BeeCee wrote:
well now that we are all butchering the fluff! misremembering who challenged who and got punked down by carnifexes!

Also a not very reassuring post on Faeit212: http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/11/where-are-tyranids.html

BeeCee wrote:
well now that we are all butchering the fluff! misremembering who challenged who and got punked down by carnifexes!

Also a not very reassuring post on Faeit212: http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/11/where-are-tyranids.html

Natfka wrote:I have heard it from the comment section and from email, and that is a lot of doubt and concern that Tyranids are not going to be showing up here in a few weeks. The silence is just killing some of us.

So here is a very likely possibility.

Please understand this is speculation based upon information and rumor.

Where are the Tyranids?
Normally at this time, or very soon we normally start to hear or see things popping up on the web with leaked images here and there. This release could very well be different. Why?

Tyranids were Scheduled for January
The December White Dwarf was rumored to not have Tyranids in it. Of course that can't be the case if Tyranids are going to be released. There are rumors that a schedule change is pushing forward Tyranids, and if that is the case, and December was most of the way ready to go without them, a sudden change in the line up for whatever reason, would be why there could be a delay in rumors and White Dwarf leaks.

Back in my architecture days, there were many times that we had last minute project changes, or something was moved. The big push to move things around if very difficult and often meant running out to the airport to deliver to Fed Ex the latest set of Drawings before the plane left.

So assuming a last minute change was done moving Tyranids forward, there has been less time for leaks to occur, and information to get out. Not that pushing something like a major release like Tyranids to the last minute push is a good thing, but getting product shipped out, making sure everything is a go is not something that is just done on the fly. If Tyranids are coming in a December release, there are many people working late and not getting their sleep to get everything ready for us.

 RiTides wrote:
That Natfka post is pure speculation, absolutely zero info! I could have typed that

 azreal13 wrote:

Or, alternatively, we are in a traditional quiet period in the GW release leak cycle.

Reads just like click bait to me.

 Stormonu wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
"I want Tyranids to be everything they are now but better in every way. I want point drops on every unit, better stats and more options, I also want more units because Tyranids don't already have some very viable builds. Tyranids also need Super Fleet where they roll 4D6 and pick the highest 3, and reroll all 1s and 2s. Carnifexes must now also be good in combat, because they don't already destroy stuff in range with Twin Linked Devourers. On top of this, I want new models for everything, a Genestealer supplement and models for those too, in fact, Tyranids should be able to completely own marines in assault as well, despite the fact they're super-soldiers and cost a lot more points."
-Every Tyranid player ever

That is hardly fair. It is well known that Nids are in quite a predicament at the moment, and that, among other things, Carnifexes are overpriced. Yes, there will always be overzealous wishlisting, but they are in dire need of improvement. Are Tyranid players not allowed to want their armies to, you know, actually be viable? The Tau got a huge improvement, but we're supposed to just be content with overpricing, removal of options, and getting shot down before getting into combat?

The Tau were good enough before their new codex, an easy transition into 6th without the reduction of pts on every other unit would have been fine in my opinion. Tyranids are not below par, I've gone up against them enough times to know this. I'm not trying to say that this is every Tyranid player (the above was sarcasm, you know where I'm coming from..), but after a simple skim of this thread all I can see is ridiculous wishlisting. 'Tyranids need to go faster' Is fleet not enough? 'Tyranids need a Genestealer Cult' Do they really? 'Pyrovores suck' Don't use them then. It's the same as Vanguard Veterans, there's always that one overcosted unit, just don't use it. And yes, Carnifexes may be a bit overcosted but that doesn't stop them from being viable at shooting, whack them in cover and have them take shots at aircraft or light tanks and you'll see that they're not as bad as you try and make out they are. Tyranid armies are more than viable, there are a lot of different ways to play them which split into three main categories: Nidzilla, endless swarm or one I like to call 'psychic rape'. They're pretty self-explanatory. And, yes you may get shot down before getting into combat if you're a fool and play without cover, or if you happen to pick the wrong sort of army format, for example Nidzilla vs Plasma Spam Dark Angels, there's no way you're getting out of it and it's bad luck. But if you happened to play an endless swarm against that army you'd win hands down.
Please tell me you can see where I'm coming from.

Personally, I would imagine in a foot race between an eldar and a tyranid, the tyranid should win every time (long as we're talking warrior or smaller). So, whatever it would take to get gaunts (and maybe stealers) to move as fast as Eldar miniatures. I'd love to see hormagaunts running down bikes with some sort of cheetah-like speed boost. (I mean, tyranids are masters of the biomorph, why couldn't they incorporate some cheetah-like DNA? As an upgrade option, available to those with chitin or reinforced chitin).

