Graven's Bloggit 4th October, prepare to Enter the Deadzone!

Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:

No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
Times and dates in your local timezone.
Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.

If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

**tough n' orky**

love it all

**Revenent Reiko**

BLACKHAND seems to have the right idea, but i can see how giving the bolters a cover would do the same job, and look just as epic!

**inmygravenimage**

Actually I just meant a standard bike faring BUT that's a possibility that hadn't previously occurred: adding them at the front over the existing bolters. Hmm. Oh, and smiling avatar will return - wife agrees with you Yggs, it's such a very lifelike image

**monkeytroll**

Whilst I do have a soft spot for those old jet-bikes I have to say it does look like daddy has pinched junior's toy for the day

Hopefully a bit of bulking at the front will help the issue. The arms work fine, and I'll also be awaiting the return of 'the grin', funny how we come to identify with other people's avatars so much

**BLACKHAND**

Could you get hold of the winged cowling from the Master of the Ravenwing jetbike, was thinking it would fit with your "winged" theme well.

Of course it would mean you will need to start casting them....

**inmygravenimage**

I have one, actually, though it's built. I had thought of that (not that you were in any way advocating the recasting of IPd material!); the problem would be it's very bulky relative to classic bike. I'll play with stuff over the weekend I guess. Gunner arms win over MIU then?

**Revenent Reiko**

i like the gunner arms for the record, and the RW cover would fit nicely as well as look good.(of cors not vindicating the casting of IP'd material

)
hope its not gonna be too bulky in comparison, but i have faith in you Graven.
and im wih everyone else on the profile pic, confuses the hell out of me when i look for the grin :S

**BLACKHAND**

A, Gunner arms are a definite win

B, maybe try a Greenstuff mould to get both sides of the RW bike cowling and then sculpt the sides to be lighter and more in keeping with the RT bike

and C, totally agree with everyone, bring back the Grin!

**inmygravenimage**

Taking on board everyone's input, I've come up with this:

Really chuffed, I think it works well: maintains the classic look without making it look like a fat bloke on a Vespa. What do you lot think?

Oh, and classic grin will return - I'm celebrating not having to warp the children of others for a fortnight!

**BLACKHAND**

Looks much better already, can you post a side-on pic?

**monkeytroll**

Looks interesting graven, adds a bit of bulk but hasn't taken away from the classic look. How about using RT marine legs on the riders? Think they'd sit a bit better on the bike.

**SebastionSynn**

change the wing fronts so that the wings run down in front of the the riders controls and off to the sides of the bike front, then in keeping with your theme GS into the gap between the wings the owls head. that will bulk out the front more and not make it overbalanced, and since your using smaller wings than the ravenwing model, it also won't be so bulky as to be out of place with the classic bike. Just a suggestion, it's your model after all.

edited for typo

**inmygravenimage**

Do you mean /||\ or \||/ ?

**Revenent Reiko**

looks good Graven, much more balanced now, and definitely still fits the theme.
I think i know where SS is going, more like the Judge Dread lawmaster from the movie, with an owl head replacing the eagle.
http://img219.imageshack.us/i/jd14ky2.jpg/
...and less bulky at the front/side

**SebastionSynn**

Do you mean /||\ or \||/ ?

if the above '/l' were to represent one set of wings then what i meant would be this: wing /l Bolters l\ wing, by bringing the wings down and across you create the illusion of a fairing out of the wings and then fill in the middle opening between the wings and on top of the bolters with the owl's head.

kind of like here:http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2010/11/14/155491_sm-.JPG
the difference being of course that his wings are swept back and yours are swept down. I don't have time right now since i'm heading to the game store for our saturday game, but later on tonight when i get home i'll do a rough draft in Paintshop showing you more exactly what i'm trying to describe.

**inmygravenimage**

I like the theory SS and have played with some blutacked variations. Whilst it looks ok, it loses the classic bullock bike grill - but more than it doesn't resolve the fat bloke issue. Still, I think it's definitely got merit - be interesting to see a sketch.

