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We have him shackled to a desk in the storage room.

My 12 year old kid has contorol issues (suffers from ADD) and has been caught a few times stealing from us and once from a store (a packet of chewing gum)

He understands it's wrong, knows he will be in trouble, but litteraly has trouble stopping himself before the act.

It's difficult to know how to deal with it, but we work on the carret and big ass stick bases.

He EVER gets caught even for small things he gets major gak, but if he exhibits possitive control, he gets rewards.

As he gets older it is sinking in, but the greatest effect has been when someone has stolen from him, he lost a load of dvd's when our eldest son had a party which got out of hand and it really upset him, so I use that as an empathy example, if you don't like it happening to you, don't do it to other people.

Stealing is wrong, whether its worth 5p or £50, it's still wrong.


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Example of the gak, he took £1 out of his mum's chicken money jar, so to "pay it back" she made him clean out all the chicken runs, very unpleasent job, plus didn't go out that week.

Last week had a possitive report from school that his behaviour in some classes has been noticed to be improved, so he now has a nice new Havoc Squad to add to his chaos marines.

It would be nice if the world was like that prison ship in Red Dwarf, where whenever you break the law it happens back to you.

E.g. whenever you steal something, something of yours goes missing.

I've not stolen ever; it's wrong. Full stop

Boss 'eadbreaka wrote:Well, that's 4 theft related threads.

Indeed. Maybe there is something in the air?


I don't know why people feel the need to steal. It doesn't cross my mind at all, and I am confused as to why people do it. For survival purposes I guess it is acceptable, you know, food and the like. However stealing items that aren't essential is just greed. I think thieves have a sense of entitlement that they shouldn't possess.

Stealing is stealing and thats that....

People should know the difference between right and wrong from the off.Not be taught it in some way by stealing and then getting caught...

Plus grown men stealing (Which I have seen so many times) is pathetic especially when they crank on the excuse "I dont have any money I lost my job im desperate man"....

The logical answer should be "Get a fething job and stop trying to make the world feel sorry for your obvious lack of self restraint"

Its the same as when people crank out and I applogise to Druidic in advance for what im about to say.

"I start trouble because I have mental issues" that really really really really pisses me off......

Because at the end of the day there is absolutely no excuse for theft.

I said nothing here

Jup. I've seen too many of these, even at my age.

At Wal-Mart a week or two back a guy about 14-15 years old (so my age-ish) got a Yu-Gi-O pack and opened it behind his back, then slipped the cards into his pocket. He freaked out when he saw me, turned and walked rather fast in the opposite direction. I told the cashier who called him down. Got thanked, and then I left.

At the second of my four trips to the "local" GW I witnessed a kid maybe 12-13 opening a blister and slipping the figures into his jacket pocket, while the only employee currently on duty was walking me through my first game of 40k. Informed the employee that "that kid over there just stole some figures" and the kid was caught, the figures found it short order, and he was banned permanently from the store. Apparently he had done it twice before and gotten stern warnings.

Got accused of stealing the next trip. I bought a SW pack and assembled them at the hobby-desk there. Ziploced all of them but the wolf guard and my favorite Grey Hunter and was walking out admiring it when a 20-ish man grabbed my arm and said "What do you think you're doing, punk?" I jerked my arm away and, quite mad, asked him what the hell was his problem. He said that was HIS miniature I was carrying. I said no, I just bought them, ask the manager. He made me follow him, asked the manager, confirmed it, and, checking his army case, found his Wolf Guard was still there. Admittedly we had both assembled them in the exact same pose. He got quite embarrased and bought me a blister to make up for it.

Fourth incident is when I witnessed a couple of teens pocketing gum at a Shell station. Unfortunately I was a little late to figure out that they hadn't paid for it, but told the manager just the same.

one thing not mentioned is how long you intend the young offender to keep paying for the mistakes he makes. its one thing to only involve parents, and the store. its another to include the police and have charges leveled. a 12 to 13 year of kid, then has a record. that record will fallow him for the rest of his/her life, regardless if hes pardoned or not, becasue all records go out internationaly now and there is no law nor is there any way to expunge a record outside of your own contry. i learned this at my expense when 20 years after the fact, that charges (supposedly erased after my 18th birthday, as i was a young offender at the time) ended up coming to light at a border crossing into the US from Canada.
the officer asked if i had a record, and as i was assured it was erased, i said no.... well i guess i still do, and after a little phonecalling and visting to the main police station in my city i found out that the deeds are erased, not the fact that you have a record, it was not hard after that for the helpful police man to hunt up exactly what my records contained, and it shocked me that the information though not available in canada can be accessed in the US and othe countries. and there is no way to get rid of it.