And I'd like to see genestealer cults come back just because they used to be part of GW canon. Don't care to see squats come back, however.

kjolnir wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

Or, alternatively, we are in a traditional quiet period in the GW release leak cycle.

Reads just like click bait to me.

What makes it interesting though is that for 'Nids specifically, the "quiet period" has lasted since the end of August.

MaCa wrote:No offence to Natfka but his sources (bar hastings) were always a little bit less than reliable, so as long as there are no pics I'm still calling it a Jan release.

jakl277 wrote:Nafty just confirmed nids for dec on faeit

RiTides wrote:That Natfka post is pure speculation, absolutely zero info! I could have typed that

azreal13 wrote:Reads just like click bait to me.

 xttz wrote:
I could see there being some form of Nid ability that hampers overwatch - 2nd edition used to have all sorts of things about Lictors interfering with supplies and massed waves of guants depleting ammo.

But SitW has always been a psychic thing. If anything it will be a Deny the Witch buff.

 azreal13 wrote:
Other than the photo of product from a couple of weeks ago?

I'm not seeing anything weird in the build up to this, I think the somewhat unprecedented (since the info blackout) flood of info surrounding the Marine book has thrown people's perception off a little.

BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
"I want Tyranids to be everything they are now but better in every way. I want point drops on every unit, better stats and more options, I also want more units because Tyranids don't already have some very viable builds. Tyranids also need Super Fleet where they roll 4D6 and pick the highest 3, and reroll all 1s and 2s. Carnifexes must now also be good in combat, because they don't already destroy stuff in range with Twin Linked Devourers. On top of this, I want new models for everything, a Genestealer supplement and models for those too, in fact, Tyranids should be able to completely own marines in assault as well, despite the fact they're super-soldiers and cost a lot more points."
-Every Tyranid player ever

That is hardly fair. It is well known that Nids are in quite a predicament at the moment, and that, among other things, Carnifexes are overpriced. Yes, there will always be overzealous wishlisting, but they are in dire need of improvement. Are Tyranid players not allowed to want their armies to, you know, actually be viable? The Tau got a huge improvement, but we're supposed to just be content with overpricing, removal of options, and getting shot down before getting into combat?

The Tau were good enough before their new codex, an easy transition into 6th without the reduction of pts on every other unit would have been fine in my opinion. Tyranids are not below par, I've gone up against them enough times to know this. I'm not trying to say that this is every Tyranid player (the above was sarcasm, you know where I'm coming from..), but after a simple skim of this thread all I can see is ridiculous wishlisting. 'Tyranids need to go faster' Is fleet not enough? 'Tyranids need a Genestealer Cult' Do they really? 'Pyrovores suck' Don't use them then. It's the same as Vanguard Veterans, there's always that one overcosted unit, just don't use it. And yes, Carnifexes may be a bit overcosted but that doesn't stop them from being viable at shooting, whack them in cover and have them take shots at aircraft or light tanks and you'll see that they're not as bad as you try and make out they are. Tyranid armies are more than viable, there are a lot of different ways to play them which split into three main categories: Nidzilla, endless swarm or one I like to call 'psychic rape'. They're pretty self-explanatory. And, yes you may get shot down before getting into combat if you're a fool and play without cover, or if you happen to pick the wrong sort of army format, for example Nidzilla vs Plasma Spam Dark Angels, there's no way you're getting out of it and it's bad luck. But if you happened to play an endless swarm against that army you'd win hands down.
Please tell me you can see where I'm coming from.

Personally, I would imagine in a foot race between an eldar and a tyranid, the tyranid should win every time (long as we're talking warrior or smaller). So, whatever it would take to get gaunts (and maybe stealers) to move as fast as Eldar miniatures. I'd love to see hormagaunts running down bikes with some sort of cheetah-like speed boost. (I mean, tyranids are masters of the biomorph, why couldn't they incorporate some cheetah-like DNA? As an upgrade option, available to those with chitin or reinforced chitin).

And I'd like to see genestealer cults come back just because they used to be part of GW canon. Don't care to see squats come back, however.

