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Vampirate of Sartosa wrote:

killykavekommando wrote:As far as argument's sake, couldn't we just agree that in order to avoid heated discussion people should just try to keep their models toned down on the raunchy scale.

This is the internet. And you're suggesting we agree on something?

True that, just because I believe something, another guy has to disagree, and vice versa.

As far as argument's sake, couldn't we just agree that in order to avoid heated discussion people should just try to keep their models toned down on the raunchy scale.

No, and the reason is, people put their own money into purchasing models. They have every right and reason to have their models however they want, raunchy or not. At the end of the day the miniatures are there for the owner's pleasure and entertainment, not anyone else's.

Couldn't we just agree that in order to avoid heated discussion, people should try to grow up and be more mature and tolerant of trivial things?

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As a direct answer to the OP question, what motivation do people have to have "nude" miniatures?
Well the answer is simple. It is very easy to paint something "nude." Its just flesh color with a few highlights here and there.
Painting clothes fashionably and stylishly well requires both good fashion sense and color co-ordination. Most modelers fail at this part because if they didn't they'd be editors for vogue.

Kouzuki wrote:Its just flesh color with a few highlights here and there.

I'm guessing you haven't done a lot of nude miniatures? (or ones showing a lot of skin)

TiB wrote:

Kouzuki wrote:Its just flesh color with a few highlights here and there.

I'm guessing you haven't done a lot of nude miniatures? (or ones showing a lot of skin)

should have added /sarcasm/ tags
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killykavekommando wrote:As far as argument's sake, couldn't we just agree that in order to avoid heated discussion people should just try to keep their models toned down on the raunchy scale.

That would be very difficult, as everyone has different levels of tolerance....the only person who could ultimately decide on what is acceptable or not would be the Forum owner, and even then that could lead to some serious backlash if the owners own ideology on "raunchyness" (is that a word?) conflicted with the "majority" of forum members......

Perhaps we have to simply agree to decide for ourselves what is acceptable or not, and choose to look away when things exceed our limits. Freedom of expression, is a dangerous but totally legitimate requirement for creativity and art to flourish.

Kouzuki wrote:

Couldn't we just agree that in order to avoid heated discussion, people should try to grow up and be more mature and tolerant of trivial things?

Right. I would have used less polite language, and mentioned removing sticks from asses, but I think the point is the same.

People's idea of 'toned down' varies quite a bit. For some, any degree of nudity is unacceptable.

There's a poll elsewhere on the forum which demonstrates this quite well.

killykavekommando wrote:As far as argument's sake, couldn't we just agree that in order to avoid heated discussion people should just try to keep their models toned down on the raunchy scale.

No, people shouldn't censor themselves because you get offended. They have every right to offend you and you have every right to be offended.

Sidstyler wrote:
Would it make you feel better if we all accepted rape as easily, too?

It would at least be consistent, considering that turning people into cybernetic automatons is far more invasive than rape, and could easily be considered in a similar light given that it not only deprives people of agency, but does so permanently.

Sidstyler wrote:
Hell, I think after spending the last four hours reading this topic I'm about to go rape something. Either that or put a bullet in my fething brain, and then craft an intricate diorama depicting the act using my own blood for added realism.

See, there's your problem. You cannot distinguish between depictions of reality, and reality itself.

I have to say, this topic has kind of made me want to go buy a nude model to paint....

Skippy wrote:I have to say, this topic has kind of made me want to go buy a nude model to paint....

Might as well paint it while nude for full effect.

Lt. Coldfire wrote:

Skippy wrote:I have to say, this topic has kind of made me want to go buy a nude model to paint....

Might as well paint it while nude for full effect.

I don't know if I should scold you for being off-topic, or join in on the joke fest.

Lt. Coldfire wrote:

Skippy wrote:I have to say, this topic has kind of made me want to go buy a nude model to paint....

Might as well paint it while nude for full effect.

Don't you do that with all your models? Or am I the only one?

killykavekommando wrote:

Lt. Coldfire wrote:

Skippy wrote:I have to say, this topic has kind of made me want to go buy a nude model to paint....

Might as well paint it while nude for full effect.

I don't know if I should scold you for being off-topic, or join in on the joke fest.

Some of the most fun I ever had was while I was nude. Sometimes paint was involved too.

BTW there are some fine nude miniatures to be had at Maidenhead Miniatures, an Austrailian company.

killykavekommando wrote:As far as argument's sake, couldn't we just agree that in order to avoid heated discussion people should not do things I don't like.

Fixed that for you.

What is the right of free speech/expression without the right to offend? Nothing.

Kouzuki wrote:What is the right of free speech/expression without the right to offend? Nothing.

Well, there is no "right to offend". There is a right to free speech with protection from censorship by those who are offended. Large difference, even if we are splitting hairs.

