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Davor wrote:
Buys GW products, complains about 15 pounds or $30 Canadian. Mmmmm. Can't tell if serious or not.

Its more, has a lot of WHFB stuff still dosn't like AoS rule set but willing to give the new points system a chance. I feel they should have done this to start with hence begrudged to pay money for a fix.

Fyreslayer points (thanks to war of sigmar)

Interesting that would mean the vulkite beserkers can be battleline units for ANY order army regardless of allegiance (it does not have the allegiance requirement).

GoreChosen looks interesting, if as just a cheap alternative source for Bloodbound figures. A shame I've got half already then! Will keep an eye out for it anyways.

Most interesting thing about that General's Handbook for me is the Path to Glory rules. I want an upgradable Chaos warband!

Fezza213 wrote:

Spoiler:

zamerion wrote:
Fyreslayer points (thanks to war of sigmar)

Interesting that would mean the vulkite beserkers can be battleline units for ANY order army regardless of allegiance (it does not have the allegiance requirement).

Well it make sense since if you have ur-gold they will fight for you. In the sliver tower story the fyreslayer was hired by a scholar but certain events caused him to end up as a doomseeker.

I'm assuming 5 to 30 means if you had 30 you would pay 480 points, or 16 points per guy after the first 5, and not something stupid like 80 points total for up to 30 guys. Otherwise they have fixed nothing.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Bottle wrote:
The General's Handbook is meant to be great value though. I think the podcasts mentioned it would be £15?

That gets you stacks of cool stuff - not just matched play but multiple campaign systems for narrative play and game modes for open play too.

It also gets you lots of crap that some people are never going to use.

I know, right? Like if you play Stormcast and it has rules for the Orruks that you'll never use. I can only assume that's what you mean. Still, GW are publishing it and it'll be official, so I'm sure you'll agree how awesome it all is once it's actually released.



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Chikout wrote:
So this turned up on 4chan. Not sure what to make of it, but it is half the price of buying the models individually.

Looks like another "not a discount or price decrease" bundle. Good, because I really do like those Khorne models but I'm fethed if I'm willing to pay the UK retail on them, let alone the AU$.


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 Lou_Cypher wrote:
Is new stuff actually being discussed or are the stupid whiners complaining again just to sour all the good things coming from these releases?

A little from column A and a little from column B.


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 Yodhrin wrote:

I give exactly zero gaks about what the "official rules" say, except the bits that encourage folk to shout abuse at each other and take the piss out of people with mental health problems. Not because I can't ignore them, but because either someone at GWHQ with grotesquely poor taste actually though they were being funny, or because they were a deliberate "up yours, buy the new stuff" to fans of WHF under the pretense of doing us a favour. Either way, it doesn't provoke any great desire to engage with the system.

And, contrary to what some people seem to assume, I'm not actually a drooling moron "I don't know anyone who'd play AoS who's also a WHF setting fan" was inclusive of everyone I've spoken to at local clubs. Largely because there's not many people playing AoS at local clubs, but still.

So here's the thing. This is a discussion thread about AoS News and Rumours. You've got your axe to grind, and you know what? I've got no problem with that in and of itself. However, there's an appropriate time and place, and you seem more interested in coming into the AoS threads to gak them up and argue with people than actually have any kind of actual discussion about the product. I'm no fan of Rob Lane, but I don't constantly go into the Mierce threads to gak them up. If you want to carry on carrying on about how GW and AoS insulted you, might I suggest starting up an off-site blog on Wordpress or Blogger. Not because the discussion has no place on Dakka, but if you have your own Blog then you're not beholden in any way to the rules or mods here, and you're pretty much your own master as long as you don't do anything illegal. better yet, you'll probably be able to connect with others who are unhappy with the direction of GW/AoS and that way you'll be able to have what is much more a discussion of like-minded people. Or connect with the 9th Age or KoW community. Paint models and share pictures of them. Basically, you should consider doing something more constructive and positive with your time.

Because quite frankly, constantly going into the AoS threads with no other intent besides wanting to complain about some stupid "jokey" bits of the free rules released over a year ago, complaining about everything else in a rather entitled manner and essentially causing trouble has made you into the bad guy here.

Fezza213 wrote:

Spoiler:

zamerion wrote:
Fyreslayer points (thanks to war of sigmar)

Interesting that would mean the vulkite beserkers can be battleline units for ANY order army regardless of allegiance (it does not have the allegiance requirement).

