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 Ouze wrote:
I have been definitely getting my painting backlog processed. There is literally nowhere to go. In fact, I am so concerned with the progress I am making into the Pile Of Shame that I ordered some SoB kits, so I can have another unfinished army.

The cool thing about mostly working from home is not having to drive to work. The downside is I don't feel like I am ever off work. I only have my short break, and my long break.

I know it is a poor thing to complain about when so many people who cannot work remote have simply been laid off unpaid instead.

Or still working with basically no safeguards against infection, including no way to do their job without being in close proximity to other people inside enclosed spaces because their bosses are fething scumbags.

 Easy E wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:
I have a different take, and one I predicted from the start of this thread.

The pandemic will unlock societal change. The US is too corporate and right wing, low tier workers have too few rights compared to just about any modern democratic state.

I am sure Covid-19 will change the way the US approaches workers rights just the way Sandy Hook changed the way that we approached gun violence, and the Afghanistan War changed the way we approach the military-industrial context.

As the kids today say..... oof.

Sadly, I think Ouze is right.

I disagree, this will have more of an impact than those things. Because deaths are one thing; if they happen close to you it is a big deal but outside that it is ultimately a statistic. People move past it because their lives are not directly affected. Morality puts a shockingly small dent in policy.

But INCONVENIENCE on the other hand...

Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
I have been definitely getting my painting backlog processed. There is literally nowhere to go. In fact, I am so concerned with the progress I am making into the Pile Of Shame that I ordered some SoB kits, so I can have another unfinished army.

The cool thing about mostly working from home is not having to drive to work. The downside is I don't feel like I am ever off work. I only have my short break, and my long break.

I know it is a poor thing to complain about when so many people who cannot work remote have simply been laid off unpaid instead.

Or still working with basically no safeguards against infection, including no way to do their job without being in close proximity to other people inside enclosed spaces because their bosses are fething scumbags.

Or those of us stuck overseas working in a 3rd world country away from even wife and kids.

Bran Dawri wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
I have been definitely getting my painting backlog processed. There is literally nowhere to go. In fact, I am so concerned with the progress I am making into the Pile Of Shame that I ordered some SoB kits, so I can have another unfinished army.

The cool thing about mostly working from home is not having to drive to work. The downside is I don't feel like I am ever off work. I only have my short break, and my long break.

I know it is a poor thing to complain about when so many people who cannot work remote have simply been laid off unpaid instead.

Or still working with basically no safeguards against infection, including no way to do their job without being in close proximity to other people inside enclosed spaces because their bosses are fething scumbags.

Or those of us stuck overseas working in a 3rd world country away from even wife and kids.

Aye, please be careful and take care of yourself.

This situation is definitely showing the difference between the managerial class and the working class. Work from home for the former, layoffs, firings, and unsafe conditions for the latter.

Gadzilla666 wrote:

Bran Dawri wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
I have been definitely getting my painting backlog processed. There is literally nowhere to go. In fact, I am so concerned with the progress I am making into the Pile Of Shame that I ordered some SoB kits, so I can have another unfinished army.

The cool thing about mostly working from home is not having to drive to work. The downside is I don't feel like I am ever off work. I only have my short break, and my long break.

I know it is a poor thing to complain about when so many people who cannot work remote have simply been laid off unpaid instead.

Or still working with basically no safeguards against infection, including no way to do their job without being in close proximity to other people inside enclosed spaces because their bosses are fething scumbags.

Or those of us stuck overseas working in a 3rd world country away from even wife and kids.

Aye, please be careful and take care of yourself.

This situation is definitely showing the difference between the managerial class and the working class. Work from home for the former, layoffs, firings, and unsafe conditions for the latter.

Had one of those "managerial" class kind of people tell me today that no one is allowed out for any reason, I tried to explain to her that people need to earn money regardless of the risk, she said that the government would pay them and no matter how many times I tried to explain that would take time and these people need money now she just could not get it, nevermind that she was wrong about not being allowed out in the first place.

