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6-2 Mov on Joan d´Arc 2.0 combined with BS15 is serious business!

So, I'm workblocked and all that - can someone tell me if it was all a big swerve and there is still a Caskuda profile in there?

Sadly, no. They're really gone.

 Alpharius wrote:
So, I'm workblocked and all that - can someone tell me if it was all a big swerve and there is still a Caskuda profile in there?

Check the Sub Forum we have a link that you may be able to access.

 Koni wrote:
Days after the release of N3, we bring you ALL the Infinity profiles, including Human Sphere, Campaing Paradiso, Dire Foes and beyond.

Try to download HERE

Key word TRY. Apparently Mega seems to think you need Flash to download a PDF...?!?

Iain.

Chairman Aeon wrote:

 Koni wrote:
Days after the release of N3, we bring you ALL the Infinity profiles, including Human Sphere, Campaing Paradiso, Dire Foes and beyond.

Try to download HERE

Key word TRY. Apparently Mega seems to think you need Flash to download a PDF...?!?

Iain.

Like I Said we have an alternate DL location down in the sub if anyone is having trouble.

We do indeed - and it works great!

Thanks NM!

Let me tell you that in a few days we'll release two more PDF:

-PDF with indications about how to use HS & CP rules in N3
-Weapons Chart

More info in our FB/Twitter/G+ accounts and our website very soon. (and also here in DakkaDakka!)

 Koni wrote:
Let me tell you that in a few days we'll release two more PDF:

-PDF with indications about how to use HS & CP rules in N3
-Weapons Chart

More info in our FB/Twitter/G+ accounts and our website very soon. (and also here in DakkaDakka!)

Thanks for the heads up Koni.

Koni:

I know I've been pretty rough on you for not really keeping the non-Spanish community up to date, but much respect for making sure that we get the information not just on the Infinity International Forum but also here on Dakka.

Ye gods, that's something I never thought I would read from Kan..

Share the sentiment though, really appreciated you bringing the news over here Koni

 tommse wrote:
6-2 Mov on Joan d´Arc 2.0 combined with BS15 is serious business!

Unless it's actually a misprint in CM rather than inches? The miniature of Joan d'Arc is a massive, bulky TAG-like monstrosity, bristling with weapons and a 2.5inch move..

In Spanish she is 15-5 so no misprint.

Nevermind

Seems that Aleph's SpecOps Thrasymedes is allowed to form an Enomatarchos Fireteam with Shavastii Seed-Soldiers as per the rules on pg221.

Obvious Typo is obvious ;P

They're going to clean up the PDF for errors. And put out the next set soon.

I think the Traktor mule Uragan profile might suffer from a typo too, it's now 8 points cheaper than its Katyusha counterpart compared to the 1 point difference in last edition

Edit: Now that I think of it, it's possible that they've changed the weapon's profile making it much worse... I'm not thrilled with that possibility

 Pacific wrote:
Ye gods, that's something I never thought I would read from Kan..

Share the sentiment though, really appreciated you bringing the news over here Koni

 tommse wrote:
6-2 Mov on Joan d´Arc 2.0 combined with BS15 is serious business!

Unless it's actually a misprint in CM rather than inches? The miniature of Joan d'Arc is a massive, bulky TAG-like monstrosity, bristling with weapons and a 2.5inch move..

Mobile Armor shes pretty small and not tag like at all. Even in her orgional armor shes not that bulky O.o

Just wondering... Is the azraiil with ap rifle and ml gone?

I hope not! Not long finished painting that mini..

str00dles1 wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
Ye gods, that's something I never thought I would read from Kan..

Share the sentiment though, really appreciated you bringing the news over here Koni

 tommse wrote:
6-2 Mov on Joan d´Arc 2.0 combined with BS15 is serious business!

Unless it's actually a misprint in CM rather than inches? The miniature of Joan d'Arc is a massive, bulky TAG-like monstrosity, bristling with weapons and a 2.5inch move..

Mobile Armor shes pretty small and not tag like at all. Even in her orgional armor shes not that bulky O.o

As you're the second person to pick this up, it was actually intended as a joke!

The new Tohaa boarding unit is insane. Light Infantry with 2-wound Symbiotes and Aux-buddies.

That's a freaking 3 wound LI that has a flamer pal. Horrifying. They make PanO GDAs look like chumps while being cheaper somehow!

The cheaper part is the oddest thing there!

 Killionaire wrote:
The new Tohaa boarding unit is insane. Light Infantry with 2-wound Symbiotes and Aux-buddies.

That's a freaking 3 wound LI that has a flamer pal. Horrifying. They make PanO GDAs look like chumps while being cheaper somehow!

The PanO Assault Guard is also HI, ARM3, and BS15.

A better comparison would probably be Aleph Devas and PanO Auxilia. Rasail are 30-40pt for 3W. Devas are 20-30pt for 2W and ARM2. Auxilia are 15pt for 1W.

Doesn't seem too out of the ordinary.

