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Point is they built it. I doubt we have contingencies even remotely as sophisticated. You any idea how much BS and red tape there is to set up medical infrastructure in most western countries.
I doubt we even have the tents.


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 Vulcan wrote:
Now here's the scary part. Imagine someone infected with this virus working in a fast-food joint. Up to two weeks of working with people's food while being contagous but asymptomatic is scary.

That's how it's going to explode in America, if it gets that far. Just one fast-food worker could infect tens of thousands...


What if it hit a known hub for human trafficking?

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I'll believe the worldwide epidemic scare-fest when I see it. In the meantime, what-ifs can be anything; "what if an asteroid we haven't seen coming hits earth tomorrow and kills all life?"

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 Ouze wrote:
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What if it hit a known hub for human trafficking?


No more serious than any other port. Human trafficking numbers are miniscule compared to legal travel, and it occurs near transport hubs anyway, so the extra people wont make a difference.


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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I'll believe the worldwide epidemic scare-fest when I see it. In the meantime, what-ifs can be anything; "what if an asteroid we haven't seen coming hits earth tomorrow and kills all life?"


No. I reject that utterly. Asteroid impacts can happen and are only remotely scary because we are now aware of them, but the odds are astronomically low, literally, major impacts are tens of millions of years apart. Supervolcanoes are more of a threat and they are tens of thousands of years apart.

A virus with a long latency period is not something to be handwaved away. You are infectious prior to onset of symptoms, so it spreads very quickly and efficiently, and it doesn't kill its host quickly. This is a dire threat, 2% fatality is a huge number when you consider the number of people it can effect. A normal flu bug can run through a large portion of the population, literally millions of people. A bug that kills 2% of those kills a lot of people.
Those are direct casualties, then you have to factor in poverty and ill health as factors. So the average selfish jackass who gets coronavirus, decides not to tell anyone but takes some cold medicine and gets back to work is ok, its the vulnerable people around him who are truly at risk.
If this gets out of its Wuhan cage it can kill a lot of people, especially if it reaches places that are densely populated and relatively poor, once that happens worldwide spread will be impossible to stop.

There is a difference between alarmism and rational concern. This is rational concern, the virus is holding a lot of the cards, its easily spread, has already mutated so it may mutate again hampering efforts to contain, infectious prior to onset of symptoms and has a low enough lethality that it can spread very far. Those are all rational concerns. However China is doing a good job of containment, foreign governments are taking this threat seriously with quarantine measures being implemented by several governments. I have every confidence that the can best this bug, but not every confidence that we will.
Take a look around you. Governments do not implement mass quarantine for giggles, people from multiple jurisdictions with more info on this virus than Dakka members are taking fairly extreme measures, measures that are socially as well as politically costly. Australia has announced full 14 day quarantine for all people who visit Wuhan, so has France. They are not pissing about.

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 Alpharius wrote:
Quick, someone fire up the Peter Wiggin symbol!!!


We tried last outbreak, but alas, he never showed up.

   
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 Orlanth wrote:
 Ouze wrote:
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What if it hit a known hub for human trafficking?


No more serious than any other port. Human trafficking numbers are miniscule compared to legal travel, and it occurs near transport hubs anyway, so the extra people wont make a difference.


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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I'll believe the worldwide epidemic scare-fest when I see it. In the meantime, what-ifs can be anything; "what if an asteroid we haven't seen coming hits earth tomorrow and kills all life?"


No. I reject that utterly. Asteroid impacts can happen and are only remotely scary because we are now aware of them, but the odds are astronomically low, literally, major impacts are tens of millions of years apart. Supervolcanoes are more of a threat and they are tens of thousands of years apart.

A virus with a long latency period is not something to be handwaved away. You are infectious prior to onset of symptoms, so it spreads very quickly and efficiently, and it doesn't kill its host quickly. This is a dire threat, 2% fatality is a huge number when you consider the number of people it can effect. A normal flu bug can run through a large portion of the population, literally millions of people. A bug that kills 2% of those kills a lot of people.
Those are direct casualties, then you have to factor in poverty and ill health as factors. So the average selfish jackass who gets coronavirus, decides not to tell anyone but takes some cold medicine and gets back to work is ok, its the vulnerable people around him who are truly at risk.
If this gets out of its Wuhan cage it can kill a lot of people, especially if it reaches places that are densely populated and relatively poor, once that happens worldwide spread will be impossible to stop.

