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MandalorynOranj wrote:

Oriallis wrote:Maybe borrowing from some examples of fluff (I'm not sure what novel this is from) they could be equipped with Aspect Warrior gear instead of Weapon Platforms (This would make them able to immitate alot of the roles of Aspect Warriors, almost like poorman's aspect Warriors).

That was from Goto's Dawn of War books, I think it was the second one.

No I remember now it was the in the introduction to the first one, a bunch of Storm Guardians were holding off hordes of cultists and they had a variety of Aspect gear (Banshee masks, mandiblasters, fusion guns ect.)

The one shot things look interesting, and could really help with Guardian defences.

Here's a thought, change Storm Guardians role from CC to being the competent kind of Guardians (Seeing as their current role is unfluffy and not very useful in general) I like the name and they wouldn't sound so craftworld specific as Ulthwe's Black Guardians.

@Avatar

Thinking about the avatar again. Looked back at my old second edition eldar codex and I love the way that avatar was set up. He was 300 points which is a huge commitment, but I think fits more to the fluff. He is usually only summoned for big battles. For his stats they are much more an epitome of the war god.
WS BS S T W I A LD
10 10 8 8 7 10 5 10

Now that is a physical manifestation of war!
He would be able to hold up more in close combat and with 5 base attacks he really could jump into a squad and carve it up in a single turn instead of being tar pitted so easily. His strength and toughness are much more in line with the strength and toughness of a wraithlord.

Yes, seaphoenix, but at the same time he was rarely if ever used since he was a huge point investment without any invulnerable save worth mentioning, essentially a Wraithlord with a Fusion Gun for 3x the price.
The current incarnation is significantly better, since it is comparatively point efficient, however it does not truly fit a war avatar, I'd agree on that.

I think the Molten Body rule needs to change a bit. The main problem with describing a weapon as a "Heat" weapon is that you just get lots of questions and debate as to what weapons qualify or whether they should or should not qualify. So instead of listing every weapon that qualifies, the rule should read something like this: "Ranged weapons with the Melta special rule and ranged weapons that use a template for their range value deal no damage to an Avatar."


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Also, a suggestion for a unit.

Instead of making just an Avatar of Khaine, why not just make a generic Avatar? Give it some options for different kinds of Avatars, maybe an Avatar of Isha or something. I know there is nothing concrete in the lore about other kinds of Avatar, but GW changes their own lore all the time and sometimes drastically (*cough*Necrons*cough*), so I say feel free to be a little bit creative and lenient with your units and lore in order to create a wider range of more interesting units.

@avatar

Alright, so keep the 3+/4++ that he has now, with the invulnerable to all heat based weapons, it means you have to hit him with las cannons, power fists or the like to stop him. While It would be really tough to take him in a 500 point game, a T8 with 7 wounds in a small game would be really tough to beat. Otherwise use him in a 1500-2000 point game to make the points more flexible. I would be willing to pay the huge point sink for a quality potential.

Perhaps make an Avatar flexible in that the god "manifests" more as the level of threat grows. (Points spent)

Different stat lines based on points:
Say 500 - 1000
1000-1500
1500 - 2000
2000+

I think the Avatar should have the furious charge special rule.

I mentioned that once earlier, with the GW model and the Forgeworld model that is twice it's size. You could have a greater avatar and lesser avatar lets you spend either the small points or the large points.