well to make a short story a bit longer, the punishment The the kid the OP mentions, has a bright side, if it were an isolated event, the kid wont have a record, and perhaps learnes a lesson, gets the fear of Gawd put into him, and goes off to do whatever, free of burdan (personally i thin the OP is right, let the kid slide, you know hes tried to steal just watch him closer from now on, if you catch him again reassess and reevaluate what to do.)
for those upstanding persons out there that have never been in trouble, stealing or other wise with the law, and have condemed the OP's discision. i understand and respect your position, but try to see the other side, some one steals at a young age, right or wrong, caught or not doesnt mean that the person is a bad or evil kid. we all make mistakes. some knowingly, others because we dont understand what were getting into, it doesnt matter what the offences is (mostly) . stealling as discussed surely is wrong, no buts about it, but the punishment, that bears thinking on, because if you hit the kid to hard with a punishment your not just punishing him for a mistake, your punishing him for life.

Ask your self what you would want happen to your kids and then decide, do you want your child branded a criminal for the rest of his life? or would you rather handel them sternly, yourself, or without getting your kid a record by coming to some kind of arangement with th store other than a visit to the police station.

(with that said my own situation had to do with something other than stealing, but the paralelle drawn is exactly the same. )

As a member of this demographic of later teens that seems to be stealing, I just want to warn you about your lack of punishment. If for some reason I ever gave into the desires and stole something, I would be so nervous, and would bawl when I'd get caught. However, at the high school, I have eavesdroppped (maybe overheard is better, as theives talk loud) upon many boastful guys saying that turning on the waterworks is really helpful when you're caught. If these guys spent their time in extra curricular activities like Drama, they'd be great actors by now. So just be wary; some of us would beally cry if caught , but some people who only do it for the thrill, or what ever fething reason they do it, are crafty. So if you think they're genuinely interested in the game, letting them off the hook while teaching them a lesson is a good choice. If they're just some delinquent, let the ban hammer bash in their skull!

As a reminder, don't steal. If you try to rationalize that it isn't hurting anyone, then remember that you have to steal from a store or person, who will be hurt by it.

Stealing = bad.

If you steal, these guys WILL find you.

(also known as GW's legal team)

LunaHound wrote:The examples in this thread ultimately asks one thing.

Pushing all the consequences aside , i would like to know:

If you can steal something and no one will never know and you'll never get caught.

Would you do it?

Have done it. Would do it or not again circumstantially. If I was at a rich friend's house and he had no relatives or will and he died while I was there, and also had one easy to lift item that could pay for my ability to live for a year, I might. If there were someone besides "the state" who would benefit from him dying I wouldn't consider it. I would really, really need to have something to gain to try it though.

I feel content enough(although most of the time short in money,but still)that I won't even bother to risk it...Maybe I'm just THAT LAZY

I grappled the shoggoth wrote:I once saw a kid trying to steal one of my trygons. I put it on the table behind me as it was dead, and when I turned around it was gone. I noticed it sticking out of the pocket in his coat. So I jumped over the table, tapped him on the shoulder. And when he turned around I tiger punched him so hard in the face it smashed his nose completely flat. The doctors say that 11 years old is too young for plastic surgery, so we all call him tau boy now. I decided not to press charges for his inconveniencing me, and when I punched him it made my wrist a little sore.

How incredibly mature of you, punching an 11 year old in the face.

mattyboy22 wrote:

I grappled the shoggoth wrote:I once saw a kid trying to steal one of my trygons. I put it on the table behind me as it was dead, and when I turned around it was gone. I noticed it sticking out of the pocket in his coat. So I jumped over the table, tapped him on the shoulder. And when he turned around I tiger punched him so hard in the face it smashed his nose completely flat. The doctors say that 11 years old is too young for plastic surgery, so we all call him tau boy now. I decided not to press charges for his inconveniencing me, and when I punched him it made my wrist a little sore.

How incredibly mature of you, punching an 11 year old in the face.

Want to hear about the time I crane kicked my girlfriends grandma because she wouldnt quit standing in front of the tv while I was trying to play Halo.

YES I DO!

