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**Vasarto**

So, this is GW releasing Titans as an official part of the game now?, instead of just ForgeWorld Apocalypse games?
So, what does GW plan on doing for the Imperitus Titan? You know, the titan whose scale model is suppose to be a Minimum of 6 ft tall?

**crumby_cataphract**

Vasarto wrote:
So, this is GW releasing Titans as an official part of the game now?, instead of just ForgeWorld Apocalypse games?
So, what does GW plan on doing for the Imperitus Titan? You know, the titan whose scale model is suppose to be a Minimum of 6 ft tall?

No. It's a stand-alone game.

**Chikout**

Vasarto wrote:
So, this is GW releasing Titans as an official part of the game now?, instead of just ForgeWorld Apocalypse games?
So, what does GW plan on doing for the Imperitus Titan? You know, the titan whose scale model is suppose to be a Minimum of 6 ft tall?

Umm. I think you got a bit confused. This game is at a different scale.

**TwilightSparkles**

Plus titans are already part of the 40k game as of 8th.

**schoon**

Dies anyone know or recall the suggested table size for Adeptus Titanicus? ...or is that undefined...

**MaxT**

schoon wrote:
Dies anyone know or recall the suggested table size for Adeptus Titanicus? ...or is that undefined...

4x4 has been mentioned.

**AndrewGPaul**

The rulebook says between 2'x 4' and 4' x 4'.

**tneva82**

AndrewGPaul wrote:
I was told they weren't sure if the Dominus would be suitable for AT, as quite a few of its weapon systems would be irrelevant (the shoulder-mounted cannons, for example). I wouldn't rule them out, but I expect we'll see the Forge World-designed chassis first.

Then again main guns are more relevant than normal knights.

**Ratius**

So, this is GW releasing Titans as an official part of the game now?, instead of just ForgeWorld Apocalypse games?
So, what does GW plan on doing for the Imperitus Titan? You know, the titan whose scale model is suppose to be a Minimum of 6 ft tall?

Your confusion had ME now second guessing the release

**Chopstick**

tneva82 wrote:
AndrewGPaul wrote:
I was told they weren't sure if the Dominus would be suitable for AT, as quite a few of its weapon systems would be irrelevant (the shoulder-mounted cannons, for example). I wouldn't rule them out, but I expect we'll see the Forge World-designed chassis first.

Then again main guns are more relevant than normal knights.

It'll be useful against other knights

. Or did they just spilled out the secret that knight play no role in this game, they're just decorating pieces on the field

All questoris guns are useless against titan armor and shield, only melee weapon would work.

**tneva82**

Chopstick wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
AndrewGPaul wrote:
I was told they weren't sure if the Dominus would be suitable for AT, as quite a few of its weapon systems would be irrelevant (the shoulder-mounted cannons, for example). I wouldn't rule them out, but I expect we'll see the Forge World-designed chassis first.

Then again main guns are more relevant than normal knights.

It'll be useful against other knights . Or did they just spilled out the secret that knight play no role in this game, they're just decorating pieces on the field

All questoris guns are useless against titan armor and shield, only melee weapon would work.

Have they said so? So far it's never been so in any incarnation before so would be quite a change. Especially when gw these days think enough lasg(ns will finish off imperator

**Chopstick**

tneva82 wrote:

Have they said so? So far it's never been so in any incarnation before so would be quite a change. Especially when gw these days think enough lasg(ns will finish off imperator

Nah, it's just some of the old rule or fluff that I remember. The titan ceramite plate is so good even melta weapons of smaller vehicle are ineffective.

I actually read some of the old 40k rule again and the plate is actually resistance against haywire, not melta. But all the Questoris guns except for the Thermal cannon is indeed useless against a Warlord Front and Side tho.

The Warhound also have thinner armor on the back. But still I found the most effective way to fight is hit them with the D

In that same rule the Dominus battle cannon would be a very good tool to bring down the shield or even damage a warhound in the back armor.

**Yodhrin**

They've said I think that Knights are pretty much just going to be skirmish/distraction units. Not much of a threat, but just enough of one to an already damaged or void-stripped Titan that flat-out ignoring them could go very badly.

I imagine until the bigger and more specialised chassis make an appearance they'll mostly be used as a way to divert the attention of Scout Titans - I imagine a couple of Lances of the basic Knights could pose a modest threat to a single Warhound even if it's still an uneven fight - or maybe as a disposable literal-roadblock to force an enemy to spend an activation clearing them out of the way.

Purely speculation of course, but I can see a single Lance of Knights being to a Warhound what a Warhound is to a Warlord; one-on-one an almost certain defeat for the smaller, but in the right circumstances with the right timing enough of a threat that deciding whether or not to deal with them when other targets are available will be an actual choice rather than a no-brainer.