There is a difference between alarmism and rational concern. This is rational concern, the virus is holding a lot of the cards, its easily spread, has already mutated so it may mutate again hampering efforts to contain, infectious prior to onset of symptoms and has a low enough lethality that it can spread very far. Those are all rational concerns. However China is doing a good job of containment, foreign governments are taking this threat seriously with quarantine measures being implemented by several governments. I have every confidence that the can best this bug, but not every confidence that we will.
Take a look around you. Governments do not implement mass quarantine for giggles, people from multiple jurisdictions with more info on this virus than Dakka members are taking fairly extreme measures, measures that are socially as well as politically costly. Australia has announced full 14 day quarantine for all people who visit Wuhan, so has France. They are not pissing about.
Exactly. Governments have and are proving extremely capable of dealing with this issue. When was the last time the first world had an epidemic? How many casualties were there? How many reasons for harm and or death are more likely to affect the average person? Rational concern would be the impact that the stress of worrying about coronavirus will have on your health, people have plenty of that already and don't need more. I absolutely do not support giving people needless stress.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:

Exactly. Governments have and are proving extremely capable of dealing with this issue. When was the last time the first world had an epidemic? How many casualties were there? How many reasons for harm and or death are more likely to affect the average person? Rational concern would be the impact that the stress of worrying about coronavirus will have on your health, people have plenty of that already and don't need more. I absolutely do not support giving people needless stress.


Sounds like complacency to me. Governments are taking this seriously, that doesnt mean they will win.
a case in point:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

I'll believe the worldwide epidemic scare-fest when I see it.



When you see it you have already lost.

Here is the problem, the virus only needs to break out long enough to spread. Governments need to contain it on an ongoing basis until the virus burns out or there is a vaccine. The problem here is that containment is expensive, economically and socially and governments may be under pressure to release containment measures if no progress of the virus is found. Sadly this can lead to premature action and the proliferation of the virus.

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 Grey Templar wrote:


We're not at the stage where anybody should be panicking though. For all the hype, we're still talking about something only a few thousand people have contracted. If we assume the Chinese are heavily downplaying the number of people getting sick and say maybe its tens of thousands instead, that is still a tiny number of people.


Wasn't there a report yesterday from a Chinese nurse claiming the number is actually in the 90k range?

Ah, here it was https://twitter.com/arslan_hidayat/status/1220789302881329153

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 Orlanth wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:

Exactly. Governments have and are proving extremely capable of dealing with this issue. When was the last time the first world had an epidemic? How many casualties were there? How many reasons for harm and or death are more likely to affect the average person? Rational concern would be the impact that the stress of worrying about coronavirus will have on your health, people have plenty of that already and don't need more. I absolutely do not support giving people needless stress.


Sounds like complacency to me. Governments are taking this seriously, that doesnt mean they will win.
a case in point:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

I'll believe the worldwide epidemic scare-fest when I see it.



When you see it you have already lost.

Here is the problem, the virus only needs to break out long enough to spread. Governments need to contain it on an ongoing basis until the virus burns out or there is a vaccine. The problem here is that containment is expensive, economically and socially and governments may be under pressure to release containment measures if no progress of the virus is found. Sadly this can lead to premature action and the proliferation of the virus.
What do you propose people actually do then? Because without action this is just giving people more stress they don't need. I may not LIKE people in general but I don't believe in needless suffering, even if that is merely stress over something with an irrelevant chance of happening.

Also when was the last epidemic in the first world and what were the casualties? I am honestly interested in that information if anyone could point me in the right direction.

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The Spanish Flu was the last major worldwide epidemic. It killed millions, even in developed countries. The thing is its often forgotten because it happened at the same time as WW1, so its danger gets overlooked.

Yes, we learned a lot and have plans for the next epidemic. The thing is that that ability for modern society to contain a worldwide epidemic has never been put to the test. We simply haven't had one yet. And that's the reason a lot of people are rightfully concerned, we've had a century to prepare for a worldwide epidemic but haven't actually tested it. We don't know if we're ready, but time is up. Worldwide epidemics are cyclical and happen roughly every 100 years or so, so we are overdue and its a little concerning.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
What do you propose people actually do then? Because without action this is just giving people more stress they don't need.


First world problems.

People outside the western bubble deal with stress all the time. Real nasty stress, like daily life in Iran or North Korea, or dealing with guerillas in the nearby jungle, or Ebola, or the tsetse fly etc.
Coronavirus is genuinely scary, welcome to hard reality. Toughen up a bit. Dont let fear consume you.