Yeah, we're sleazy like that, we work for anyone But interesting to see their points. I just bought a second runemaster and wonder how that will do compared to the 20 points cheaper GW has him compared to other Leaders. Points look fine given a 2,000 standard game. But I'll not be hurting to play open, narrative or matched or open w/player comp so...this Flameling is content.

 Orock wrote:
I'm assuming 5 to 30 means if you had 30 you would pay 480 points, or 16 points per guy after the first 5, and not something stupid like 80 points total for up to 30 guys. Otherwise they have fixed nothing.

Correct, the points listed is for your "min" unit amount, so 30 dudes is 480

Just wondering, why are some folks saying it's about double SCGT? Isn't Nagash in SCGT about 50 points? Or , am I totally off on that?

 KiloFiX wrote:
Just wondering, why are some folks saying it's about double SCGT? Isn't Nagash in SCGT about 50 points? Or , am I totally off on that?

People are saying its roughly 20x the SCGT pool prices. Nagash is actually about 16x, but others I checked quickly (Archaon, Orruk Megaboss on Maw Krusha) are 20x their pool price.

 Azazelx wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

I give exactly zero gaks about what the "official rules" say, except the bits that encourage folk to shout abuse at each other and take the piss out of people with mental health problems. Not because I can't ignore them, but because either someone at GWHQ with grotesquely poor taste actually though they were being funny, or because they were a deliberate "up yours, buy the new stuff" to fans of WHF under the pretense of doing us a favour. Either way, it doesn't provoke any great desire to engage with the system.

And, contrary to what some people seem to assume, I'm not actually a drooling moron "I don't know anyone who'd play AoS who's also a WHF setting fan" was inclusive of everyone I've spoken to at local clubs. Largely because there's not many people playing AoS at local clubs, but still.

So here's the thing. This is a discussion thread about AoS News and Rumours. You've got your axe to grind, and you know what? I've got no problem with that in and of itself. However, there's an appropriate time and place, and you seem more interested in coming into the AoS threads to gak them up and argue with people than actually have any kind of actual discussion about the product. I'm no fan of Rob Lane, but I don't constantly go into the Mierce threads to gak them up. If you want to carry on carrying on about how GW and AoS insulted you, might I suggest starting up an off-site blog on Wordpress or Blogger. Not because the discussion has no place on Dakka, but if you have your own Blog then you're not beholden in any way to the rules or mods here, and you're pretty much your own master as long as you don't do anything illegal. better yet, you'll probably be able to connect with others who are unhappy with the direction of GW/AoS and that way you'll be able to have what is much more a discussion of like-minded people. Or connect with the 9th Age or KoW community. Paint models and share pictures of them. Basically, you should consider doing something more constructive and positive with your time.

Because quite frankly, constantly going into the AoS threads with no other intent besides wanting to complain about some stupid "jokey" bits of the free rules released over a year ago, complaining about everything else in a rather entitled manner and essentially causing trouble has made you into the bad guy here.

Quoted for truth.

Ok, so some units have multiple roles. But do they count as having either or having both? Being able to take 4 heroes and then bring a leader/behemoth in would not be great. They should occupie 2 slots.

If you have a hero that is also a monster, then he will use a leader slot but also a behemoth slot.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 KiloFiX wrote:
Just wondering, why are some folks saying it's about double SCGT? Isn't Nagash in SCGT about 50 points? Or , am I totally off on that?

People are saying its roughly 20x the SCGT pool prices. Nagash is actually about 16x, but others I checked quickly (Archaon, Orruk Megaboss on Maw Krusha) are 20x their pool price.

Due to the rules of one, you will notice casters costing less than the SCGT equivalent. They have put some thought into importing that point system.

Just FYI :

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/694882.page#8737634

separate thread for the Gorechosen release,

we'll keep this for releases directly for the AoS game

as you were !

 KiloFiX wrote:


Megaboss on Maw Krusher seems awful expensive at 500+ pts though.

At a glance, i'm not horrified. He's a force-multiplier, and potentially devastating on his own. I've seen him played well, and ping-ponged between enough units to earn 500pts worth of space. :-p

500 pts is not nearly enough points. 500 points is a steep discount. The azyr formula had him coming out to be the equivalent of around 900 points.

 auticus wrote:
500 pts is not nearly enough points. 500 points is a steep discount. The azyr formula had him coming out to be the equivalent of around 900 points.

Oh, I guess he was at a super huge discount if playing with the simplified "Wounds" then since he was only about 7 Ard boys.

