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after reading many warhammer books... I realised that in the warhammer fantasy world there was slaanesh...
and in the warhammer 40.000 universe slaanesh was borne...

i dont know if you guys know anyting about the 40.000 game but the orks are maby feral orks crashed with their spaceships on the planet.... and ''unlearned the skills to make tanks and guns and became feral orks...

the elves are eldar and dark eldar who stayed behind on the planet .... (the planet is in the eye of terror) (the region of space where the eldar (elves) lived and became so dark en evil that slaanesh was born and the eldar died.. and the rest fled .. and their old homeworlds became part of the eye of terror.. now part of chaos

humans ... well some human explorers or somthing....

those skelletions maby some necron thing..

and the super cool armor that chaos champions get is maby spacemarine power armour...


i dont know if you guys get this or understand this... but ... i dont know... what do you guys think???

i seem to remember reading that GW's official stance on this is that they are not realted, fantasy is fantasy and 40k is 40k. they just share some commonalities.

In previous editions you could end up with Chaos Space Marines in your fantasy warband and get fantasy creatures (dragon ogres) in your 40K warband. So they are related despite the recent back peddling on GW's part

Dice Monkey wrote:In previous editions you could end up with Chaos Space Marines in your fantasy warband and get fantasy creatures (dragon ogres) in your 40K warband. So they are related despite the recent back peddling on GW's part

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I always loved the idea of Sigmar being one of the missing Primarchs. Shame GW have pretty much vetoed that idea.

Dice Monkey wrote:In previous editions you could end up with Chaos Space Marines in your fantasy warband and get fantasy creatures (dragon ogres) in your 40K warband. So they are related despite the recent back peddling on GW's part

ah the good old days. one of the best games i had was my marines verse my friends skeleton horde. he had catapults and a baneblade... nice combo...lol. of course my defence laser bearing dreadnoughts couldnt knock out the baneblade so i had to teleport some terminators on top of it and overcharge their thunder hammers to get rid of the damn thing...

There were suggestions from GW's direction that the fantasy world is in fact an isolated alternate reality in the 40k universe.

warhammer fantasy is a world in the 40k universe cut off by a warp storm, thus, why old school chaos warriors in fantasy were able to be armed with chainswords and plasma pistols

Years and years ago in one of the 40k maps in a WD or rulebook they had the major planets in the 40k verse.

And 'Vaul's Anvil' was listed on the map next to the eye of terror- 'Vaul's anvil' is on Ulthuan in WHFB.

The 'old ones' now heavily in necron fluff were in WHFB world.
Warp gates were above the northern and southern poles.

Essentially it should be in the 40k verse- post the birth of slaanesh but no imperial or other 'modern' contacts.

The empire world (or whatever you want to call it) is in the Eye of Terror.

You won't find that blatantly stated in any newer fluff though.

someone told me once that it was a planet someplace.

I like the Sigmar primarch idea. That's just COOL.

reminds me of why I play 40k.

The stuff recovered from Albion(Dark Shadows campaign) is all Wargear from 40k with different names:
Power Armor (HE)
Power Fist (DE)
Power Sword Dwarfs)
Iron Halo

Just to name a few I recall.

Well, one of the older players at my GW store told me about it once.

Now according to him the world is in the 40k universe in the eye of terror but for some reason the daemons and gods of chaos have very little power there compared to the other worlds in the Eye. (this is due to the old ones) However, the planet is supposedly unaccessible to spaceships yet the humans were able to crash land and start up but lost all semblance of technology and became pretty much savages. The orks were introduced by some roks impacting on the planet. And seeing as orks do not build their own devices but scavenge them from others they lost thier tech as well.

He also said that there was a battle report between the men of the empire and some space marines (that accidentally found themselves there after being sucked into a warpstorm) in an old edition of White Dwarf. Which apparently the empire won. (One of the graphics from this battle report can be found as the top banner on the US sites main page.)