That's the sort of idiots that we have though.. Its staggering that people are too dumb to realise that they're not mandated to remain locked in their homes. You are allowed to leave, and are not required to give an excuse to do so, although I've seen a disturbing article recently where fines were handed out to a woman, in what seems to me to be a breach of the powers set out in the new bill.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-52121216

Ahh the classic.
Aka the architect going to the plumber in a construction Site complaining about the plumbing, whilest you have to explain to the architect that no, that does not work and yes the Plan ist incorrect due to elevation......

Many companies HIRE managers. IMO that is already a mistake; they should be PROMOTING people to manager. Some companies have that figured out, and it shows. Does not help as much when promotions are done poorly, but still.


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 RiTides wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
The Mask/No Nask hypothesis is disproved by the fact that Korea's infection curve was as sharp as any of the No Mask nation's, and it's a famously mask-wearing nation like Japan.

I don't think that's a fair generalization of Korea, at least. They got caught by surprise early by that large church meeting in close quarters, without masks, and infecting hundreds of people to seed the nation before they were ready. The fact that they then completely demolished the curve after those cases were dealt with would only add to the mask argument, not detract from it.

At the Very least, we know it can make a person 5x less likely to get sick if in the vicinity of someone who is positive. Of course washing hands, not touching your face, also obviously help. But to say it's been disproved or doesn't help just isn't factual. There are lots of reasons why it can't be implemented in a large country like the US, of course (lack of masks, different culture, etc). But that's very different from saying it wasn't a factor in the strategy of those very successful countries.

An N95 mask will give you x5 protection. Most people wear the standard kind of surgical mask. This doesn't give protection. It does help stop the spray of droplets when you cough or sneeze, but the virus is often being spread by people who are asymptomatic, and only breathing out small particles which aren't trapped by a standard surgical mask. Plus, because the surgical mask doesn't stop small particles, once you've coughed into it, subsequent coughs start to push tiny droplets through.

If a standard surgical mask gives no protection, that is ultimately a good thing. Because while it does not block everything it will definitely block some airborne particles, and it means those particles cannot carry the virus. If they did, then blocking them would offer at least some protection. If they do not, it means everyone is completely safe from anything they would be blocking.

 Ouze wrote:
I have been definitely getting my painting backlog processed. There is literally nowhere to go. In fact, I am so concerned with the progress I am making into the Pile Of Shame that I ordered some SoB kits, so I can have another unfinished army.

The cool thing about mostly working from home is not having to drive to work. The downside is I don't feel like I am ever off work. I only have my short break, and my long break.

I know it is a poor thing to complain about when so many people who cannot work remote have simply been laid off unpaid instead.

Yeah lockdown sure helps fighting pile of grey plastic

Though I actually started whole new hobby while at it. Oil painting canvases Bob Ross style. Though good news is that's expensive enough that it won't take that much time. Suddenly miniatures start to feel like cheap hobby With oil painting 50e goes in a day easily.

In corona news UK gets whopping 30 UK built ventilators this week. Good job UK.

Considering that cutting out commuting can be 2 hours or more saved from a persons day I can see management and other not-essential-on-site workers pushing for more work at home options.

It might even start to become a more common thing, especially for families as employees and employers find that yes staff can work and be productive from home. Making a saving on travel, car and care costs.

tneva82 wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
I have been definitely getting my painting backlog processed. There is literally nowhere to go. In fact, I am so concerned with the progress I am making into the Pile Of Shame that I ordered some SoB kits, so I can have another unfinished army.

The cool thing about mostly working from home is not having to drive to work. The downside is I don't feel like I am ever off work. I only have my short break, and my long break.

I know it is a poor thing to complain about when so many people who cannot work remote have simply been laid off unpaid instead.

Yeah lockdown sure helps fighting pile of grey plastic

Though I actually started whole new hobby while at it. Oil painting canvases Bob Ross style. Though good news is that's expensive enough that it won't take that much time. Suddenly miniatures start to feel like cheap hobby With oil painting 50e goes in a day easily.


