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I just had a "real life-stealing experience".

This thread. It stole 20 minutes of my life I want back.



Thieving scumbags exist. Doesn't matter if you're a mandollies play or racecar driver or sportsperson (or their bimbo). They're an "occupational hazard".

mrwhoop wrote:Taking the property without purchase is covered in theft. Y'know, that big U.S. Federal warning is about infringement of copyright and theft of sales.

Downloading movies ripped from dvds and physically taking the disc is the same thing. Stealing
Or are you saying that if I download paper plans of GW products it's not theft? I'm certainly not buying the model and it hurts my lgs. And I'm pretty sure the the def of stealing applies.

Then why aren't they charged with theft,
Larceny; the unlawful expropriation of someone else’s property with the intent of keeping it from its rightful owner.

I have bolded the important part.

Stealing deprives GW of a potential sale to me AND the initial goods they were selling me. Piracy/Copyright Infringement only deprives them of the first.

chromedog wrote:I just had a "real life-stealing experience".

This thread. It stole 20 minutes of my life I want back.



Thieving scumbags exist. Doesn't matter if you're a mandollies play or racecar driver or sportsperson (or their bimbo). They're an "occupational hazard".

Im sorry to take your time sir, I didnt mean to

But I think it is you who gave your time, the thread didnt steal it

Failure to detect the sarcasm much?

Geez, you canuckistanis puzzle me sometimes.

Dakka took away time from my life I can't get back.

I'm going to go /wrists and listen to Justin Beiber.

I don't mean what the person is charged with, I guess I mean more RAI

Stealing - To take (the property of another) without right or permission.

Theft - Criminal law - the dishonest taking of property belonging to another person with the intention of depriving the owner permanently of its possession

Just because it's digital doesn't mean you're not stealing. You don't have the right to use or have the download. Legally I guess it becomes RAW. I'll just refer to my new sig.

Neconilis -" Indeed. Haven't you been to YMDC? We're all about semantics and technicalities here. "

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Sorry if I puzzled you somehow, no sarcasm

mrwhoop wrote:I don't mean what the person is charged with, I guess I mean more RAI

Stealing - To take (the property of another) without right or permission.

Theft - Criminal law - the dishonest taking of property belonging to another person with the intention of depriving the owner permanently of its possession

Just because it's digital doesn't mean you're not stealing. You don't have the right to use or have the download.

Uh.

Yes, it does mean that you're not stealing. What you're doing is violating copyright. The two aren't equivilant.

Please read my definitions and try again.

Not legal def - stealing is taking without right or permission

legal def of theft - taking yo' stuff

I didn't bring it up to obfusicate the issue or what the court will charge the poor kid with for taking a model. I'm talking more about morays and socially accepted morals i.e. stealing is bad. Don't take stuff you didn't pay for, it hurts that company/persons producing it. If it was free then it's not wrong UP TO A POINT. I also think it's wrong to take all the free samples of food at grocery stores. You get one and move on.

unless you're a nid, then you can eat all the free sample people you want and only get charged with petty murder. Hive's crowded as it is.

Wow just went out to my car and found I no longer have my 6k skaven army. Thats what I get for thinking locks on a car door = I can leave crap in my car. So looks like I can say ya I have have a real life stealing experence so much for playing 8th.

tadaka wrote:Wow just went out to my car and found I no longer have my 6k skaven army. Thats what I get for thinking locks on a car door = I can leave crap in my car. So looks like I can say ya I have have a real life stealing experence so much for playing 8th.

6000 pts of Skaven? Holy moly how long did that take to paint? That must be over 500 models at least, right? That really, really, really sucks anus.

Not painted I actualy just bought the army. With 8th comeing out I just picked up the 6k army last week never even had the chance to play a game with it :(

On the plus side I dont have to paint a about 400 scaven now :|

Having a 4000 point skaven army about half painted, man that blows chunks! You have my sympathy! Try your house insurance, mine covers for an amount of stuff out of the house up to £10`000, but not every one does!

mrwhoop wrote:Please read my definitions and try again.

Not legal def - stealing is taking without right or permission

legal def of theft - taking yo' stuff

You can argue your definitions all you want but at the end of the day stealing has a recognised legal definition, and copyright infringement ain't covered by it. Piracy isn't theft.