Whilst its feasible that they are linked, its more likely GW was being lazy when coming up with background and so just duplicated things across as it suited them, so they didn't have to come up with new ideas-otherwise one day the two systems would end up coliding and that would cause no end of trouble

no, the 40k universe exists inside a wizards crystal ball.

jeremycobert wrote:no, the 40k universe exists inside a wizards crystal ball.

"It's a great big universe and we're all small and puny
We're just tiny little specs about the size of Mickey Rooney..."

Part of me always wanted to think that the Fantasy World was the original Terra of the 40K universe, but somehow, that wouldn't make sense with all the other races, and such.

Also, Terra *is* supposed to be our own Earth, from what I understand.

thats right, terra is our earth, why it was renamed though I have no idea

Technically it wasn't renamed though. It's Latin, as just about everything in High and Low Gothic originates from Latin.

Of course WHFB world is far more similar to our incarnation of Terra Firma than Holy Terra.

I've always liked the idea that WHFB world was being terraformed to match 'ancient earth' of today to create a paradise planet. Before the Warp sucked it up.

If you look at the map it always seems like it's a half-baked Earth, like they just kinda stopped mid-way. Which explains why the 'new world' (the Americas) is nothing but mountains and looks only vaguely similar to the modern day continents. And they just forgot about Aussie land. No one cares about the Aussies.

knowingly on eday GW will put in an Aussie land for a campain, or to introduce another new race, or because they get bored, or because they can, or, well the the list just goes on

No, it's not, your answers can be found in the 25th anniversary WD. Starting out they were going to be the same game, Fantasy was going to be fantasy with a mix of sci-fi, GW decided against it and split them into two games. Now they have nothing to do with each other.

i think they have it as the warhammer world becomes 40k world in 40000 years

ok if that is the case then the races in fantasy would be much more advanced than they are. remenber they are in the empirical calendar year of like 2700 or something like that

The world of Warhammer and Warhammer 40K
ARE in the same world but in very diffrent preiods of time. Warhammer quite obviuosly is on the future.
But some races such the dwarves and the skaven are extinct, (like in a large amount of other games the dwarf legion is whiped from exsistance)...strangely.
But yes the Warhammer and 40K do take place in the same universe but diffrent time periods

If anyone plays the ElderScrolls series you should be familiar with the Empire and the eras, years, adn days...
Actually the Warhammer years and the ElderScrolls years are very alike. One year in the Warhammer world is about i think around 200 to300 days. As to the ElderScrolls is about 300 to 400 days and tehy count it by eras. Example: The Oblivoin game takes place(when you start) 3rd era around the 327th day. But Warhammer is basically just whenever.

It is the same universe, and it is the same time. In fact, in Liber Chaotica the narrator (who is an Empire scholar) is given a vision of the end of his world...by "Giant Chaos warriors in full armor that wield weapons that spit death"

Someday, the Traitor Legions will find the fantasy world...and that is the end....

I remember reading a short story with that scene in - something about an Empire Scholar and an associate casting a spell and seeing lots of worlds on their way to meet Tzeentch himself. I've got to say, I'd assumed 'alternate dimensions'.

I just don't like the idea of them being in the same place, it's an accident waiting to happen. That and surely someone would have found them from 40k in the Warhammer world by now?

Is there a map of terra anywhere?
I always assumed that the Fantasy world is a planet in the 40k world. Slaanesh was born during the fall and ended the warp storms around Terra. In fantasy, slaanesh exist and warp storms are happening in the north, so the fall must have happened, but the warp storms didn't end. So no Warhammer world = Terra.

Just a thought.

Greets
Schepp himself

In the Lizardman history it says they (and later elfs, dwarves, and humans) were created by the "Old Ones" and that the "Old Ones" began to terraform the Warhammer world. All this supposedly began 10's of 1000's of years ago. I always assumed the "Old Ones" who were supposed to be far advanced in technology and magic refered to some 40k race.