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 RiTides wrote:
I'm hoping it's January, that would be killer . I guess we should know one way or the other soon...

I hope your right.December would be bad for GWs directors board...(Looks at uruk hai sword)Or whoever decides when they release things.

Why would a December release be bad for them?

He's implying violence against the release scheduling group because of his fierce love of the Hobbit.

Yep.(Just kidding,but still...)Interesting fact:Ten years ago GW would have confirmed this in WD months in advance.

Not exactly a reliable basis of information, but the 5th edition Tyranid Codex was released in January 2010...

While it was great seeing the Hive Guard pic leak a couple weeks ago, has anyone else considered the fact that it could have been a calculated "vaccine"? As in, GW or someone affiliated with GW knew that leaking an update to a current model wouldn't give away too many new details to a codex, while still heralding its arrival. What it would do, however, is give them pin-point accuracy to where they needed to send their ominous C&D letters regarding the release.

In fact, since the pic leaked those posting rumors have all clammed up nearly immediately. Most notably Fritz40K, who intimated he had another pic of Warriors to show but then suddenly went silent. Yesterday he posted that he was "too hasty" about posting the hive guard and "it's been corrected." Also he's still organizing a tyranid-Space marine apocalypse event in December with the "wink, wink, hush hush" attitude like he secretly knows what's going on.

Overall, bottom line - regardless of where the Hive guard pic originated, the vast majority rumor-mongers haven't even uttered the word "tyranid" (this includes the 40K podcasts i listen to as well).

3 More Days until a possible "teaser"....Must..learn..to...wait....

 tetrisphreak wrote:
While it was great seeing the Hive Guard pic leak a couple weeks ago, has anyone else considered the fact that it could have been a calculated "vaccine"? As in, GW or someone affiliated with GW knew that leaking an update to a current model wouldn't give away too many new details to a codex, while still heralding its arrival. What it would do, however, is give them pin-point accuracy to where they needed to send their ominous C&D letters regarding the release.

In fact, since the pic leaked those posting rumors have all clammed up nearly immediately. Most notably Fritz40K, who intimated he had another pic of Warriors to show but then suddenly went silent. Yesterday he posted that he was "too hasty" about posting the hive guard and "it's been corrected." Also he's still organizing a tyranid-Space marine apocalypse event in December with the "wink, wink, hush hush" attitude like he secretly knows what's going on.

Overall, bottom line - regardless of where the Hive guard pic originated, the vast majority rumor-mongers haven't even uttered the word "tyranid" (this includes the 40K podcasts i listen to as well).

3 More Days until a possible "teaser"....Must..learn..to...wait....

Yeah, I dunno...it doesn't make much sense to me that you would intentionally leak two photos, and then serve the publisher of the leak with a cease and desist letter after he only publishes one of the photots.

I think GW is keeping the lid shut tight on this one, and is being very aggressive with the way they are pursuing leaks and leakers. I imagine they were not happy about how the Space Marine codex could practically be printed off frmo the rumor forums before it was released.

That's the point I was making. Warrior kit aside, I feel like GW is putting SOME sort of extra effort into keeping this release clandestine - and it seems to be working.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
That's the point I was making. Warrior kit aside, I feel like GW is putting SOME sort of extra effort into keeping this release clandestine - and it seems to be working.

No doubt! I know I'd shut up if I got letters from GW attorneys.

I'm curious as to how 'Fritz40K' got a cease + desist order so quickly. Was the image originally posted via his privately-owned site/blog? I was under the impression it was an Imgur link via some forum. If that was the case, it means GW got hold of his real identity quicker than any law enforcement could reasonably expect to.

 xttz wrote:
I'm curious as to how 'Fritz40K' got a cease + desist order so quickly. Was the image originally posted via his privately-owned site/blog? I was under the impression it was an Imgur link via some forum. If that was the case, it means GW got hold of his real identity quicker than any law enforcement could reasonably expect to.

They probably just called up the NSA and asked about him.

well we don't know anything for sure as Fritz never said he got a C&D. It could have been a decision on his part to decide not to leak the photos he had to avoid dealing with the shenanigans etc.