Well, except the cool kind, but that generally involves murder and sodomy as well. Possibly the lash. Rum goes unsaid.

and this is the legal definition of stealing

- the wrongful or willful taking of money or property belonging to someone else with intent to deprive the owner of its use or benefit either temporarily or permanently. No particular type of movement or carrying away is required. (lectlaw.com)

include a felony it becomes - larceny - the crime of taking the goods of another person without permission (usually secretly), with the intent of keeping them. It is one form of "theft." (legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com)

throw in the digital media and copyright infringment is the name. "A bundle of intangible rights granted by statute to the author or originator of certain literary or artistic productions, whereby, for a limited period, the exclusive privilege is given to that person (or to any party to whom he or she transfers ownership) to make copies of the same for publication and sale" (legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com)

Thusly, RAI, piracy or copyright infringment is the theft of Intellectual Property and the willful taking of money due the copyright holder. You can get a year of jail or $1000's in fines.

Yes, you're right when it's been said it's a different crime or covered by different laws but my stance is stealing the real or intangible is still stealing/theft. The law goes on to cover all kinds of theft like embezzlement and burglary and other circumstances BUT

RAI: it ain't yours, so don't take it.

And looking back I am off topic as I have been lucky enough not to have real life stealing happen to me. I'm done...sorry

mrwhoop wrote:Thusly, RAI, piracy or copyright infringment is the theft of Intellectual Property and the willful taking of money due the copyright holder. You can get a year of jail or $1000's in fines.

Yes, you're right when it's been said it's a different crime or covered by different laws but my stance is stealing the real or intangible is still stealing/theft.

re bolded: So every time I pirate a copy of Modern Warfare 2, Activision loses money out of their bank accounts!? Hot dang, Martha, let's set up a torrentbot and we'll bankrupt these crooks in no time!

Seriously though, let's say, purely hypothetically, that I download a CD from a band that I've never heard of before.

If I'd seen it at a store, I wouldn't have bought it, because I wouldn't have known what the songs or who the band were.

Has the copyright holder lost a sale, or gained a potential consumer?

Greetings criminals and vagabonds. Enjoy my $0.02.

According to Wikipedia (I know, I know, but it's the most easily accessible source) Theft is defined as "the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent". So let's break our old friend copyright infringement down and see what we can come up with.

Is it illegal? I don't think anyone is arguing that it isn't. Moving on.

Is it taking another person's property? Well property puts the P in IP. So, yes, any sort of information created by a person is the creator's property in the eyes of the law.

Is it being done without freely-given consent? If it wasn't then it wouldn't be piracy.

So. Piracy IS illegal, it IS taking another person's property, and it IS done without freely-given consent. It certainly seems to be looking, walking, and quacking correctly. Ladies and gentlemen, I believe we have a duck. By which I mean theft. Which is often committed by ducks. Alan Moore told me that last part.

FeistierErmine wrote:Greetings criminals and vagabonds. Enjoy my $0.02.

According to Wikipedia (I know, I know, but it's the most easily accessible source) Theft is defined as "the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent". So let's break our old friend copyright infringement down and see what we can come up with.

Is it illegal? I don't think anyone is arguing that it isn't. Moving on.

Is it taking another person's property? Well property puts the P in IP. So, yes, any sort of information created by a person is the creator's property in the eyes of the law.

Is it being done without freely-given consent? If it wasn't then it wouldn't be piracy.

So. Piracy IS illegal, it IS taking another person's property, and it IS done without freely-given consent. It certainly seems to be looking, walking, and quacking correctly. Ladies and gentlemen, I believe we have a duck. By which I mean theft. Which is often committed by ducks. Alan Moore told me that last part.

Awesome. If really is theft, why does the **AA keep campaigning for literally thousands of dollars per song downloaded? If I stole a cd of 10 songs, I'd probably just get charged with whatever the fine for petty theft is. Too lazy to look it up, but I'm guessing it's less than $1000. That sort of violates the whole pesky Eighth Amendment thing you Imaginary Property fans seem to hate so much.


