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Apparently while not always logical fluff-wise, it appears Apocalypse lets you use different armies/codexes together.  That being the case, what are some interesting combinations that this de-limitation enables?

Eldar Farseer w/ Doom + Sisters of Battle w/ Divine Guidance and Flamers
Eldar Farseer w/ Fortune + Sisters of Battle w/ Spirit of the Martyr (or) + Imperial Guard w/ Cameleoline

I suppose there would be a lot of powers that could combine with Genestealers.

What are some of the things you're cooking up?
                               

why even mix armys
6-10 fzorglers 20-30 oblits.
for you can't shoot what's in close combat

Until we know the strategems -- who knows? What if there is a strategem that uses the night rules? Long range shooting HS instantly nerfed, etc

I'd have expected any special army rules would affect only that race's models, e.g. Eldar rules would affect eldar models but not Sisters of Battle (or any other non-eldar) in the same army. Otherwise there will be some nutso combinations.

Doom will work in combination with other units. Guide and fortune specificaly state that they must target eldar units. I play in a lot of team games so this has come up often.

I'd just run 20 monoliths. If you have zero necrons, does that mean you're at 100% of your number of necrons or 0%?

hahahah, that is a good one, i guess you cant get them below phase out, so they cant pahse out....did I make any sense on that one?

I'm looking forward to the all flyrant/gunfex army as well. hurr.

10 flying tyrants with psychic scream, 10 dakkafexes and 10 gunfexes.

Apparently none of you get that this is supposed to be fun for both players...

Unless the Flyrant/Gunfex army takes on the Fzorgle-Prince/Obit army, that might actually be fun...

Ozymandias, King of Kings

You mean neither player. They have to buy and paint a ridiculous amount of duplicate models just to be able to cheese in a game that's inherently designed for casuals.

Posted By Therion on 08/24/2007 5:09 PM

Apparently none of you get that this is supposed to be fun for both players...

You mean neither player. They have to buy and paint a ridiculous amount of duplicate models just to be able to cheese in a game that's inherently designed for casuals.

Unless you go for units that require no models!

Witch hunters:

30 orbital lance strikes
10 callidus assasins.

Ozy: I'm sure this thread is just a theorectical exercise.
But hey, if they want to play with this stuff and their opponent doesn't want to, all he has to say is no.

In a 3000 point game? 30 Dark Eldar Warrior sniper squads. 60 BS4 Dark Lances ftw!

Plus, 100% troops has to be good for comp right?

Posted By puree on 08/24/2007 5:24 PM

Posted By Therion on 08/24/2007 5:09 PM

Apparently none of you get that this is supposed to be fun for both players...

You mean neither player. They have to buy and paint a ridiculous amount of duplicate models just to be able to cheese in a game that's inherently designed for casuals.

Unless you go for units that require no models!

Witch hunters:

30 orbital lance strikes
10 callidus assasins.

Would you still have to field an Inquisitor to get assassins?  I like the all orbital strike army.  Cheapest army ever.

I am planning on taking some orbital strikes in Apoc. games with my Witch Hunters. Such a fun idea, such bad implementation if you can't take them in bulk. I figure 3-5 will be a good time, as well as points filler. Particularly since the idea of painting another Exorcist makes me shudder.

I wonder though if Apocalypse will allow for multiple assassins though. The codex's are pretty adamant about only taking one for any reason. I suppose there will be a few debates raging about it, unless Apocalypse makes a point to clarify.

Taking 10+ Callidus, you would have to bring a boom box with "Tootsie Roll"...

"To the front, to the front, to the left, to the left... now slide..." :-P

Alex, I'll take Orbital Strikes for 3000 please.

"My opponent called me a 'dick' upon learning that my Apocalypse list consisted of these..."

What are 42 Lance Strikes?

Posted By Da Boss on 08/24/2007 5:49 PM
Ozy: I'm sure this thread is just a theorectical exercise.
But hey, if they want to play with this stuff and their opponent doesn't want to, all he has to say is no.

Whatsa matter McFly?  Chicken?

Does the 'no force chart' thing get you around army restrictions? Could I field more than 3 Zoanthropes in list? More than 1 flyrant or broodlord?

I wonder if a list with nothing but Broodlords + min retinue could work. Infiltrate them all, theres gotta be some interesting strategems for that.

I think a list with nothing but Biovores with acid mines would be fun. You can get a lot of em for 3000 points. Don't put them in groups of 3, have each Biovore be a unit of 1. Hide as many as you can, and go to town dropping mines. There would be dozens of loose mines floating in the opponents zone.

What about a 3000 pt army composed of 37 lictors? Maybe throw in a bunch of Death Leapers to prevent overlap if there isnt much terrain.

That is exactly what it means.

And if you took othing but obliterators you would kick the crap out of everyone, but who in the hell is going to buy 50 obliterators, or 20 Falcons, or 15 abbadons, or whatever.

