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I think Spyrers were mentioned in one of those Twitch streams at some point, that if/when they return, they'll be quite different (mainly due to the power level... although starting with high stats is exactly what we're already seeing in Newcromunda, so it would be surprising if they considered that a sticking point). Been a while though, so don't quote me on this. I like the concept in terms of fluff and those wargear options, but the execution could do with some changes. I certainly would enjoy seeing this version:

 Jadenim wrote:
It would be great if they did them like an Edwardian hunting party; one or two actual Spyrers, plus a load of hangers-on. Armourers, loaders, the butler, a “native” guide, floozy with parasol, etc. A bit like the old-school inquisitorial acolytes.

Would both make for interesting gameplay and a lot of great modelling options.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
I think Spyrers were mentioned in one of those Twitch streams at some point, that if/when they return, they'll be quite different (mainly due to the power level... although starting with high stats is exactly what we're already seeing in Newcromunda, so it would be surprising if they considered that a sticking point). Been a while though, so don't quote me on this. I like the concept in terms of fluff and those wargear options, but the execution could do with some changes. I certainly would enjoy seeing this version:

 Jadenim wrote:
It would be great if they did them like an Edwardian hunting party; one or two actual Spyrers, plus a load of hangers-on. Armourers, loaders, the butler, a “native” guide, floozy with parasol, etc. A bit like the old-school inquisitorial acolytes.

Would both make for interesting gameplay and a lot of great modelling options.

It does make you wonder if the irony of people that get EXTREMELY UPSET at aesthetic changes to small plastic figures then complaining about the whinging of a "vocal minority" is being lost on some people.

What I would like to point out is that I'm an old-timer from the 90s for whom Necromunda was THE tabletop game for me. Its gradual decline was very sad for me.

Now we have a new ruleset, new figures, new gangs, etc. This is great for me as not only can I buy new, up to date figures that look great (and are more customisable as they're plastic (though I don't consider myself a slouch when it comes to metal figures...)), but there are also new players, too. Wonderful. It's not a core game so some stuff is Forgeworld, and updates obviously aren't as common as they would be if it were. This is the reality. I could complain about that, but... why?

Changes have been made to my old favourite gangs. This is to be expected. I could complain about this but... where would that get me?

Some gangs I enjoyed playing may not come back, like Redemptionists and Spyrers. That's a shame. I could complain about this but... you get the idea.

Games Workshop will go where they want to with the game. If that's a thousand supplements and significant aesthetic changes to the miniatures, that's what it will be. If either of those things really bug me to the point where it makes me upset, I'll step off the train and find something else to occupy my time.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
I think Spyrers were mentioned in one of those Twitch streams at some point, that if/when they return, they'll be quite different (mainly due to the power level... although starting with high stats is exactly what we're already seeing in Newcromunda, so it would be surprising if they considered that a sticking point). Been a while though, so don't quote me on this. I like the concept in terms of fluff and those wargear options, but the execution could do with some changes. I certainly would enjoy seeing this version:

 Jadenim wrote:
It would be great if they did them like an Edwardian hunting party; one or two actual Spyrers, plus a load of hangers-on. Armourers, loaders, the butler, a “native” guide, floozy with parasol, etc. A bit like the old-school inquisitorial acolytes.

Would both make for interesting gameplay and a lot of great modelling options.

Spyrers where talked about when asked about new gangs and I think they showed some artwork for Guilders at the same time. I couldn’t tell if Spyrers where going to become Guilders or if they are going to remain separate. Of the Guilders they previewed it looks like the water guild will be coming out soon, but I wonder if the Corpse Guild got turned into the Corpse Grinder Cult.
Has anyone heard about rat skin now that natives where mentioned?

Ratskins are mentioned often enough in the various books to still be a thing, they have a trading post item, the Ratskin Map, and are mentioned as being hired often as scouts and guides.

Sarouan wrote:

TBH, Spyrers working as a gang like the others always felt wrong. They are meant to be overpowered and above the scum of the Underhive. They're Spyrers, after all. I too wouldn't mind them to be played differently as well, to represent that better. I see them more like individual predators than a band working together, personnally.

Whenever Spyrers appear in the novels or short stories, they are either a) One overpowered individual like the underhive vampire in the Kal novel, or b) a group of upper hive nobles (or their guards) on a hunting trip that work in a very co-ordinated spec-ops manner with each rig having it's own purpose in the hunt.


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Smaug wrote:
Spyrers where talked about when asked about new gangs and I think they showed some artwork for Guilders at the same time. I couldn’t tell if Spyrers where going to become Guilders or if they are going to remain separate.

I can't remember the full extent of it, but I was under the impression that they were still looking at what to do with Spyrers and the in a switch/bait they went on to talk about Guilders? The two fulfil very different roles as one is uphive nobles with rare equipment going on hunts, the other are freeroaming organisations from Hive City (or below) that keep the hive running

 Altruizine wrote:
I was reading the reddit discussion about the VS teaser, and apparently the GW stream may have referred to the champions as wearing 'Spyrer suits'?

Honestly, I hope that's how it pans out. Firstly, I love watching the reactionary traditionalists get salty when something isn't how it was in 1995. Secondly, small, elite gangs are almost always un-balanceable, so I wouldn't miss Spyrers being a self-contained gang at all.