I'm really too far out of the loop to tell if anything good/bad happened to my Beloved Bakunin or Shadowy Shasvastii... Chimera and pupniks seemed to have a higher CC stat but that appears to be the norm for such units. I noticed pupniks got kinematica which will nicely supplement their insane dodge... but I can't remember if their handler also gets it. I'm also not sure if multiple combatants still change the rolls in the same way.

Oh well there's another thread for that, just glad people are getting the PDF and checking it out, you guys are much better at analyzing the changes and making judgements than I am

Squuuuuuuuueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Ahem

That was actually my reaction seeing everything in one consolidated PDF! Doesn't look like much changed, but then they said not much would change. Interesting to see that Asawira got a Boarding Shotgun profile. And they dropped nearly 10pts! But given Regenerations nerf and the general downward trend of HI costs, that was expected.

 GrimDork wrote:
Chimera and pupniks seemed to have a higher CC stat but that appears to be the norm for such units. I noticed pupniks got kinematica which will nicely supplement their insane dodge... but I can't remember if their handler also gets it. I'm also not sure if multiple combatants still change the rolls in the same way.

Instead of +3 CC for extra bodies in combat, they now get extra burst instead. So the higher CC stat is necessary from that point of view.

Also, yeah, Chimera has Kinematica 1, but still no hyper-dynamics.


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Vaguely disappointed that some of the new rules (Executive Order, Advanced Command, Forward Deployment) didn't appear on any of the newer profiles. (Sun Tze v2 doesnt count)

 -Loki- wrote:
Squuuuuuuuueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Ahem

That was actually my reaction seeing everything in one consolidated PDF! Doesn't look like much changed, but then they said not much would change. Interesting to see that Asawira got a Boarding Shotgun profile. And they dropped nearly 10pts! But given Regenerations nerf and the general downward trend of HI costs, that was expected.

Did anything go up in point cost?
Time to ask the loaded question: Doesn't this kind of across the board reduction in point cost cause power creep?
Certainly seems like there will be more model on the board with so many profiles getting 2-3 points knocked off.

Will there? Or will people just remove a cheerleader or two and squeeze in a more powerful unit. Unless something has changed doesn't the magic number of 10 still hold true for infinity? At least for lists that were already using 10 models. I think it would be pretty cool to see some more 7/7 8/8 or 10/10 combat groups or whatever, but I dunno if a point reductions will change much. If people can get two 10 model combat groups and can't possibly spend their points on 10 models at 300 then maybe we'll see it?

I could be totally wrong too just seems that way to me.

 Micky wrote:
Vaguely disappointed that some of the new rules (Executive Order, Advanced Command, Forward Deployment) didn't appear on any of the newer profiles. (Sun Tze v2 doesnt count)

There are a few units in the game altogether that have unique rules made just for them.

Aleph's Atalanta, PanO's Joan of Arc, Yu Jing's Sun Tze v2, Aleph's Posthumans, Combined Speculo (Impersonation 2), Nomads Sin-Eaters, etc.

Eventually other profiles may come out that have these formerly unique rules. The Tohaa Chaksa were the first to steal the Sin-Eaters' special rule.

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:
Time to ask the loaded question: Doesn't this kind of across the board reduction in point cost cause power creep?

Not *everything* went down in price significantly. LI more or less remained the same or dropped 1-2pt. It's the HI that dropped significantly. Seems like more of a rebalancing considering the supersuper cheap stuff like Metros, Imetrons, and Netrods remained the same. Also, very popular units like Lasiq Snipers seem to have remained the same.

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:
Squuuuuuuuueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Ahem

That was actually my reaction seeing everything in one consolidated PDF! Doesn't look like much changed, but then they said not much would change. Interesting to see that Asawira got a Boarding Shotgun profile. And they dropped nearly 10pts! But given Regenerations nerf and the general downward trend of HI costs, that was expected.

Did anything go up in point cost?
Time to ask the loaded question: Doesn't this kind of across the board reduction in point cost cause power creep?
Certainly seems like there will be more model on the board with so many profiles getting 2-3 points knocked off.

While light infantry mostly stayed the same, a lot of things with bigger guns got cheaper. This will make peoples typical lists trend down in points, so people can include things they might not have before.

Rather than causing power creep, I think this will let factions play more to their strengths. High tech factions might now be able to fit more fun toys into their lists, but lower tech factions might now be able to more comfortably move to lists with two combat groups, putting more bodies on the table, to tip the balance back.

CB are good at balancing their game. I'm not going to jump to wild conclusions of imbalance based on perusing some army lists for a while. I'd let the game resettle and a few tournaments run through before making balance claims.

A reduction in points costs in Infinity does not result in scale or power creep. Why?

There's many individual models that take up up to or over 1/3rd of your points. But it's a single model. Any list is gimped if it has less than 8 models anyway, and probably awkward if it has 11-14.

If points go down, all that means is the 'eliteness' of a list may go up. Additionally, since most basic profiles are similar but the gizmo cost went down, you'll have more interesting toys but the same model count, or upgrade a basic unit to a slightly more elite unit.