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Well honestly I mean think of this... it is perfectly feasable that they are in the same universe and the eye of terror holds the planet. THere is definite evidence of sorcery existing in 40k and all of the greater demons exist in the same form in both universes as do the demons they command, suggesting they are not bound by the limitation of time. Second, someone was trying to argue the logic of why the old ones would create multiple races on the same planet. Well, to begin with, this is rediculous because who the heck knows what the old ones were thinking. perhaps it was an experiment, to see which race truly was mightiest, maybe they didnt put them there and maybe they did. regardless the reason they all exist on that planet is moot and the reason its existence hasnt been discovered is the immaterium itself, maybe its existence is hidden in the webway and thats why the chaos has a low influence there, and why noone but maybe the eldar knows about it, evidence in the black library somewhere.. anyways thats my thoughts...

If it is, then the Imperium is horrible at fighting chaos. I mean they've been fighting for over 30,000 years and the best thing they've done is to push them off of terra.

40k can't be the future of fantasy. There are too many things in fantasy that rely on 40k. The Lizardmen go back the furthest (in fluff history) in fantasy and have tons of fluff about "old ones" and "alien technology" Other fantasy races have similar fluff even in current army books. Elves sat in the laps of the old ones to learn magic and all that crap. Fantasy must exist inside the 40k universe at some point.

I think that they are not, there are just similarities between the two because GW took the characteristics of WHFB and applied them to a SF setting, thus 40K was born, it's similar to how a lot of the stuff from WHFB is based of Tolkien's stuff

I have a theory that Sigmar could be one of the missing Primarchs.

GW has always denied Sigmar being one of the Primarchs.

arinnoor wrote:GW has always denied Sigmar being one of the Primarchs.

Really? Well they're no fun at all.

Sigmar could possibly have been a primarch if you want to imagine it as such.

the Emporer created 20 primarchs and legions for each at the same time, all 20 were scattered across the galaxy.
as the Imperial forces discovered the location of each primarch they were reunited (introduced) with their legion, eventually they split into 2 sides, loyalists and heretics. The chaos gods had tainted half the primarchs so it would be a civil war that would cause the most human deaths.
in the old codex imperials it lists 2 chapters as being "delted from imperial records" presumably this is to allow people to create their own fluff that does not interfere with the cannon presented in the other texts

now, it never defines weather those 2 primarchs were ever discovered or not. so this leads to a couple of possibilities

1. if neither were discovered, then there are 2 primarch-less space marine legions that allow people to create their own armies in 40k, and one of those primarchs might be Sigmar. quite open-ended

2. if one was discovered, then he would have probly remained loyal (as there are more loyal chapters fluff-wise, which would make sense, the gene-banks on terra would be more apt to reproduce the seed of a primarch they Know is not tainted with chaos) in which case Sigmar would have the genetic disposition to be chaotic

3. if both were discovered, then... well.... Sigmar is just some dude who happens to be awesome.


/endrant

I have heard a theory that terra, or something like that was the warhammer world... and also the necrons have been dormant for longer than the warhammer world existed ( or at least in the time that it is set in )

Demogerg wrote:Sigmar could possibly have been a primarch if you want to imagine it as such.

the Emporer created 20 primarchs and legions for each at the same time, all 20 were scattered across the galaxy.
as the Imperial forces discovered the location of each primarch they were reunited (introduced) with their legion, eventually they split into 2 sides, loyalists and heretics. The chaos gods had tainted half the primarchs so it would be a civil war that would cause the most human deaths.
in the old codex imperials it lists 2 chapters as being "delted from imperial records" presumably this is to allow people to create their own fluff that does not interfere with the cannon presented in the other texts

now, it never defines weather those 2 primarchs were ever discovered or not. so this leads to a couple of possibilities

1. if neither were discovered, then there are 2 primarch-less space marine legions that allow people to create their own armies in 40k, and one of those primarchs might be Sigmar. quite open-ended

2. if one was discovered, then he would have probly remained loyal (as there are more loyal chapters fluff-wise, which would make sense, the gene-banks on terra would be more apt to reproduce the seed of a primarch they Know is not tainted with chaos) in which case Sigmar would have the genetic disposition to be chaotic

3. if both were discovered, then... well.... Sigmar is just some dude who happens to be awesome.


/endrant

Seriously read the Collect Vision books. It's says that the two primarchs did something very naughty and there statues were covered in the Hall of Primarchs. Your 3rd answer is the best. WHFB was in the same universe as 40K, but GW recanted can changed very thing and this is why you still have the daemons in both systems.

Greebynog wrote:No, it's not an aussie place, it's Britain, sorry if that was misleading. The warhammer world is loosely based on the Earth: Brettonia is France, The Empire is Germany, Kislev is Russia, Lustria is South America, etc etc

Oh God. That means that all Americans are evil sadistic people !!!



...Just the way I like it

In the White Dwarf covering the newish Daemons they say the special characters are the same ones regardless of what game they're in. So yes.

Warhammer World is on Lenton Lane, Nottingham. It's GW HeadQuarters.
They've even got a bar"Bugmans Bar".
I really recommend going!

Uri Lee wrote:Warhammer World is on Lenton Lane, Nottingham. It's GW HeadQuarters.
They've even got a bar"Bugmans Bar".
I really recommend going!

damnit i was about to say that!

Hmmmm maybe 40k takes place 40,000 years after warhammer fantasy?





-orkishly

yes it might be in the 40k universe
or it might not.
it's useless debating a question with no answer....

If anything I do not see why this shouldn't be the official stance as it would tie in the beautifully with the 40K. fluff personally it's all too coincidental, for example the old ones intergalactic travel, magic chaos etc.