**inmygravenimage**

And pics for consideration:

**SebastionSynn**

http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/photopost/data/575/kson_jetbike.jpg

went searching the net looking for the images i would need to mock up what i was describing in my Paint Shop program when i found this, which is basically what i was trying to describe except instead of an eagle/raven head green stuff an owl in it's place. it will serve two purposes this way, 1) it would bulk up the bike without taking away from the overall classic model, and 2) it would sort of cover up the handlebars/controls so that your marine doesn't look like he's riding one of the kiddie quarter machines you used to find in front of supermarkets and in malls. However, the first of the pics up there with the wings repositioned and sweeping back from the front of the bike would add the illusion of speed to the bike, and it would make the bike unique from the other ravenwing bikes out there. Hope this helps.

EDIT: forgot something, I apologize for taking so long to get back to this thread, our weekly game of 40K ran kinda late and then when i dropped my friend off at his house we got into a discussion concerning the GK's/BA's, Stormraven, and whether or not Black Templar could use them.

Edited for typos

**shrike**

^
I prefer the one over on the BOLS.

**Revenent Reiko**

Wow that BoLS bike is killer!
I think bulking the bike out is the only way to lose the fat bloke issue, just gotta try and keep the RT jetbike feeling. I mean, what is it exactly (other than the fact that its a space marine on a jetbike) that makes the model special in and of itself before changing it? There has to be some way this concept can be kept while removing the fat bloke thing.
seems to me that a git of a kit bash is in order...
just my thoughts

**inmygravenimage**

I agree, the BoLs one is tasty, although I kinda prefer Knightly's excellent take on jet bikes here:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/350911.page
However, I'm going to keep going with the mini bikes just now for these. I've got a couple of the bigger metal jetbikes too, which will become attack bikes further down the line. Thanks for the input guys!

**Knightley**

Graven your far to kind! I knew there was a reason I subbed to this thread

I'm digging the Rogue trader bike, sadly the later marine legs are huge compared to the old rogue trader ones. Are you going to GS any of it?

**LordCreed**

good stuff

**inmygravenimage**

Knightley wrote:Graven your far to kind! I knew there was a reason I subbed to this thread

I'm digging the Rogue trader bike, sadly the later marine legs are huge compared to the old rogue trader ones. Are you going to GS any of it?

Cheers (and thanks too Creed). I've got the squad made up minus arms; I think the combination of pointed front faring and back feather thing adds enough balance. I'm not overly worried about legs as they looking in proportion to mk 4 bodies. Also, "historically", old tech is smaller and more elegant so I'm happy enough as is. I'm really worried about losing the look of the old bike, so it's about reconciling that.

**inmygravenimage**

Have made some progress and will attempt to get some pics up over the weekend; been on hols, so a bit behind.

A separate question for you my (dis)loyal followers: could this

http://rackhamminiatures.yolasite.com/resources/Tarascus.jpg

feasibly pass as a toad dragon? It's a great lump o' resin sitting in a box just now. For an idea of scale, it's about 28mm from base to knee joint. I don't play WH, just wondering. Ah, needless side projects!

**Gitsplitta**

You put that on the table on you could call it anything you wanted!

I'd orkify it and make it a squiggoth! (always wanted one of those)

**monkeytroll**

Hmm, definite potential for a cyber-squiggoth there methinks

**Revenent Reiko**

thats a kick-

model!
definitely more of a Squiggoth than a dragon, but still rocking! Im sure no-one would mind you using that as whatever you like

and whats all this talk of disloyalty??!!

**SebastionSynn**

I've seen that thing before and yeah first thought that came into my head when i saw it was CHEAP squiggoth, so at some point i will be doing my best to get one of those.
so toad dragon, eh? are you going for something similar to the Forge World Tamurkhan on toad dragon? if so then yeah it has definite possibilities.

**inmygravenimage**

Just testing you before the glory of papa nurgle

Funnily enough Metropolis (lurker) who gave me the Tarascus for my 30th, now plays Orks and has commented on whatxa great Gargantuan Squiggoth it would make. I have no real desire to play WH just think it could make a fun conversion.

Been experimenting with bits of dread sarcophagi and the visor off Ven Dreads would work really well as a mini-faring in front of the jetbike joysticks; if any one has any spare, lmk/pm me! I'll endeavour to a pic update tonight, kids notwithstanding.