In corona news UK gets whopping 30 UK built ventilators this week. Good job UK.

It's a start at least, only 19970 to go!

Aren't those just the prototypes/early production models for testing/approval before they go nuts with manufacturing? And isn't that number just from one consortium producing them?




It's one of those numbers games where every different publication picks a different angle and slant on things and reports subtle different bits. Some reporting early estimations; others the total order; others the expected production scale; others extrapolating numbers; others mixing up the numbers. Also that was only the UK number; they didn't say what the overseas orders were totalling; nor the distribution etc...

 Overread wrote:
Considering that cutting out commuting can be 2 hours or more saved from a persons day I can see management and other not-essential-on-site workers pushing for more work at home options.

It might even start to become a more common thing, especially for families as employees and employers find that yes staff can work and be productive from home. Making a saving on travel, car and care costs.

My job is doing kind of a weird thing. We're designated federally critical employees so we're definitely still working. Since I work in IT, we can do pretty much all of it remote, and practice just that a bunch of times per year.

But they still want people coming into the building for reasons they haven't been able to adequately explain, so I'm still physically going into work every other week, along with another person because they don't want anyone there alone for safety reasons. So I'm in a weird middle ground where we're still probably all going to get infected anyway, but more slowly.

My guess is once we have the first positive case in my building, we'll be 100% remote. We already had a positive case in a fairly close location.

Working from home, but if someone lags behind, they'll be called back to office. I don't think they quite got the idea as to why work from home was implemented?

I could do 90% of my work renmotely, if the ibternet wasn't gak here.

 Overread wrote:
Considering that cutting out commuting can be 2 hours or more saved from a persons day I can see management and other not-essential-on-site workers pushing for more work at home options.

It might even start to become a more common thing, especially for families as employees and employers find that yes staff can work and be productive from home. Making a saving on travel, car and care costs.

Hopefully. It wasn't until I started working from home during this that I realised how miserable having to commute in and back out was making me. It's not even that far (Knowle in south Bristol into the city centre) but unreliable bus services, being stuck in traffic with no seat, said traffic turning a 20-30 minute journey into over an hour (especially on the way back when I just want to get home) etc. just makes it grind me down over time.

I'm no less productive at home, most of the time my team are all communicating over messaging software anyway, even when we are in the office! Since I fall into the criteria of vulnerable to covid-19 I'll see about dragging out working from home as long as possible. Hopefully I can persuade management to let me work remotely going forwards even after this has all blown over, at the very least for a couple of days a week.

 Orlanth wrote:

 Vulcan wrote:

I don't think you quite get it.

What I get is that America has not known want since the 1930's, and that produced a radical political leadership.

 Vulcan wrote:

Here in America, roughly 80% of the voters identifies itself first and foremost by PARTY. And even the 'left' party is, at best, centerist to center RIGHT and just as dependent on political donations by big business to risk alienating them as the conservative right. This is a stark contrast to other nations that have a genuine left party to balance the right and generally don't allow their political process to be dominated by corporate money.

 Vulcan wrote:

And because of the divide over partisan identity, it's quite possible that there will never BE a full-bore government lockdown in America. One side is pushing for an increasing level of isolation and would certainly support it in time. The other side will then certainly reject all such measures solely and entirely BECAUSE their political opposition is supporting it.

That's the 'beauty' in what an elemental force provides, it cares not about your affiliations.
Middle class Americans suffered in the Great Depression, the result was New Deal and the clock was frozen for a while on the advance of the plutocracy and some gains were made in rights for the poorest.
Never underestimate the power of the base needs of the proletariat.

I'd argue that it's also the petite bourgeoisie of the middle class being prodded down to the proletariat's level. People who are used to a comfortable lifestyle can get rather angry when it gets ripped away from them after all. The same people who voted for the "leopards eating people's faces party" as long as the leopard ate the faces of the lower class and left them alone will get mightily upset when the leopard looks at their face and drools.


Man, that was a strange way to agree with someone.

