only gain cult ambush to sentinels, which is for deploy
It lacks of return to shadow(disappear)

Actually, how does that work then? They don't have Infiltration, so cannot deploy using the rule... So you'd have to hold them in reserves to use it?

 minionboy wrote:

Spoiler:

Benlisted wrote:

 luke1705 wrote:

 minionboy wrote:

Tyranid607 wrote:
I think I will go for First curse + Brood Cycle + subterranean uprising for a 1500pts army
Add a leman Russ if necessary

It is nice to fight tau/necron with these unit

Yeah, I'm having a hard time choosing between Brood Cycle and the Neophyte Cavalcade... Armored Sentinels that restore D6 casualties each time they disappear is pretty damn epic.

I have a feeling that the cavalcade will be better competitively, if nothing else because it is less restrictive and the auxiliary formations are much better (IMO).

I just am not a fan of sentinels, so unless I find a killer conversion/counts as I'll likely just use the Brood Cycle.

People keep saying the cavalcade is gonna be better than the cycle, but I'm not seeing it really - they're almost the same points bare, 400 for the cycle and 390 for the cavalcade. The cavalcade gives you 4 vehicles, which is nice, but the cycle gets you a tasty 24" 6+ FNP bubble, and plays well to the MSU nature of the army. +1 WS isn't awful either. I'm not saying I think cycle is miles better, but I don't see the difference really! Unless ofc you're trying to save your acolytes and metamorph models for the subterranean formation, but in a vacuum with unlimited models I think they're similar

Yeah, just scratching together some lists, despite everything being so cheap, points go fast when you want a First Curse and 3 Leman Russ Exterminators, hahaha.

I think you mean two first curse formations haha

Benlisted wrote:

 luke1705 wrote:

 minionboy wrote:

Tyranid607 wrote:
I think I will go for First curse + Brood Cycle + subterranean uprising for a 1500pts army
Add a leman Russ if necessary

It is nice to fight tau/necron with these unit

Yeah, I'm having a hard time choosing between Brood Cycle and the Neophyte Cavalcade... Armored Sentinels that restore D6 casualties each time they disappear is pretty damn epic.

I have a feeling that the cavalcade will be better competitively, if nothing else because it is less restrictive and the auxiliary formations are much better (IMO).

I just am not a fan of sentinels, so unless I find a killer conversion/counts as I'll likely just use the Brood Cycle.

People keep saying the cavalcade is gonna be better than the cycle, but I'm not seeing it really - they're almost the same points bare, 400 for the cycle and 390 for the cavalcade. The cavalcade gives you 4 vehicles, which is nice, but the cycle gets you a tasty 24" 6+ FNP bubble, and plays well to the MSU nature of the army. +1 WS isn't awful either. I'm not saying I think cycle is miles better, but I don't see the difference really! Unless ofc you're trying to save your acolytes and metamorph models for the subterranean formation, but in a vacuum with unlimited models I think they're similar

Also the chimeras are kinda dead points? Not much use for those.

Benlisted wrote:

 luke1705 wrote:

 minionboy wrote:

Tyranid607 wrote:
I think I will go for First curse + Brood Cycle + subterranean uprising for a 1500pts army
Add a leman Russ if necessary

It is nice to fight tau/necron with these unit

Yeah, I'm having a hard time choosing between Brood Cycle and the Neophyte Cavalcade... Armored Sentinels that restore D6 casualties each time they disappear is pretty damn epic.

I have a feeling that the cavalcade will be better competitively, if nothing else because it is less restrictive and the auxiliary formations are much better (IMO).

I just am not a fan of sentinels, so unless I find a killer conversion/counts as I'll likely just use the Brood Cycle.

People keep saying the cavalcade is gonna be better than the cycle, but I'm not seeing it really - they're almost the same points bare, 400 for the cycle and 390 for the cavalcade. The cavalcade gives you 4 vehicles, which is nice, but the cycle gets you a tasty 24" 6+ FNP bubble, and plays well to the MSU nature of the army. +1 WS isn't awful either. I'm not saying I think cycle is miles better, but I don't see the difference really! Unless ofc you're trying to save your acolytes and metamorph models for the subterranean formation, but in a vacuum with unlimited models I think they're similar

Cavalcade tax is 2 chimera, which I don't think it does any good this to army

 minionboy wrote:

Tyranid607 wrote:

 minionboy wrote:

Tyranid607 wrote:
I think I will go for First curse + Brood Cycle + subterranean uprising for a 1500pts army
Add a leman Russ if necessary

It is nice to fight tau/necron with these unit

Yeah, I'm having a hard time choosing between Brood Cycle and the Neophyte Cavalcade... Armored Sentinels that restore D6 casualties each time they disappear is pretty damn epic.

I don't think you can restore D6 to Sentinels, it only gain cult ambush to sentinels, which is for deploy
It lacks of return to shadow(disappear)

Actually, how does that work then? They don't have Infiltration, so cannot deploy using the rule... So you'd have to hold them in reserves to use it?

They gain infiltrate as a command benefit from the super detachment. But to regain, you need return to shadow.

 minionboy wrote:

Tyranid607 wrote:

 minionboy wrote:

Tyranid607 wrote:
I think I will go for First curse + Brood Cycle + subterranean uprising for a 1500pts army
Add a leman Russ if necessary

It is nice to fight tau/necron with these unit

Yeah, I'm having a hard time choosing between Brood Cycle and the Neophyte Cavalcade... Armored Sentinels that restore D6 casualties each time they disappear is pretty damn epic.

I don't think you can restore D6 to Sentinels, it only gain cult ambush to sentinels, which is for deploy
It lacks of return to shadow(disappear)

Actually, how does that work then? They don't have Infiltration, so cannot deploy using the rule... So you'd have to hold them in reserves to use it?

Hold them in reserve. They come in on a 2+ and then you've got a 4/6 chance to put them prettymuch wherever.

Icon in every unit give +1 WS. In the Brood cycle that makes everyone WS 6 if the are with in 6" of each other.

I can get over WS6 acolytes in the Brood Cycle is crazyfor 8 point model. Everytime I look at things I have a hard time with how to set up.

It is crazy the amount of good builds I am coming across with this army.

 luke1705 wrote:

 minionboy wrote:

Tyranid607 wrote:

 minionboy wrote:

Tyranid607 wrote:
I think I will go for First curse + Brood Cycle + subterranean uprising for a 1500pts army
Add a leman Russ if necessary

It is nice to fight tau/necron with these unit

Yeah, I'm having a hard time choosing between Brood Cycle and the Neophyte Cavalcade... Armored Sentinels that restore D6 casualties each time they disappear is pretty damn epic.

I don't think you can restore D6 to Sentinels, it only gain cult ambush to sentinels, which is for deploy
It lacks of return to shadow(disappear)

Actually, how does that work then? They don't have Infiltration, so cannot deploy using the rule... So you'd have to hold them in reserves to use it?

They gain infiltrate as a command benefit from the super detachment. But to regain, you need return to shadow.

Sure, not talking about regain, and unfortunately they do not gain Infiltrate as they are not non-vehicles.

Also only non vehicles gain infiltrate in the insurrection.

Ninja'd

I am seriously calculating how many unit I have to buy lol
Luckily I can get this model less than the UK listed price

Lots. We will need lots of units.

Start converting ork boyz into acolyte hybrids.