 NinthMusketeer wrote:

I may not LIKE people in general but I don't believe in needless suffering, even if that is merely stress over something with an irrelevant chance of happening.


The chance of this reaching the west is reasonably high. It already has but it has been contained. It only needs to break containment, proliferate in a high traffic environment and be detected too late for it to spread worldwide.
The good news is that like living in a village next to roaming tigers, you are unlikely to perish, but it will happen to someone. Say you catch Coronavirus, unless you are very unhealthy you are likely to survive, and even if you are not healthy western medicine gives you a fighting chance. Its a flu, so once you have had it and rolled your d100 and passed you don't need to worry about it again. You will not be making death saves every week.
Cancer and heart disease are far bigger risks, as are automobiles, yet you probably are not losing sleep over them. Place coronavirus in perspective, its a genuine risk, its however not like you are being called up to fight the Germans and have to take a troop ship through U-boat infested waters to make a beachhead invasion on the other wise then a land campaign.
We westerners are too soft nowadays, life has inherent persistent risk for most people outside the golden billion. Only occasionally like this does risk come to all.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

Also when was the last epidemic in the first world and what were the casualties? I am honestly interested in that information if anyone could point me in the right direction.


Spanish Flu killed more people than WW1 and in about a quarter of the timespan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu

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First world problems.

People outside the western bubble deal with stress all the time. Real nasty stress, like daily life in Iran or North Korea, or dealing with guerillas in the nearby jungle, or Ebola, or the tsetse fly etc.
Coronavirus is genuinely scary, welcome to hard reality. Toughen up a bit. Dont let fear consume you.


Smug platitudes aside, the question still stands - what do you want people to *do*?

It's not like a natural disaster where people can stock up on supplies, or evacuate, there's no action that can be taken ahead of time. So it really is useless stress.

   
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 Orlanth wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
What do you propose people actually do then? Because without action this is just giving people more stress they don't need.


First world problems.

People outside the western bubble deal with stress all the time. Real nasty stress, like daily life in Iran or North Korea, or dealing with guerillas in the nearby jungle, or Ebola, or the tsetse fly etc.
Coronavirus is genuinely scary, welcome to hard reality. Toughen up a bit. Dont let fear consume you.
Oh, that's where you are at. Nevermind then.


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 Grey Templar wrote:
The Spanish Flu was the last major worldwide epidemic. It killed millions, even in developed countries. The thing is its often forgotten because it happened at the same time as WW1, so its danger gets overlooked.

Yes, we learned a lot and have plans for the next epidemic. The thing is that that ability for modern society to contain a worldwide epidemic has never been put to the test. We simply haven't had one yet. And that's the reason a lot of people are rightfully concerned, we've had a century to prepare for a worldwide epidemic but haven't actually tested it. We don't know if we're ready, but time is up. Worldwide epidemics are cyclical and happen roughly every 100 years or so, so we are overdue and its a little concerning.
Ah, I see. Thank you for the reference.

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 Orlanth wrote:

I doubt we even have the tents.


Exactly! Just look how bad the West reacts to major natural disasters. It takes hours to pledge resources, and a day or two to send rescuers and materials across the globe from multiple countries. Horrible and inefficient.China and other authoritarian regimes are much better at under-reporting...there is no war in Ba Sing Se.

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Cronch wrote:
 Orlanth wrote:

I doubt we even have the tents.


Exactly! Just look how bad the West reacts to major natural disasters. It takes hours to pledge resources, and a day or two to send rescuers and materials across the globe from multiple countries. Horrible and inefficient.China and other authoritarian regimes are much better at under-reporting...there is no war in Ba Sing Se.



Meanwhile in switzerland, local chinese swiss double citizens (often critical of the regime) are organizing via societies help and ressources...... on top of the federal council.

But we are unprepared, (milions of masks ready, not to mention tents and military hospitals allready existing) underfunded () and not capable of fast solutions and medtech (ever been in basel?) and we are not ready to help our neighours (even tough we joke about ours, doesn't mean we wont help them and work with them also scientific integration is at an all time high with the EU).


But i reccomend to you happily willfully suporting the regime orlanth, you are a real hero of the (soon to be looking at the radishes from under the earth) people.


   
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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
Quick, someone fire up the Peter Wiggin symbol!!!


We tried last outbreak, but alas, he never showed up.