I want my army to have a whole other army attached onto the side, because it's canon. GW ignores the canon in regards to stuff like this, and it was the same with the Squats, not even going to lie here they're never coming back, either of them. There are already a hell of a lot of armies and a hell of a lot of choice, and who knows, you might even be able to run a viable stealer list in the new codex :3 Aside from this, admittedly Carnifexes are overcosted but they're not useless in any way, shape or form. They can take out tanks in melee, and they can shoot down aircraft, destroy medium infantry and light tanks etc. with TL Devourers. I understand the toughness problem but that doesn't make them completely useless. I also agree that Tyranids should probably be faster in canon, but then there's that issue.. Canon. They're the masters of combat, they don't need to be the masters of speed to do so, the base units aren't bad it's just things like Pyrovores, Fexes and Lictors that need sorting out (no troll intended, genuinely my opinion for all those who keep calling me out...)

kjolnir wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
Other than the photo of product from a couple of weeks ago?

I'm not seeing anything weird in the build up to this, I think the somewhat unprecedented (since the info blackout) flood of info surrounding the Marine book has thrown people's perception off a little.

A single photo. We've gotten more than that out of other codex releases, even when you toss out the Space Marine codex as an outlier. The 'Nid rumors haven't followed the established pattern at all. Not saying that means any particular thing, but it will be interesting to see what ends up happening.

 azreal13 wrote:

But seldom much outside of two weeks or so before the WD is due to drop. If there's nothing new and tangible by this time next week, you might be on to something, otherwise it just smells like business as usual.

 brassangel wrote:

BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
"I want Tyranids to be everything they are now but better in every way. I want point drops on every unit, better stats and more options, I also want more units because Tyranids don't already have some very viable builds. Tyranids also need Super Fleet where they roll 4D6 and pick the highest 3, and reroll all 1s and 2s. Carnifexes must now also be good in combat, because they don't already destroy stuff in range with Twin Linked Devourers. On top of this, I want new models for everything, a Genestealer supplement and models for those too, in fact, Tyranids should be able to completely own marines in assault as well, despite the fact they're super-soldiers and cost a lot more points."
-Every Tyranid player ever

That is hardly fair. It is well known that Nids are in quite a predicament at the moment, and that, among other things, Carnifexes are overpriced. Yes, there will always be overzealous wishlisting, but they are in dire need of improvement. Are Tyranid players not allowed to want their armies to, you know, actually be viable? The Tau got a huge improvement, but we're supposed to just be content with overpricing, removal of options, and getting shot down before getting into combat?

The Tau were good enough before their new codex, an easy transition into 6th without the reduction of pts on every other unit would have been fine in my opinion. Tyranids are not below par, I've gone up against them enough times to know this. I'm not trying to say that this is every Tyranid player (the above was sarcasm, you know where I'm coming from..), but after a simple skim of this thread all I can see is ridiculous wishlisting. 'Tyranids need to go faster' Is fleet not enough? 'Tyranids need a Genestealer Cult' Do they really? 'Pyrovores suck' Don't use them then. It's the same as Vanguard Veterans, there's always that one overcosted unit, just don't use it. And yes, Carnifexes may be a bit overcosted but that doesn't stop them from being viable at shooting, whack them in cover and have them take shots at aircraft or light tanks and you'll see that they're not as bad as you try and make out they are. Tyranid armies are more than viable, there are a lot of different ways to play them which split into three main categories: Nidzilla, endless swarm or one I like to call 'psychic rape'. They're pretty self-explanatory. And, yes you may get shot down before getting into combat if you're a fool and play without cover, or if you happen to pick the wrong sort of army format, for example Nidzilla vs Plasma Spam Dark Angels, there's no way you're getting out of it and it's bad luck. But if you happened to play an endless swarm against that army you'd win hands down.
Please tell me you can see where I'm coming from.

Personally, I would imagine in a foot race between an eldar and a tyranid, the tyranid should win every time (long as we're talking warrior or smaller). So, whatever it would take to get gaunts (and maybe stealers) to move as fast as Eldar miniatures. I'd love to see hormagaunts running down bikes with some sort of cheetah-like speed boost. (I mean, tyranids are masters of the biomorph, why couldn't they incorporate some cheetah-like DNA? As an upgrade option, available to those with chitin or reinforced chitin).

And I'd like to see genestealer cults come back just because they used to be part of GW canon. Don't care to see squats come back, however.