As for the OP, personally, if have no issues with nude or sexually graphic models. Though I do play games against my kids from time to time so probably not something I am going to field anytime soon. I do see the artistic value though.

Edited out innapropriate content - Your post was a blatant violation of Rule #1 - Be Polite. Please familiarize yourself with the rules before posting again. You say below you are a school teacher, it would serve you well to comport yourself similarly here as you would in class. Thank you. MT11

tyrannosaurus wrote:All of those saying that nude models are 'bad' come across as self-righteous virgins, which you probably are - seeing boobies reminds you of the fact that you have never been laid and probably won't for a long time until you come across a girl as socially inept and insular as you are - as a healthy, hetro-sexual, sexually active adult male I would like to ask wtf is wrong with nude models, hentai, porn, in fact anything which interests me on a sexual level? I draw the line at anything underage but apart from that it's game on. And to pretend that you don't look at pornography or find boobs at least interesting is blatant hipocrisy. More models bent over in skimpy clothes with big boobs please.

EDIT - Oh, and just remember, you're all here because your parents had sex, you came out butt naked from your mum's vagina and you sucked on her titties for at least a year so PLEASE get over your issues with nudity.

And you list your occupation as "teacher"? Classy.

I don't really see anything in his statement that would have any affect on him being a teacher...

Or you could just look at porn...nuff said.

Lt. Coldfire wrote:
And you list your occupation as "teacher"? Classy.

I'm on school holidays, remember? Don't worry, as soon as I walk through the school gates I stop being human and start becoming a pious hypocrite, lecturing children to "Do as I say, not what I do". Thanks for the constructive critique though.

d-usa wrote:I don't really see anything in his statement that would have any affect on him being a teacher...

Well, he does display a remarkable failure to read the actual discussion.
If he corrects tests the same way...

And to add "something" to this discussion:
If I see nude models I either appreciate the work that went into it or I shake my head, slightly sad. I appreciate the sculpts of the Diaz (is it Diaz?) Daemonettes, although personally I think that the current ones fit the role better and are of a better technical standard (better sculpting and casting tech, more details). They are utterly ruined by the posing, though. I'm convinced that many of the people that hate them would actually like them if they'd be posed properly.

I can appreciate a masterly sculpted and painted nude model like any other model. However, many, many female nude sculpts are bad cheesecake art at best, and often downright bad. To take two GW examples:
I recently saw a gorgeous metal Daemonette into BSB conversion. Great sculpt, great paintjob, great conversion.
I also saw somebody painting up the Vect Slave Girls as nude, just for the hell of it. It didn't add anything to the miniature they were part of, and it didn't look particularly good either. It was simply done for the "OMG boobs"-Value.

This becomes especially glaring with many Slaanesh (and sometimes Dark Eldar) armies, especially when an effort is made to use only female models. Then I shake my head at the poor sod and move on.


The rape scene is another thing altogether. It crosses my line. Yes, I'm fine with the All Grimdark Violence in 40k. But this crosses my line. I don't have to be rational about that, I don't want to give explanations or justifications, and I don't want to hear any explanations or justifications from the guy who did it or anybody else. I can see it's not bad from a technical standpoint. I would still smash it without a second thought, if I'd be given the chance.

tyrannosaurus wrote:All of those saying that nude models are 'bad' come across as self-righteous virgins, which you probably are - seeing boobies reminds you of the fact that you have never been laid and probably won't for a long time until you come across a girl as socially inept and insular as you are - as a healthy, hetro-sexual, sexually active adult male I would like to ask wtf is wrong with nude models, hentai, porn, in fact anything which interests me on a sexual level? I draw the line at anything underage but apart from that it's game on. And to pretend that you don't look at pornography or find boobs at least interesting is blatant hipocrisy. More models bent over in skimpy clothes with big boobs please.

EDIT - Oh, and just remember, you're all here because your parents had sex, you came out butt naked from your mum's vagina and you sucked on her titties for at least a year so PLEASE get over your issues with nudity.

The discussion isn't about being offended by nudity in general, or even being offended by nude models just because they're nude. I think you either didn't read through the posts or missed the reason for my post. You've contributed nothing to this discussion. Really I think all you've achieved is making yourself sound foolish with your oddly aggressive response. You seem unable to process the opinions of the people you so willingly insult, similar to a child.

Thare1774 wrote:

tyrannosaurus wrote:All of those saying that nude models are 'bad' come across as self-righteous virgins, which you probably are - seeing boobies reminds you of the fact that you have never been laid and probably won't for a long time until you come across a girl as socially inept and insular as you are - as a healthy, hetro-sexual, sexually active adult male I would like to ask wtf is wrong with nude models, hentai, porn, in fact anything which interests me on a sexual level? I draw the line at anything underage but apart from that it's game on. And to pretend that you don't look at pornography or find boobs at least interesting is blatant hipocrisy. More models bent over in skimpy clothes with big boobs please.