You don't think...?
   
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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Someone explain the inside joke, please.


I think this is it https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/617139.page

   
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 ScarletRose wrote:
First world problems.

People outside the western bubble deal with stress all the time. Real nasty stress, like daily life in Iran or North Korea, or dealing with guerillas in the nearby jungle, or Ebola, or the tsetse fly etc.
Coronavirus is genuinely scary, welcome to hard reality. Toughen up a bit. Dont let fear consume you.


Smug platitudes aside, the question still stands - what do you want people to *do*?

It's not like a natural disaster where people can stock up on supplies, or evacuate, there's no action that can be taken ahead of time. So it really is useless stress.



Sometimes there is little you can 'do' to fight the virus. Trick is not to feel powerless because of that, and no that isn't being smug, its just a bit of common sense.

Awareness is key. If coronavirus spreads you will receive warning in time. Don't panic. If it hits your town wear a mask even in public, avoid restaurants and cook at home. Don't shake hands, don't touch your face with your hands and wash your hands with clinical gel like you do when you visit a hospital. Take basic precautions and risk is minimal.
If you do get infected dont keep it to yourself, inform your doctor. Stay at home, follow medical advice, avoid contact with people. Everyone in the west except the very poorest or most infirm will be ok. Diseases of this kind kill those well below the poverty line and not others.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
 Orlanth wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
What do you propose people actually do then? Because without action this is just giving people more stress they don't need.


First world problems.

People outside the western bubble deal with stress all the time. Real nasty stress, like daily life in Iran or North Korea, or dealing with guerillas in the nearby jungle, or Ebola, or the tsetse fly etc.
Coronavirus is genuinely scary, welcome to hard reality. Toughen up a bit. Dont let fear consume you.
Oh, that's where you are at. Nevermind then.


Fear, don't fear, you choose.



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Not Online!!! wrote:



But i reccomend to you happily willfully suporting the regime orlanth, you are a real hero of the (soon to be looking at the radishes from under the earth) people.



Thank you, when do I get my 50 cents?

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 Alpharius wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
Quick, someone fire up the Peter Wiggin symbol!!!


We tried last outbreak, but alas, he never showed up.


You don't think...?


We'd better send someone in a hazmat suit to check on him.

   
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 Orlanth wrote:
So the average selfish jackass who gets coronavirus, decides not to tell anyone but takes some cold medicine and gets back to work is ok, its the vulnerable people around him who are truly at risk.


I'd like to remind you the 'average selfish jackass' who doesn't have sick leave doesn't have much choice; it's show up or get fired.

Worse, Mr. Average there is contageous with this bug for two weeks before he even knows he has it. You can't really be mad at someone who doesn't call in sick when they aren't sick!

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 Orlanth wrote:
Fear, don't fear, you choose.
Oh don't worry, the only emotions I am struggling with here are pity and contempt.

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 Vulcan wrote:
 Orlanth wrote:
So the average selfish jackass who gets coronavirus, decides not to tell anyone but takes some cold medicine and gets back to work is ok, its the vulnerable people around him who are truly at risk.


I'd like to remind you the 'average selfish jackass' who doesn't have sick leave doesn't have much choice; it's show up or get fired.

Worse, Mr. Average there is contageous with this bug for two weeks before he even knows he has it. You can't really be mad at someone who doesn't call in sick when they aren't sick!


This is taken into consideration. Someone who doesnt know they are ill cannot be blamed and it is a force multiplier in favour of the virus that it has this dynamic.
However there are plenty of selfish jackasses who know they are ill and dont give a feth about anyone else. Here is a nasty example from history:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Mallon

Even hire and fire societies generally have contingencies in place for events like this. 'I got fired because I didn't turn up for work because I had coronavirus' will get you a lot of support even if you have non-unionised employment. Governments will help these cases because they know the consequences of not doing so. Most sane employers will also be understanding.
What is more likely to happen is people turning up for work knowing they are sick because it means extra money.



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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
 Orlanth wrote:
Fear, don't fear, you choose.
Oh don't worry, the only emotions I am struggling with here are pity and contempt.


Sadly for you they are not justifiable.
Coronaviruas might cause you stress so why discuss it? We discuss it because it is topical and we can keep each other informed.
You may be lucky, most viruses dont like cold temperatures so snowflakes might be immune!

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 Orlanth wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
 Orlanth wrote:
Fear, don't fear, you choose.
Oh don't worry, the only emotions I am struggling with here are pity and contempt.