Is there a write up somewhere on what goes into the SCGT consideration? I realize it's not an exact calc and involves some play testing and adjustment.

 auticus wrote:
500 pts is not nearly enough points. 500 points is a steep discount. The azyr formula had him coming out to be the equivalent of around 900 points.

Is that the generic one though, or the character?

 Siegfried VII wrote:
If you have a hero that is also a monster, then he will use a leader slot but also a behemoth slot.

we don't know anything yet so be wary of speculation should someone provide you with a guess.

 VeteranNoob wrote:

 Siegfried VII wrote:
If you have a hero that is also a monster, then he will use a leader slot but also a behemoth slot.

we don't know anything yet so be wary of speculation should someone provide you with a guess.

If everything's based on "Battlefield Roles", all you have to do is look at the leaked stuff where it actually says "Leader" and "Behemoth" next to the Fyreslayers on Magmadroths.

Daston wrote:

Davor wrote:
Buys GW products, complains about 15 pounds or $30 Canadian. Mmmmm. Can't tell if serious or not.

Its more, has a lot of WHFB stuff still dosn't like AoS rule set but willing to give the new points system a chance. I feel they should have done this to start with hence begrudged to pay money for a fix.

That makes more sense now.

Ben on BadDice is answering questions within reason now. Maybe you can see the thread as a visitor. Or better yet, if you're not a troll or perpetually unpleasant whining gamer you can subscribe to the forum and comment and enjoy the very very very busy thread.

Via Ben on TGA; via Atias blog:

Via Ben @TGA

"There's some new unit names lists.

Sylvaneth, Bone Splitterz and Beastclaw Raiders.

There are 3 main campaign types.

Path to glory, Map, matrix and ladder.

PTG is a narrative army building campaign with ability upgrades and a race to most glory points

Map show how to play for area with location bonus in games.

Matrix is similar to the old iPad/digital campaign sets where 1 game effects the next.

Ladder is like a tournament style league system.

It's 169 pages.

No such thing as relics.

There are Artifacts and comment traits to go with Allegiance abilities.

Some cool old hammer throwbacks here! Chaos Runeblade, talisman of protection, clook of mist and shadows and cursed book. And lots more.

Points structure is similar to clash/SCGT. You buy a unit of models. You can duplicate them up to a max size per unit.

e.g. Judicators are 160 points for 5

Your unit size can be 5 to 20.

So you pay 160 for 1-5

320 for 6-10 and so on

if you only had 7 Judicators you can still field them but would pay for 6-10

There's a really cool house rule section that basically says you can use this book as a guide and do what you like with is.

Tournaments make tweek things or your own gaming group may prefer to introduce own house rules.

They site measuring to bases as one of these.

Army builds are similar to SCGT but you have restrictions on unit types.

At 2000 points.

1-6 leaders

3+ battleline

max 4 of each artillery and behemoths.

Some units are only battleline if whole army is in a single faction.

No silver tower units at first checking.

Once you have 1 leader and 3 battle line you can spend anything anywhere (so no max 50% style limits like in 8th)"

http://www.tga.community/forums/topic/1436-i-have-the-generals-handbook-ask-me-anything/?page=2

regards,
Lady Atia

I like what I see my GW store are going to make good use of the artifacts and alliance traits. Looking at the grand alliance thread GW is going all out with the community interaction.

From Heelenhammer Twitter (SCGT)

Mmmmm... that table-of-contents makes me hungry. I want to devour that book. Expanded Paths of Glory, points-mode, everything I could've wanted...

Apparently the only omission which makes me a touch sad, is not including points for the Silver Tower heroes. I really wanted to field Tenebrael Shard.

Don't care about this points or the General's Handbook; I just want the new Sylvaneth.


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NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Mmmmm... that table-of-contents makes me hungry. I want to devour that book. Expanded Paths of Glory, points-mode, everything I could've wanted...

Apparently the only omission which makes me a touch sad, is not including points for the Silver Tower heroes. I really wanted to field Tenebrael Shard.

You'll have to wait for Shadowkin, most likely.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Mmmmm... that table-of-contents makes me hungry. I want to devour that book. Expanded Paths of Glory, points-mode, everything I could've wanted...

Apparently the only omission which makes me a touch sad, is not including points for the Silver Tower heroes. I really wanted to field Tenebrael Shard.

That could be an inherent omission for a future release, but I doubt it. But I'm sure if you just multipy their SCGT cost by whatever mulitiplier GW usef no one will bat an eye.