I know that there’s bigger things to worry about atm (I know some people on death’s door ) but I wonder, will GW survive this?

 Future War Cultist wrote:
I know that there’s bigger things to worry about atm (I know some people on death’s door ) but I wonder, will GW survive this?

Quite a few tears will not be shed..

Why the Heck is the UK recovery rate so low? Its hardly moved compared to constantly rising deaths.

The UK death to recovery rate is worrying, however it might also be because its still in the early stages so a lot of those on the infected path still have a week or more till estimated recovery (2 or more weeks is a long time). Another aspect is age and health of those infected. It might be the high and rising death toll is in the older and pre-existing condition segment of the infected, whilst those who are not being killed by it are yet to properly recover.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
I know that there’s bigger things to worry about atm (I know some people on death’s door ) but I wonder, will GW survive this?

GW holds almost no debt because they fund expansion with profits rather than loans/overdrafts. So in theory they can weather this storm better than a lot of other companies. Furthermore they can dip into savings that they've got lined up for quite a while or even sell off highstreet store sites if they really have too (though prices are not likely to be good right now). Basically they've got a good few options to survive. Plus once things start to reboot theyv'e got a hungry market that will likely repeat what the supermarkets have been experiencing- ergo boom sales.

What's killing off a lot of businesses is that many operate very close to the line right now. They basically only survive week/month to week/month. They don't have four months worth of operational savings to tide them over etc... They don't have large reserves to restock if their suppliers all shut down and demand is still there. Even with government pay-outs they can still be on the wrong side of earning. That's before we touch on debts. A lot of companies start and expand by taking out loans and such; whilst I'm sure some loans are getting delayed right now; it can be those kind of costs that can cripple a company when the economy takes a downturn. Because they've still got to make repayments and it only takes one company calling in a loan and demanding payment to cause a company to go into administration because they simply don't have the funds to pay.


I'd say GW is in a healthy position sitting on a very strong bed of profits and investments that gives them flexibility to survive this event. They've also a loyal customerbase that will start up again in full force once they can resume production and trading. So GW can look to make fast sales to recover their losses.

 Future War Cultist wrote:
I know that there’s bigger things to worry about atm (I know some people on death’s door ) but I wonder, will GW survive this?

I imagine Gw will survive, unless they no longer keep money in the bank. As long as money is still worth something when this is over enough for business I think they'll be ok.

GW will be fine BUT...a lot of the smaller local game shops probably won't, and this will probably be the death blow to a lot of comics shops too.

Among many, many other things, the Geek Landscape will probably be greatly altered too, once things return to whatever the New Normal ends up becoming.

They're going to remove about 2700 sailors of the Roosevelt. They're not leaving Guam. They're trying to put them in hotels but... A lot of GP medium tents and cots are being prepped for shipment with AC units. Seems they're staying on Navy property or maybe a unused runway at Anderson AFB there. Hardly any B52's there now

Oh and Queen Ann Revenge. Saw the movies and lived the life in the US Army. Your EoD. I was Movement Coordinator. Retired. Also I did three years as a SurgTech in the OR room so I've a little bit of medical background. Work now as a DoD civilian as a Movement Coordinator with the US Navy. USS Nimitz sitting right outside my window. Which today the crew went into self isolation. They moved a medical barge right by it. The entire pier is sealed off. Seawolf crew had 8 iffy possible but they came out from underwater right into allergy season. So far as we know no one has the 19 that works on base including Bangor. Though both bases are literally Ghost towns. USS Lincoln (San Diego) done the same as USS Nimitz and USS Carl Vinson in drydock.

As for carriers protection against NBC warfare. The first three confirm cases were flown to Guam. Next thing is we now have over 80 confirm cases. Confine living space and work areas. Pretty much face to butt wake up moments from my time on a carrier (was weird I know, MCT team on a carrier but damn the food was good). So pretty much the entire crew been exposed to it. So removing the 2700 crew from Roosevelt they can actually deep clean and I mean deep clean the Roosevelt. Crux of the matter. Reinfection. Catch 22. The time it was spreading around the crew (USS Roosevelt) not much was known about the pandemic in SE Asia. They think they picked it up at Vietnam. It did spend a week in Manila before Vietnam. First case with the incubation time placed it at Vietnam.