Sadly for you they are not justifiable.
Coronaviruas might cause you stress so why discuss it? We discuss it because it is topical and we can keep each other informed.
You may be lucky, most viruses dont like cold temperatures so snowflakes might be immune!
You must never need to visit the barber with discussions going over your head that fast.

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 Vulcan wrote:
 Orlanth wrote:
So the average selfish jackass who gets coronavirus, decides not to tell anyone but takes some cold medicine and gets back to work is ok, its the vulnerable people around him who are truly at risk.


I'd like to remind you the 'average selfish jackass' who doesn't have sick leave doesn't have much choice; it's show up or get fired.

Worse, Mr. Average there is contageous with this bug for two weeks before he even knows he has it. You can't really be mad at someone who doesn't call in sick when they aren't sick!


I appreciate someone actually trying, but considering Orlanth's posts consist of asserting how other people think/feel then decrying those asserted thoughts/emotions as badwrong for not being identical to his own thoughts/emotions there's really no point trying to have a conversation.

I can see why Ninth disengaged on this, it's quite unappealing to see someone textually masturbating like that.
   
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 ScarletRose wrote:

I appreciate someone actually trying, but considering Orlanth's posts consist of asserting how other people think/feel then decrying those asserted thoughts/emotions as badwrong for not being identical to his own thoughts/emotions there's really no point trying to have a conversation.



This is a serious issue that requires serious thought. The subject matter is not pleasant and human nature is often dark and selfish.
Cynicism may sadly well be realism when an outbreak occurs.
We see this a lot in the thread already about China bad this and China bad that, while they are fighting this fight. Few stop to think about the mismanagement that western government can descend into in a crisis of this nature. While the west has had no human epidemics there have been several animal ones, and mishandling in government, scare amongst the populace and gross selfishness is sadly rife.

However to go back to your actual comment. Evidently you have been assuming on how it 'feels' rather than reading the actual text. I am a rationalist and don't hold back for anyone, if you want to take a piece of me come back this a logical counter and I will stand my ground and read it, rather than an ad hominem on 'feels'.
Also please show some mental integrity rather than accusations of 'textual masturbation'.


 ScarletRose wrote:

I can see why Ninth disengaged on this, it's quite unappealing to see someone textually masturbating like that.


He is still trying to take a pop at me.


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 BrookM wrote:
I am only going to ask this once: Kindly stay on topic and remain polite to one another.


Ok.

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 Spacemanvic wrote:
2019 flu deaths reached 57,000, out of 41.3 million sickened by it in a 21 month period.

Where does this virus stand in relation?


http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2019/04/us-flu-still-elevated-dropping-deaths-high-57000


It's hard to say as there isn't decent mortality data yet (most of those with the disease are still in hospital),

but it's far less lethal than SARs or MERs (actually a bad thing as it's spread is a lot worse as people don't become symptomatic until they've plenty of time to infect others)

I suspect it's going to be comparable to Flu, possibly one of the bad strains (but not end of WWI pandemic flu), at the moment those showing up at hospital with severe symptoms seem to be elderly or those with messed up immune systems or lung problems (which depressingly includes me)

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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
 Spacemanvic wrote:
2019 flu deaths reached 57,000, out of 41.3 million sickened by it in a 21 month period.

Where does this virus stand in relation?


http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2019/04/us-flu-still-elevated-dropping-deaths-high-57000


It's hard to say as there isn't decent mortality data yet (most of those with the disease are still in hospital),

but it's far less lethal than SARs or MERs (actually a bad thing as it's spread is a lot worse as people don't become symptomatic until they've plenty of time to infect others)

I suspect it's going to be comparable to Flu, possibly one of the bad strains (but not end of WWI pandemic flu), at the moment those showing up at hospital with severe symptoms seem to be elderly or those with messed up immune systems or lung problems (which depressingly includes me)


Mortality for coronavirus is listed at 2%, I think slightly less than that, so lets round down and call it 1%.

So if there are 41 million cases like 2019 flu there will be 410,000 deaths at 1% mortality 820,000 deaths if mortality is at 2%. Now if this reaches Africa, or poorer parts of Asia mortality could well exceed 2% due to poor infrastructure and access to advanced healthcare.
This wouldnt be as bad as Spanish flu or heavens forbid, the plague, but it would count as a major epidemic. Mongolia has now shut the border with China. Things like this don't happen for regular flu.

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