I want my army to have a whole other army attached onto the side, because it's canon. GW ignores the canon in regards to stuff like this, and it was the same with the Squats, not even going to lie here they're never coming back, either of them. There are already a hell of a lot of armies and a hell of a lot of choice, and who knows, you might even be able to run a viable stealer list in the new codex :3 Aside from this, admittedly Carnifexes are overcosted but they're not useless in any way, shape or form. They can take out tanks in melee, and they can shoot down aircraft, destroy medium infantry and light tanks etc. with TL Devourers. I understand the toughness problem but that doesn't make them completely useless. I also agree that Tyranids should probably be faster in canon, but then there's that issue.. Canon. They're the masters of combat, they don't need to be the masters of speed to do so, the base units aren't bad it's just things like Pyrovores, Fexes and Lictors that need sorting out (no troll intended, genuinely my opinion for all those who keep calling me out...)

Carnifexes aren't killing tanks in CC because they will never get there. If they are dodging around terrain, that means he's spending 4 turns doing absolutely nothing just to topple a Rhino late in the game. Woo hoo...

They aren't "masters of combat," they are masters of the endless swarm. They should win combat with speed and volume, not quality of attacks.

And the Tyrannofex? A 265 point gun that does nothing? That's not over-costed?

The Mawloc? Who every unit can avoid and then shoot down when he emerges?

Old One Eye? Come on...

The Parasite of Mortex? 160 points for bolter bait?

Ymgarls are the ONLY unit that can assault when they emerge, and even then it has to be area terrain. There's a lot less of that in 6th, and the opponent can just stand a unit in there so the Ymgarls can never arrive.

Raveners are great at making one long move and then dying to bolters.

Pyrovores go without saying.

Lots of units are in the wrong FO slot, have bad composition (too many 1-3 in a "swarm" army), and don't even offer decent support/synergy for the points.

kjolnir wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

But seldom much outside of two weeks or so before the WD is due to drop. If there's nothing new and tangible by this time next week, you might be on to something, otherwise it just smells like business as usual.

I don't know if I'm onto anyting at all. I'm just saying that 'Nids have followed a very unsual rumor pattern compared with every other 6th ed Codex. I don't know even know what that means, but no other Codex went through 3+ months of nigh-on-complete silence before a "surprise" release.

At the very least that tells me something "different' was going on with this Codex.

 pretre wrote:
Complete Silence??? You are freaking crazy blah blah blah

kjolnir wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Complete Silence??? You are freaking crazy blah blah blah

Okay, just trying to have a rational discussion here. Sorry that you felt like it needed to turn into a pissing match. I'll not be participating.

 azreal13 wrote:
I'd say that in a rational discussion, providing copious amounts of evidence to support your point is one of the best things you could be doing, and throwing around terms like "pissing match" when your point has been pretty conclusively shown to be erroneous is not.

kjolnir wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
I'd say that in a rational discussion, providing copious amounts of evidence to support your point is one of the best things you could be doing, and throwing around terms like "pissing match" when your point has been pretty conclusively shown to be erroneous is not.

That's great. I'd say you've certainly proven at least one thing, anyway.

Have a wonderful day. You have won the internet.

jakl277 wrote:
I think thats the right way to look at it. If we dont hear anything next week (the week of the 23rd) then something is up

I might have gotten a bit ahead of myself with posting a picture, and I have corrected it, all that I can really say on that, if I want to keep the forum running.

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

All I'm trying to say is that the Tyranid codex, as it is is usable, and while it might be monobuild it's not impossible to get a good tournament army, and come out near the top -_-

Caederes wrote:
Well Fritz basically confirmed he got a cease and desist letter, hence why the Hive Guard picture is the only leaked one.
http://thewarmaster.com/index.php?topic=1659.msg18638#msg18638

I might have gotten a bit ahead of myself with posting a picture, and I have corrected it, all that I can really say on that, if I want to keep the forum running.

Another post he made today basically says GW are really trying to keep a lid on the leaks for this one. I can only speculate that it will be a huge release, bigger even than Dark Elves.

 Tyran wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

All I'm trying to say is that the Tyranid codex, as it is is usable, and while it might be monobuild it's not impossible to get a good tournament army, and come out near the top -_-

To have a hope against the top tier armies we need to at least get Endurance and/or Iron Arm in our Flyrants, and while it is not impossible to win, it is just incredible hard.

kjolnir wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
I'd say that in a rational discussion, providing copious amounts of evidence to support your point is one of the best things you could be doing, and throwing around terms like "pissing match" when your point has been pretty conclusively shown to be erroneous is not.

That's great. I'd say you've certainly proven at least one thing, anyway.

Have a wonderful day. You have won the internet.