No, the suits were called 'Spider rigs', even called it a bit insectile. You can look here if you want to hear it yourself. It is just after 53:30 minutes.

 Pjats wrote:

 Altruizine wrote:
I was reading the reddit discussion about the VS teaser, and apparently the GW stream may have referred to the champions as wearing 'Spyrer suits'?

Honestly, I hope that's how it pans out. Firstly, I love watching the reactionary traditionalists get salty when something isn't how it was in 1995. Secondly, small, elite gangs are almost always un-balanceable, so I wouldn't miss Spyrers being a self-contained gang at all.

No, the suits were called 'Spider rigs', even called it a bit insectile. You can look here if you want to hear it yourself. It is just after 53:30 minutes.

Thanks. Sounds like someone was watching inattentively and heard "Spyrer" when they said "spider," and generated this rumour. Guess we can shelve the Spyrer discussion for now.

House of Artifice and Van Saar champs/prospects next week folks.

I’m in for the book, because I’m a slag for it.

Fast turn around, not expecting a 2020 release to be honest. Even so, they'll be a nice addition to my Van Saars. Now need to get some Fluorescent paints for the hover board yoofs.

I’m mostly in it for the background and Hangers On stuff.

Hope to run a campaign in the future, so having a full suite of the books is very much handy! As are the various breakdowns of rules oddities/typos, as they help me get ahead of the game in terms of House Rules (which are a constant in my campaigns, as I’m a dedicated fiddler).

I’ll get the book and probably a box of the new guys. I have an unbuilt Van Saar gang and they’re my favourite of the redesigns, aesthetically.

They were my gang in classic Necromunda, and therefore the one I was most excited about during the reboot, but they turned out to be extremely boring to build and play. I ended up having more fun with GSC and Orlocks.

I'm hoping the new prospects and champions bring something new to the table (ie. good mobile shooting/grenade chucking or good dedicated melee fighters). I'll buy and assemble a box out of boredom either way, though.

Van Saar have the best kit in term of idea and weapon choice but due to lack of experience from the sprue designer the gun bit are fiddly and easily bent if dropped. At least the guns are all in one piece in the resin weapon packs. Because you don't want to super glue fiddly resin joint.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/12/07/lore-discover-the-secrets-of-the-van-saar-in-house-of-artifice/





Dear GW, i need these minis NOW

Yeah yeah, me too!

:O

Nice though it will be to play with Cattalus allies, I'd love to have a full gang of them

Grav-Cutter? so it's actually green goblin hoverboard.

Chopstick wrote:
Grav-Cutter? so it's actually green goblin hoverboard.

I think its interesting they've decided to call them grav-cutters, since its a term used in the novels for a variety of larger anti-grav vehicles... human vehicles that appear as everything from the civilian equivalent to a DE raider to atmospheric only Valkyrie sort of crafts... this is first I've seen the term applied to a single person vehicle.

Fully here for the 40k Carnevale people. Although they'll probably end up being £40 for two models from Forge World

We already have 2 characters from house cattalus as BH from book of perils. The one from the art will be the free dude from alliance.

If nothing else there is some gorgeous art being produced for Necromunda

Holy gak, I want those!

Oh, but they'll be forgeworld releases, huh?

Nevermind

 The Power Cosmic wrote:
Holy gak, I want those!

Oh, but they'll be forgeworld releases, huh?

Nevermind

People thought Slave Ogryn were going to be FW releases too...the answer is "who knows?"

Ready for a clown gang.

I don’t really remember much of the upper houses.
How many are there, one linked with each gang?
(And were they featured in the other House Of books?)

What if the house agents were the next-gen spyrers? I do like all the ones we've seen thus far!

Danny76 wrote:
Ready for a clown gang.

I don’t really remember much of the upper houses.
How many are there, one linked with each gang?
(And were they featured in the other House Of books?)

Yup. Each book has had a Noble House as a close ally.

Goliath has House Greim, Escher has House Ulanti, Orlock has House Ran Lo

Leaving Helmawr out of the seven, that leaves Ko’Iron and Ty for Cawdor and Delaque.

Yes, all those names seem familiar.
But we haven’t really had models yet for any of those have we?
A character from Ulanti? Or maybe a few of the FW specials, I can’t really say I’ve looked at them too much apart from being cool models or not etc..

We've not had any house or guild models thus far. GW has teased both for a long while and its clear that at some point Necromunda stalled on models for a bit as it had a reboot into its current form.

Plus the specialist games suddenly took off in a big way and I think it left them scrabbling for manpower and such.

Suffice to say I hope that hump (excluding corona) is over and we are heading toward a time when we'll see all these neat things they've teased in artwork.

Well I like Kage and Hark.
Thaetos, I have him from when it was just a Psyker.

I suppose for bounty hunters or hired guns, you could go third party and get some cool stuff..

 Overread wrote:
We've not had any house or guild models thus far. GW has teased both for a long while and its clear that at some point Necromunda stalled on models for a bit as it had a reboot into its current form.

Plus the specialist games suddenly took off in a big way and I think it left them scrabbling for manpower and such.

Suffice to say I hope that hump (excluding corona) is over and we are heading toward a time when we'll see all these neat things they've teased in artwork.

Mercator Guild is out https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Mercator-Sanguis-Slaver-Entourage-2020

Updated roadmap promises a Gap Filler wave in Q1 as well.