People are going to use what they have, which will most likely be a normal 2-3K army plus maybe a few extra tanks or special characters they have extra. I doubt too many people will build an army of just Flyrants as it would cost a ton and they would pretty much never ge tto use them.

the only "all something" army i could really see would be a huge armored company, or some nid players combing forces to make a nidzilla army of doom.

Posted By Abadabadoobaddon on 08/28/2007 9:16 PM

Alex, I'll take Orbital Strikes for 3000 please.

"My opponent called me a 'dick' upon learning that my Apocalypse list consisted of these..."

What are 42 Lance Strikes?

Posted By Da Boss on 08/24/2007 5:49 PM
Ozy: I'm sure this thread is just a theorectical exercise.
But hey, if they want to play with this stuff and their opponent doesn't want to, all he has to say is no.

Whatsa matter McFly?  Chicken?

I've been playing Orks for a decade...

Nobody...calls me...chicken!

*Hilarious sequence ensues, with Abby ending up in a pile of manure*

my combo for apoc is gonna be ork speed freaks and an ork dread mob ^ ^ with a stompa or two.

doesn't matter how much cheese you field, my army will be cooler and so will win by default xD

Posted By Reecius on 08/29/2007 9:06 AM

Does the 'no force chart' thing get you around army restrictions?

That is exactly what it means.

And if you took othing but obliterators you would kick the crap out of everyone, but who in the hell is going to buy 50 obliterators, or 20 Falcons, or 15 abbadons, or whatever.

Does it say that though?  I know you can ignore the force chart restrictions, but can you ignore army specific rules?  Is there a rule in the chaos codex that says 'You may only have X number of Obliterators, regardless of how many units you actually have', or is it just limited by the number of units times the max number of models per unit?  Cuz the way Zoanthropes and Biovores work is that you can select up to one unit of them (one heavy support choice), with that unit consisting of 1 to 3 separate models.  It says that a Tyranid army can't have more than one unit of Z/B, nor can they have more than 3 Z/B.  Normally, I wouldn't be able to field more than 3 Z/B no matter how many points I had.  Does this still apply in Apocalypse?

Aren't there rules that say you can only have one of a specific special character?  Only one Fabius Bile model, etc.  Do these rules remove that restriction as well?

Posted By hotflungwok on 08/29/2007 12:02 PM

Cuz the way Zoanthropes and Biovores work is that you can select up to one unit of them (one heavy support choice), with that unit consisting of 1 to 3 separate models.  ..... Does this still apply in Apocalypse?

Remember it is 0-1 per foc not per player, if there is no foc then there is no 0-1.

there is no force org, period.

you could have an army of 100 Abbadons if you so chose, or 25 carnifex or 1000 conscripts.

there are absolutely no restrictions other than the squad must abide by the rules for that squad, meaning, a spacemarine tac squad can have one heavy, one special, one vet sarge, be up to 10 men, etc.

you can put anything you want on the table.

Hmmmm... 75 Death Cult Assassins.... OUCH!! My painting hand just cramped!

Is there a general rule for Orbital/Preliminary/Roks From Space Bombardment such that all players can make use of them? It might be a little cheap if only Imperial players can say "Oh, yea, my last 700 points is made up of 10 lance strikes." Granted, that is 700 points of "meh" but en masse it might be really scary.

This thread is evil.

It was inevitable that a thread designed to cheese out apocalypse games would arrive, but I never expected it to be made BEFORE the book was printed and released to the public.

Yes, but what about requirements that are not from the Force Organization chart. Do you have to field an Inquisitor to field an Assassin? How about a Priest in order to field Penitent Engines and Arco-flagellants? Are those rules that must be abided by or can they be ignored as well?

yes everything is borken but remember the guy on the other side of the table is just as broken as you are so have fun with it.

 

you wanna do an entire army of various assisins?

enjoy yourself but don't be suprised when you run into an army of defilers. or somebody puts a dozen karhn the betrayers on the table.

from what jervice said you can put anything and everything on the table from your collection with no restricitons. it could get a little redundant but it could also be a blast.

 

 

you can ignore all of that. One game we played, Eldar Vs. Chaos, a guy came in and had 9 pentitant engines. He wanted to join the game, so he teamed up with the eldar and used each one as a sperate unit. There are no restrictions at all, only those you impose on yourself.

If you want an army consisting of each Phoenix lord, each assasin and one squad of Wyches, then go right ahead.

Posted By puree on 08/29/2007 2:04 PM
Remember it is 0-1 per foc not per player, if there is no foc then there is no 0-1.

Ok, that makes sense.  Kewl.

Now, 65 individual biovores w acid mines, or 185 acid mines deep struck as fast attack.

Posted By hotflungwok on 08/30/2007 9:00 AM

Now, 65 individual biovores w acid mines, or 185 acid mines deep struck as fast attack.

It would be like....playing in a mine field?