**AndrewGPaul**

Owen Barnes did say that the demand for Knights has made them think about creating a Knight Household force list. At present, you basically make a core force of titans, then add one or two Knight lances as support formations. Instead, you could have the reverse - a force of several Knight lances backed up by a single titan.

**Mr Morden**

Overread wrote:
Personally I think things like Imperators and Xeno's are "not/never/may" happen because the don't want to be on record committing to making one when they don't know how the product is going to sell yet.

So I think Imperators WILL come IF it sells like mad. If it makes modest sales or its sales drop off fast or if it never takes off then they can end it with what they've got out now as a finished, just not viable long term project. If it does well I fully expect to see them advance it to the Heresy and see Chaos titans appear, both as parts upgrades and as full knights and titans (back in old Epic there were some cool Slaanesh knight scaled monsters). From there if it continued to do well I'd fully expect to see Ork, Eldar and Tyranid titan units appearing in the game.

Heck it if kept selling strong I'd wager we could see Dark Eldar, Necron and even Tau war engines appear in the game (in fact of all the current races Dark Eldar are the most likely to not end up with a titan scale unit, being as outside of sticking spikes on an Eldar one, they've never had one in any form*)

*Granted part of that is that Forgeworld appears to hate them/dislike them as all they've got is one upgrade kit and one single model. Tau on the other hand have several big knight sized war engines.

Ork and Eldar Walkers seem the most likely as both are heavily active in this time period and the Eldar do join the loyalists on a number of occasions - although they make it clear they are not fighting with the Imperium they are fighting against Horus.

**AndrewGPaul**

The suggestion was that expansions introducing alien factions might not necessarily be set during the Heresy, but that was an off the cuff discussion.

**Overread**

AndrewGPaul wrote:
The suggestion was that expansions introducing alien factions might not necessarily be set during the Heresy, but that was an off the cuff discussion.

I think if AT gets to a point where they are adding Xeno factions then they will advance the setting or release a "xeno expansion". One neat thing about Titans is that they basically don't change through time. They are huge ancient war walkers of death that generally remain the same design and structure*. They can keep all the Imperial designs and then just add Xenos in a few thousand years later.

I also love the idea of houses of knights, though suspect it will be rather like many subfactions. House Bob gets +1 close combat whilst House Dave is +1 ranged damage and House Steve is +1 to hit roles.

* Yes titans have actually changed a fair bit from their early days, esp some like the Warlord. However this is more sculpting advance/change. If anything the current designs are closer to the original older designs than some of the Epic 40K ones.

**Zenithfleet**

Gah, I knew thinking was a dangerous pastime...

I've mostly been contemplating the use of the new AT rules with my old (small) Epic minis.

But if I do find the temptation of the new embiggened models overwhelming, it's just occurred to me that I have a couple of Five Star Stories kits stashed in the cupboard that might just work for Eldar Titans.

OK, possibly more WFB High Elfy than space elfy, but I reckon they look neat.

I suspect they might be slightly too large for a Phantom or Warlock--but they'll be closer to the right scale with the new AT minis than any other game I've seen. (Which is why they've stayed in their boxes all these years, unloved and unappreciated.)

Don't mind me, just thinking aloud

**Bloodmaster**

Yodhrin wrote:
They've said I think that Knights are pretty much just going to be skirmish/distraction units. Not much of a threat, but just enough of one to an already damaged or void-stripped Titan that flat-out ignoring them could go very badly.

I imagine until the bigger and more specialised chassis make an appearance they'll mostly be used as a way to divert the attention of Scout Titans - I imagine a couple of Lances of the basic Knights could pose a modest threat to a single Warhound even if it's still an uneven fight - or maybe as a disposable literal-roadblock to force an enemy to spend an activation clearing them out of the way.

Purely speculation of course, but I can see a single Lance of Knights being to a Warhound what a Warhound is to a Warlord; one-on-one an almost certain defeat for the smaller, but in the right circumstances with the right timing enough of a threat that deciding whether or not to deal with them when other targets are available will be an actual choice rather than a no-brainer.

there are occasions in which several knights brought down titans when working together in the books - hell, there is even the case of huse devin bringign down an Imperator on Molech, although admittedly not without betrayl in the lower decks crews preventing emergancy protocols. The idea is that knights are a minor threat but when ignored are capable to outflank and out manouver titans, expecially the larger ones, and deliver surgically executed crippling blows leaving the bigger fishes in situations where your titans can bring them down quick and without geting into danger themselves.

**Yodhrin**

AndrewGPaul wrote:
Owen Barnes did say that the demand for Knights has made them think about creating a Knight Household force list. At present, you basically make a core force of titans, then add one or two Knight lances as support formations. Instead, you could have the reverse - a force of several Knight lances backed up by a single titan.