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Is it illegal? I don't think anyone is arguing that it isn't. Moving on.

Is drinking bleach good for you? I don't think anyone is arguing that it isn't. Moving on.

Wait a second. I would actually argue that it might not be illegal. I can record songs from the radio, and tv shows from my cable. We even have Tivo, which is a full-fledged commercially released recorder. What's different between picking it up over the air waves and picking it up over a wire? I'm not even going to get started on the big content attacks on fair use.

daedalus wrote:Tony, at this point, I find it highly necessary to ask how old you might be? I'm surprised and terrified that you have such a lacking of the concept of guilt, and I'm honestly wondering (hoping) if you're just not old enough to grasp it fully yet and feel it moreso than you realize. I would not say it is fear-induced. The only way I can think to explain it is maybe have you done something once that you wished in retrospect you did something different? It's kind of like that. Regret is another good word that comes to mind.

I too am interested in how old you are Tony. You are either young and naive, or your parents did a horrible job of raising you.

People with mental issues shouldnt be in gamesworkshop playing some games that needs high mental quality.

This is what bothered me the very most. What 'eadbreaka said is exactly what I felt at the time. And having mental issues does not affect the mental quality of oneself. I have a chemical imbalance in the brain, known as bi polar depression, and I'm at the top of all my classes in school at an IQ of 135-140. ( althought the two don't coincide ) My friend has a mild form of autism and his IQ is up there in the 160's, smartest kid I know, just doesn't use it well.

I am 15, I would not say that my parents did a bad job, but I do have a big lack of things
I am this old but my mind is relatively younger than my age, at least some of the time it is


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Edit: I am sorry for what I said

Tony you just edited the post...that doesn't mean you didn't say it. The best thing to do wouldn't be to try and erase the mistake, but to apologize for it.

A lesson that should've been taught by Mr. and Mrs. Tony the guardsman.

Some people in here are either great liars or really great people.

Someone tried to steal off me during a mini tournament.
I was sitting playing a game and asked the opponent if he would like to take his go, I needed to visit the wee boys room. I came back and my morathi had just dissappeared so I asked my opponent how he killed it (I expected he just layed her to the side at that point) to which he then looked shocked and asked me "where the hell did it go it was just there!"

After 10 minutes of searching I see a oddly coloured blue model in the top of a guys backpack (he left it open and beside my case - dolt) that looks oddly like the colour scheme on my morathi so I put my hand in to make sure. The boy grabbed my wrist twist it and called me a theif, and explained I be thrown out.

Which sure, that's what It looked like I was doing, but I explained to staff what I was doing. So the staff member picks up the bag and low an behold there is my morathi.

I raged hard, and hit the guy. He got a life ban and I was asked to finish my game and was banned for a week. (forfeiting my place in the tournament)

FeistierErmine wrote:Is it taking another person's property? Well property puts the P in IP. So, yes, any sort of information created by a person is the creator's property in the eyes of the law.

Taking issue with what you've got here, champ. You're not taking their property. You're illegally making a copy of it. Not the same thing.

I am not rich or poor and i have never stolen something, im a teen.

I apologize here for what I said, and I changed my post so no more people will feel bad about it

About several months ago my local GW got a new manager (who transferred from Vancouver Island) and it was his first day. So the old manager who is getting transferred is telling him how to run the store, when suddenly one of the regulars comes and pulls out his new empire army (over 2000 points). When the new manager sees this he is shock as if he has seen a ghost. The army looks exactly like one of his friends army which the manager help build.

The manager approaches the kid and ask him if he can see a specific model. The young regular agrees and allows him to look at the model. The manager recognizes the model, since he had done conversion work on it. He then goes to the old manager and ask him "How long as he had that army for?" The manager tells him he has never seen the kid play, build or pay for any of those models. He also informs him that it is impossible for the kid to have painted those models that well since he is color blind and all his other models look terrible.

The new manager tells the staff about how his friend army that he help build disappeared when he had stored it in a locker. Eventually they ask the kids parents where they got the army from. They said a friend was cleaning a locker when he found his old army and gave it to the kid for free. The manager called the cops but they police decided not to do anything.

2000pt of free stuff is ridiculously lucky...