Luzon Philippines under locked down same as Manila.
Phuket Thailand is locked down. They had 15 min warning before the Thai Army locked the bridge down
Sasebo and Yokosuka Japan. Iwukani(?) actually Okinawa. Think Japan has it contain from the word we're getting. Also the same logistic chain is being used

FL we already know about but New Orleans also happen so its going to explode there. Think there is a reserve medical brigade there in the region.

Ireland looks grim.

Anyone know any Movement Coordinators in UK military I can trade talk with

We're looking at 18 to 24 months. There's a model of 36 month concerning mainly Logistics Hubs and alternate logistics Hubs but Hell we be at Road Warrior, TWD, and Black Death rolled into one.
Anyone with a Economist degree?

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Trade one 5.56mm round for two Space Marines. If Ultra color its four then

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Wasn't Battlestar Galactica considered a carrier? SDF-1? Battleship Yamamoto was a hybrid.

 Jihadin wrote:
Trade one 5.56mm round for two Space Marines. If Ultra color its four then

An eminently reasonable conversion rate.

 Overread wrote:
Considering that cutting out commuting can be 2 hours or more saved from a persons day I can see management and other not-essential-on-site workers pushing for more work at home options.

It might even start to become a more common thing, especially for families as employees and employers find that yes staff can work and be productive from home. Making a saving on travel, car and care costs.

The fun part is going to be when executives start realizing they don't actually need most of these people working from home, when they can have computer software and modern communications do most of the same work for way less ongoing expense...


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 Jihadin wrote:

Wasn't Battlestar Galactica considered a carrier? SDF-1? Battleship Yamamoto was a hybrid.

The battlestar Galactica was a carrier, in that it's fighters were it's main battery. It had some point defense and a few longer-ranged weapons, but really depended on it's fighters for it's striking power.

Intriguingly, the battlestar Pegasus seemed to be much more heavily armed. At the very least, it had the firepower to take out two basestars and chase off a third while it's fighters remained behind with Galactica.

The SDF's were effectively battleships that carried fighters for point defense. The fighters really weren't capable of taking on enemy ships on their own, that took the firepower of the ship's main guns. But the ship itself couldn't destroy enemy fighters and mecha fast enough to keep them at arm's length, thus the fighters. I suspect the same was true of Space Battleship Yamato.

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As another reminder - no politics and stay on topic, please. There's a Lot we can discuss here and still adhere to those two things...

 Overread wrote:
The UK death to recovery rate is worrying, however it might also be because its still in the early stages so a lot of those on the infected path still have a week or more till estimated recovery (2 or more weeks is a long time). Another aspect is age and health of those infected. It might be the high and rising death toll is in the older and pre-existing condition segment of the infected, whilst those who are not being killed by it are yet to properly recover.

I dont think the NHS is confirming recovery until it is medically certain. That is their way. It differs to a lot of other western countries so expect the recovered statistics to lag behind.


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GW will almost certainly survive, however it might put limits on the retail arms recovery. Stores might not reopen and the business model may go online sales.

I heard yesterday that only 12% of italys death toll can be actually attributed to Covid19 as the definitive cause of death.

need to be careful about the numbers that are around

there is a difference between death by SARS-CoV2 and "death with"

also there are numbers for total death per day and those connected to Covid19

as for Italy, there are ~1600 dead per day under normal conditions
Covid19 adds to this numbers to a total of 2200-2400 per day and not all of them die directly because of SARS-CoV2 but because they cannot get the treatment they would need as the hospitals are way over their capacity and are therefore counted torwards the death toll for Covid19 (but not for death by SARS-CoV2)

Also, due to it damaging the lungs there can be a whole slew of other follow up sicknesses that are deadly which would not've been an issue before infection.