Sure, the C&D theory was speculative. Keep in mind, however, that the 40KRadio received their C&D via their info@40kradio email address. (Verified on their most recent podcast and well worth a listen to get an idea how GW legal is affecting our hobby) These GW lawyers are sending out those things willy nilly these days.

 xttz wrote:
I'm curious as to how 'Fritz40K' got a cease + desist order so quickly. Was the image originally posted via his privately-owned site/blog? I was under the impression it was an Imgur link via some forum. If that was the case, it means GW got hold of his real identity quicker than any law enforcement could reasonably expect to.

You release 5 different pictures to 5 people.
One of those pictures is posted online. You immediately know who shared the picture.

I don't know for a fact if that's how/why/if anyone at GW contacted him, but if GW wanted to nail down leaks it can be done.

rigeld2 wrote:

 xttz wrote:
I'm curious as to how 'Fritz40K' got a cease + desist order so quickly. Was the image originally posted via his privately-owned site/blog? I was under the impression it was an Imgur link via some forum. If that was the case, it means GW got hold of his real identity quicker than any law enforcement could reasonably expect to.

You release 5 different pictures to 5 people.
One of those pictures is posted online. You immediately know who shared the picture.

I don't know for a fact if that's how/why/if anyone at GW contacted him, but if GW wanted to nail down leaks it can be done.

Yeah, the "intentional controlled leak to catch perps" method. Works every time.

I am finding this whole Tyranid/mysterious release thing very humorous. It really makes me wonder if this is what they are doing:

When a tentacle of a hive fleet hits a sector, it is preceded by the Shadow in the warp, which, amongst other things, is a rolling blackout. All communications in and out of the sector cease.

Now, it makes me wonder if GW is imitating the tyranid release like the shadow of the warp concerning rumors/viable leakable material. Nids are the strangest, don't follow normal convention faction in the game, so why would their release be any different. I have the feeling in a couple of weeks they are going to spring the nid release on us like a nid invasion in the galaxy, and if so, it means it will be pretty awesome because they wouldn't go through all this trouble without feeling confident they had good stuff created to back it up with!!

Really, threatening leaker websites with cease and desist is analogous to astropaths and psykers getting leveled when shadow of the warp hits the sector...its pretty damn funny, when you think about it.

well as others have said, it's really not out of the ordinary.

Only the Space Marine codex had so much get out there so quick.

I think it only feels longer because we have endured so many fake rulesets created by trolls and then we got an early look at the hive guard. Plus the focus is on this release for alot of us as we were thinking January, then we heard from "solid" sources the Nids were coming in November.Then back to January and then now up to December.

so as we claw and hope for a confirmation in December the days seems to plod along even slower

 Jaidon wrote:
I am finding this whole Tyranid/mysterious release thing very humorous. It really makes me wonder if this is what they are doing:

When a tentacle of a hive fleet hits a sector, it is preceded by the Shadow in the warp, which, amongst other things, is a rolling blackout. All communications in and out of the sector cease.

Now, it makes me wonder if GW is imitating the tyranid release like the shadow of the warp concerning rumors/viable leakable material. Nids are the strangest, don't follow normal convention faction in the game, so why would their release be any different. I have the feeling in a couple of weeks they are going to spring the nid release on us like a nid invasion in the galaxy, and if so, it means it will be pretty awesome because they wouldn't go through all this trouble without feeling confident they had good stuff created to back it up with!!

Really, threatening leaker websites with cease and desist is analogous to astropaths and psykers getting leveled when shadow of the warp hits the sector...its pretty damn funny, when you think about it.

Brilliant. It's certainly a great way to put a positive spin on an excruciating wait!

tetrisphreak wrote:Sure, the C&D theory was speculative. Keep in mind, however, that the 40KRadio received their C&D via their info@40kradio email address. (Verified on their most recent podcast and well worth a listen to get an idea how GW legal is affecting our hobby) These GW lawyers are sending out those things willy nilly these days.

That was not "an idea how GW legal is affecting our hobby." It was one guy, whining like an entitled brat about how he can't intentionally breach something they've long-since warned people about. A guy who admits to not even playing the games anymore, and already has a slant against them. Go figure he ranted on an on about how unfair it was, how GW just cares about money (and yet pisses everyone off while spending tons on lawyers as a means to make it - which just undoes the whole argument all together), and how there's nothing anyone can do about it.