Shoggoth, for one, I sincerely hope you actually did not strike a child. I don't even need to describe how wrong that is.

Two, I hope you didn't use martial arts to carry out such an act. The whole arts issue is an assumption taken from your "tiger punched" and "crane kicked" statements. I have been practicing the arts for years, and I pray that you wouldn't shame yourself, your school, or any practicioner for that matter, with such an uncontrolled outburst of violence.

Well, I'm still up for hearing the crane kick story.

Manchu wrote:Well, I'm still up for hearing the crane kick story.

I'll second that, sounds like it'll be hilarious.

Me third!
Well, I don't like hurting people

sounds to me like hes full of sh**. "oh yea i tiger smashed this guy" "oh i crane kicked this chick" please. if your even a day into any martial arts of any kind, you would know its not taught as agessive and pointless violence. that kind of behaviour flys in the face of every martial arts training out there, so your either A: a lying sack of donkey excrement, or B: someone who belongs behind bars simply because you think violence to the young and elderly is amusing. eitherway, i would strongly recommend censoring yourself, and seeking therapy of some form.

mattyboy22 wrote:How incredibly mature of you, punching an 11 year old in the face.

Fl@nked wrote:Shoggoth, for one, I sincerely hope you actually did not strike a child. I don't even need to describe how wrong that is.

Two, I hope you didn't use martial arts to carry out such an act. The whole arts issue is an assumption taken from your "tiger punched" and "crane kicked" statements. I have been practicing the arts for years, and I pray that you wouldn't shame yourself, your school, or any practicioner for that matter, with such an uncontrolled outburst of violence.

DarthSpader wrote:sounds to me like hes full of sh**. "oh yea i tiger smashed this guy" "oh i crane kicked this chick" please. if your even a day into any martial arts of any kind, you would know its not taught as agessive and pointless violence. that kind of behaviour flys in the face of every martial arts training out there, so your either A: a lying sack of donkey excrement, or B: someone who belongs behind bars simply because you think violence to the young and elderly is amusing. eitherway, i would strongly recommend censoring yourself, and seeking therapy of some form.

mattyboy22 wrote:How incredibly mature of you, punching an 11 year old in the face.

Fl@nked wrote:Shoggoth, for one, I sincerely hope you actually did not strike a child. I don't even need to describe how wrong that is.

Two, I hope you didn't use martial arts to carry out such an act. The whole arts issue is an assumption taken from your "tiger punched" and "crane kicked" statements. I have been practicing the arts for years, and I pray that you wouldn't shame yourself, your school, or any practicioner for that matter, with such an uncontrolled outburst of violence.

DarthSpader wrote:sounds to me like hes full of sh**. "oh yea i tiger smashed this guy" "oh i crane kicked this chick" please. if your even a day into any martial arts of any kind, you would know its not taught as agessive and pointless violence. that kind of behaviour flys in the face of every martial arts training out there, so your either A: a lying sack of donkey excrement, or B: someone who belongs behind bars simply because you think violence to the young and elderly is amusing. eitherway, i would strongly recommend censoring yourself, and seeking therapy of some form.

Good grief.



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Deploy the Buseytrollz!!

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Now can we get back on topic?

Tony the guardsman wrote:People with mental issues shouldnt be in gamesworkshop playing some games that needs high mental quality.

Never ever, ever go there. Your just going to start a massive sh#7 fight. A lot of wargamers have some sort of mental disorder. There are at least a dozen wargamers I know at my local GW store who are dyslexic or have ADD or ADHD and they're perfectlly fine people with well built, well painted armies.

I once went into a games workshop in Essex England.

I pick up a huge amount of both plastic and metal miniatures and went to the counter. I was taking to the friendly redshirt as he put the items into the GW bag.

When he asked for payment it seemed far to low. Being a 'sneaky grot' I said nothing.

I thanked him and left the shopping centre double fast. For some reason he hadn't scanned in all the metal blisters 96 pounds worth!



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I grappled the shoggoth wrote:I I tiger punched him so hard in the face it smashed his nose completely flat. The doctors say that 11 years old is too young for plastic surgery, so we all call him tau boy now. I decided not to press charges for his inconveniencing me, and when I punched him it made my wrist a little sore.

lol that actually very funny!

Lighten up people he's obviously taking the Ps

This thread is a valuable contribution to Dakka. What a shining example of reasoned discourse.

Not as valuable as that kid painting his 'khrone baserkers' in his own blood.