Well, I was intending to collect a whole Household in AT scale anyway(it's a lot easier to execute my idea of a generally middle eastern-themed House that uses Calligrams of mottoes in place of heraldry without offending anyone while being pretty much entirely ignorant of the language when you can just scribble tiny wee shapes that look vaguely correct

), so having an official list to use them all at once would be slick.

**General Helstrom**

Yodhrin wrote:
a generally middle eastern-themed House that uses Calligrams of mottoes in place of heraldry

Look, over there! Plastic Squats!

*steals idea and runs off giggling*

**Nurglitch**

So what do we know about the rules?

**insaniak**

Bloodmaster wrote:
... hell, there is even the case of huse devin bringign down an Imperator on Molech, ...

Of course they did. Because any time an Imperator shows up in BL fiction, it's going to die.

**schoon**

Concerning the utility of Knights, they've said that the bigger the titan, the smaller the mobility.

Conversely, the smaller the unit the greater the mobility.

They've said that smaller units working together can get into the larger titans' blind spots and cause havoc.

**MajorWesJanson**

insaniak wrote:
Bloodmaster wrote:
... hell, there is even the case of huse devin bringign down an Imperator on Molech, ...

Of course they did. Because any time an Imperator shows up in BL fiction, it's going to die.

I can only think of like 3 that haven't. Casus Belli (the original Imperator) came close in it's book, but is still alive. One that showed up for a parade in the Second Imperium at some point, and an unnamed one mentioned in one of the Armegeddon novels. The rest are all dead.

Ordinatus are even worse.

And GW is not adding titans to 40k, in fact they raised the points costs of all of them for no reason except to make them harder to take in matched play. 33% to 50% increases in points with no changes to the stats at all.

**jspyd3rx**

It's been said that HH era is intially the setting. Its obvious they'll expand to 40k. They wouldnt keep the same knights units, as nothing would change. So a 40k setting later must include xenos. Am I wrong to assume this?

**gorgon**

jspyd3rx wrote:
It's been said that HH era is intially the setting. Its obvious they'll expand to 40k. They wouldnt keep the same knights units, as nothing would change. So a 40k setting later must include xenos. Am I wrong to assume this?

They haven't promised moving into 40K though.

But the important thing to think about is that it's FW. If 40K titans aren't already in the works, it's going to be quite a while before we see them. There seems to be this idea that 40K titans are coming right on the heels of the 30K stuff. They spent a year moving three titans and the knights from resin to plastic. One would therefore think that 40K titans are probably a few years away.

**Mr Morden**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
insaniak wrote:
Bloodmaster wrote:
... hell, there is even the case of huse devin bringign down an Imperator on Molech, ...

Of course they did. Because any time an Imperator shows up in BL fiction, it's going to die.

I can only think of like 3 that haven't. Casus Belli (the original Imperator) came close in it's book, but is still alive. One that showed up for a parade in the Second Imperium at some point, and an unnamed one mentioned in one of the Armegeddon novels. The rest are all dead.

Ordinatus are even worse.

And GW is not adding titans to 40k, in fact they raised the points costs of all of them for no reason except to make them harder to take in matched play. 33% to 50% increases in points with no changes to the stats at all.

The Ordinatus in Helsreach is just fine, Storm Herald less so but not sure if it was salvagable - the Warlord that GodBreaker kills is returned to servicec 18 months later IRC so the Imperator may well be able to restored too?

**Overread**

gorgon wrote:
jspyd3rx wrote:
It's been said that HH era is intially the setting. Its obvious they'll expand to 40k. They wouldnt keep the same knights units, as nothing would change. So a 40k setting later must include xenos. Am I wrong to assume this?

They haven't promised moving into 40K though.

But the important thing to think about is that it's FW. If 40K titans aren't already in the works, it's going to be quite a while before we see them. There seems to be this idea that 40K titans are coming right on the heels of the 30K stuff. They spent a year moving three titans and the knights from resin to plastic. One would therefore think that 40K titans are probably a few years away.

If FW move AT from 30 to 40K then they won't really have to touch the titans. Titans are huge walking weapons that last through the ages. So they won't need to update them in any way. This means if they expand to 40K they only have to focus really on adding the Xeno factions - which would be the primary reason to move toward the 40K setting.

But that is all dreaming; right now we need a very solid release that sells strong. From there I expect to see more titans, more knights and Chaos variations/upgrades as well as weapon upgrades. After that we'll have to see if GW take it further.

**GoatboyBeta**

Past the known releases(Knights, Warlord, Reaver and Warhound) I'm really excited about the possibility of new Titan patterns.