The best part of it all was, no one else on the show really went all-in agreeing with him. They even made fun of the fact that he pursues little side crappy games instead, and talked about how much more money they will still spend on 40k because they love the game.

So what if they want to be in control of their own information? Big freaking deal. They are improving their flagship game, releasing lots of product and content quicker than ever before, and giving everybody a little bit of something. It's like a steady ivy drip of 40k and it's great. I could care less if they want to control rumors, so long as the product continues to deliver.

Knowing what's coming well in advance never did anything for sales or making the game better. In fact, by the time the release dropped, most people had a, "Oh yeah...that stuff," attitude about it because they were talking about the next release coming in 6 months. There was no buzz, no anticipation, and no sales spike because it had all been spoiled. The whole, "but I can budget accordingly when I know..." is just nonsensical. Budget anyway. As the months go by, if you don't see anything you like, you get to save money. If GW releases something you can't live without, you have the money for it. Emergency? Sweet, you have that money padded to pay for it. Stop blowing money recklessly on going out to eat and video game content and you will always have a budget for this stuff.

Don't get me wrong: I want Tyranid info as much as the next guy.

BeeCee wrote:


so as we claw and hope for a confirmation in December

speak for everyone but me...If anybody needs me I'll be sacrificing small animals to Peter Jackson,Tolkien and Adam Troke.This sudden silence is building up anticipation isn't it...Like our communications were cut off...GENE-SNEAKERS!Or was it pantstealers?

 xttz wrote:
I'm curious as to how 'Fritz40K' got a cease + desist order so quickly. Was the image originally posted via his privately-owned site/blog? I was under the impression it was an Imgur link via some forum. If that was the case, it means GW got hold of his real identity quicker than any law enforcement could reasonably expect to.

Or they told imgur to take the image down, which is far more likely.

Does forge world ever move model rules over to the main codex? I'd really like to get some stoner crusher carnifex's. Is there a chance of them manipulating the wrecking ball and claw and putting them into the new codex? Or does appoc stuff stay forgeworld only?

The only instances of rules being moved over from Forge World have been entire models. The Trygon and its subterranean tunnelling was moved over with a bunch of rules making it worthless. Also, the Valkyrie/Vendetta were moved over turning them into skimmers and lowering their cost considerably.

Almost everything nowadays is fundamentally new units outright (Supermarine Centurions, Superbattlesuit Riptides, Superwraithlord Wraithknight) or completely new wargear (Melee Obliterators, Wraithsword/Wraithaxe Wraithguard Wraithwraiths, Gravity Weapons, Tesla Weapons, etc).

 Absolutionis wrote:
The only instances of rules being moved over from Forge World have been entire models. The Trygon and its subterranean tunnelling was moved over with a bunch of rules making it worthless. Also, the Valkyrie/Vendetta were moved over turning them into skimmers and lowering their cost considerably.

Almost everything nowadays is fundamentally new units outright (Supermarine Centurions, Superbattlesuit Riptides, Superwraithlord Wraithknight) or completely new wargear (Melee Obliterators, Wraithsword/Wraithaxe Wraithguard Wraithwraiths, Gravity Weapons, Tesla Weapons, etc).

This. GW also has repeatedly stated that they aren't planning on taking from Forgeworld if they can avoid it.

I'm always surprised how many people talk about which FW unit they want when they hear of an upcoming codex. The model and rules already exist with FW, so if you want it, get that model and those rules from them. FW models and rules are "Official" for standard play, just not among all the tournament organizers.

FWIW... just had a conversation with a big independent retailer. Said we were looking forward to dropping some cash next month... if it weren't happening i reckon he would have said. So my money is on a December release.

Yeah i know i could get the rules. The fw rules for the model are as in date as the current codex, so it would need some such changing to make the rules realistic to get them on table top. I guess it would be nice if they would update fw rules with new codecs so those models keep pace too.

Currently the stone crusher fex is more efficient and cheaper per upgrade than codex fexes.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Currently the stone crusher fex is more efficient and cheaper per upgrade than codex fexes.

It also sucks donkey balls as it costs 5p MORE than a dakkafex, has no shooting at all and it doesn't even have access to a mycetic spore, in other words you will NEVER get it into combat.

Fantastic model though, I want 3 of them

Time for a thread lock?

 SickSix wrote:
Time for a thread lock?

Probably not, since it is mostly being kept on topic.