/Gir: I love this show.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Not as valuable as that kid painting his 'khrone baserkers' in his own blood.

/Gir: I love this show.

Care to explain?

Hawkins wrote:one thing not mentioned is how long you intend the young offender to keep paying for the mistakes he makes. its one thing to only involve parents, and the store. its another to include the police and have charges leveled. a 12 to 13 year of kid, then has a record. that record will fallow him for the rest of his/her life,

Good. It should. Back in my day we just fed them to the hyenadons to teach 'em a lesson!


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I grappled the shoggoth wrote:

mattyboy22 wrote:

I grappled the shoggoth wrote:I once saw a kid trying to steal one of my trygons. I put it on the table behind me as it was dead, and when I turned around it was gone. I noticed it sticking out of the pocket in his coat. So I jumped over the table, tapped him on the shoulder. And when he turned around I tiger punched him so hard in the face it smashed his nose completely flat. The doctors say that 11 years old is too young for plastic surgery, so we all call him tau boy now. I decided not to press charges for his inconveniencing me, and when I punched him it made my wrist a little sore.

How incredibly mature of you, punching an 11 year old in the face.

Want to hear about the time I crane kicked my girlfriends grandma because she wouldnt quit standing in front of the tv while I was trying to play Halo.

Best thing for her.


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Fl@nked wrote:Shoggoth, for one, I sincerely hope you actually did not strike a child. I don't even need to describe how wrong that is.

Two, I hope you didn't use martial arts to carry out such an act. The whole arts issue is an assumption taken from your "tiger punched" and "crane kicked" statements. I have been practicing the arts for years, and I pray that you wouldn't shame yourself, your school, or any practicioner for that matter, with such an uncontrolled outburst of violence.

You need to reset your internet sarcasm detector to "pulling your leg."

People steal for many reasons it varied dependant upon age, background, situation and wealth. I'll share my personal example.

I was about twelve and a bunch of my friends at the time used to steal things from the local GW store, most of them had quite well off parents (one of them, his dad used to run a coach company and owned a nightclub) so they certainly could afford to buy pretty much what they wanted. I guess I was the odd one out, my mum was raising me on her own and we lived in a grotty flat above some shops, I didn't get pocket money as my mum couldn't afford it so I used to work in a greengrocers after school and on Saturdays for £1.25 an hour.

My mum has always tried her best to bring me up properly and with a good set of morals, despite being quite poor I never lacked for any of the essentials (clean clothes, hot food and a comfortable bad etc). Whilst my friends were busy filling their pockets with blisters and paints I would do my best to ignore it, but it started getting out of hand, they started to try and out do each other by stealing larger and more expensive items, the store staff knew what was going on but couldn't prove it, they even knew who was doing it because back then there were no other shops selling GW stuff nearby and the internet just wasn't about. The staff pretty much knew what every regular bought (and didn't buy). What made the situation worse was that we all got on well with the staff and used to hang around with one of the key timers out side of his working hours, I felt like I was stabbing him in the back.

It came to a head when one guy stole a copy of Warhammer fantasy battle, it was so blatant, but he got away with it. I then started getting major grief for not doing it myself, after all they said it was easy and I could get hold of the models I couldn't afford, they even started having large apocalypse style games at there houses where I was no longer invited because I "couldn't afford a big enough army". So I did something really stupid. I stole a couple of blisters and some paint. I didn't get caught but I felt so ashamed and guilty I couldn't bring myself to go back to the store and face the staff for a while, eventualy I decided that I would go back to the shop, own up and pay for what I had taken. I told the key timer who was also our friend about the whole situation, including who I knew was stealing, what they were taking and how they were doing it. I also paid for the stuff I had stolen.

The manager didn't ban me, I still consider this to be a very lucky thing over 15 years later. He did however ban the others and tell them that it was me who had grassed them up, so I may have been able to go into the store but I certainly had no friends left. Probably just as well.

I am still very good mates with the key timer (who is no longer with GW) and as I said I consider myslef very lucky as by rights I should have been banned no excusses. What I will say though is that ever since, the thought of going into a shop and pinching something has made me feel sick and self loathing even to this day.

squilverine wrote:What I will say though is that ever since, the thought of going into a shop and pinching something has made me feel sick and self loathing even to this day.

Thats what it ultimately comes down to.

Some people will feel that way with overwhelming guilt and nausea , while some people will feel perfectly fine.