EDIT - Oh, and just remember, you're all here because your parents had sex, you came out butt naked from your mum's vagina and you sucked on her titties for at least a year so PLEASE get over your issues with nudity.

The discussion isn't about being offended by nudity in general, or even being offended by nude models just because they're nude. I think you either didn't read through the posts or missed the reason for my post. You've contributed nothing to this discussion. Really I think all you've achieved is making yourself sound foolish with your oddly aggressive response. You seem unable to process the opinions of the people you so willingly insult, similar to a child.

+1 I was wondering the same thing and was going to type something out, but you beat me to it.

8 pages, and still going in circles???

i find it odd that Nakatan's piece is still being refered to as the Eldar rape diorama...
the Eldar is not being raped, her pants are not down, and the soldier doesn't have his bits out...

the diorama has been highly polarizing, even over on CMON where it was posted first, which has generated a lot of commentary from both sides...
when i first say all of the negative reactions, i felt the same way i do now reading through this thread...

my reaction to the diorama is that the Eldar is very much still in the fight...
i think she will let the soldiers close in, grab the knife out of the mud, and fight her way free...
Eldar are depicted as super-humanly fast, and quite deadly...
in short, i'm not seeing her getting raped...

on top of that, the conversions and painting are top-notch...
the scene could have been dirtied up a bit more, but i'm such a fan of Nakatan's beautiful, clean, style that i can forgive the lack of weathering...

i can understand if some people are offended by the Eldar's boobs, as most people are raised with very puritanical views about sex and nudity, and pass the same values on to their children today...
fair enough, even if i do think it is silly that some people get riled up about something as natural as breast feeding in public...
i still don't see why the diorama is being called a rape scene when nobody is being raped, or even naked...

as to Brother Vinnie's new Commissar, it's just poorly sculpted, in my opinion...
i don't mind a well sculpted naked mini...
poor sculpting is not going to get me to spend my money, and hours of painting just because she has her boobs out...
the naked Artemis from Hasslefree on the other hand is beautifully sculpted, and had me making an order as soon as she was released...
she has sat in a box for a few years now, since i have not had a chance to paint her...
it's not as if i have her sat on my desk, displaying all her naked glory, and giving me a chubby everytime i see her, but i am happy that i own a copy of this beautifully sculpted, limited edition, resin piece...

same goes for any of the other rare nudes i own, such as the original Allan C. large scale Demonette that GW squashed, and the unreleased topless Vect slaves that Chris Fitzpatrick sculpted...
they sit in a box, waiting for paint one day, making me happy that i own such rare pieces...
they don't get whipped out to put me in the mood for sex...
my girlfriend does that perfectly well on her own, even with clothes on...

i find it sad that so many people seem to have the torches and pitchforks out over Nakatan's diorama, which is called Alien Contact by the way...
i think some severe conclusions have been jumped to, and will be defended to the death (so to speak) by the conservative side of the fence...
i can't say it enough, nobody is being raped, and the Eldar seems to still have a chance to get to the knife in the mud, and fight her way free...

cheers
jah

d-usa wrote:

killykavekommando wrote:As far as argument's sake, couldn't we just agree that in order to avoid heated discussion people should not do things I don't like.

Fixed that for you.

Touche, touche. I wish that that was how things worked, though. In all seriousness, I browsed CMON today, and I saw some models that were offensively bare, or artistically revealed. It really depended on how things were posed and executed. I guess what I am getting at is that if things are done tastefully, it can be nice although I prefer heavy armor and gear.

d-usa wrote:posted on: 2012/01/01 00:35:06

Really, nothing better to do at this time than comment on a thread about miniature boobs?

jah-joshua wrote:my reaction to the diorama is that the Eldar is very much still in the fight...
i think she will let the soldiers close in, grab the knife out of the mud, and fight her way free...
Eldar are depicted as super-humanly fast, and quite deadly...
in short, i'm not seeing her getting raped...

We've been over this. It's not about whether or not she may eventually get raped, it's about that rape is being suggested in the 40k universe.
You can say that's not what was intended by the maker and that the eldar was just being taken prisoner while one of the guardsmen had to take a leak, but it is what's being communicated.
There are the people who say that the piece is a valid commentary on war and all it's dark aspects and others that say that either rape doesn't belong in the fantasy world that is 40k or that they just don't like seeing it being depicted at all.

jah-joshua wrote:
i find it odd that Nakatan's piece is still being refered to as the Eldar rape diorama...
the Eldar is not being raped, her pants are not down, and the soldier doesn't have his bits out...

Oh come on! It is a diorama about rape, just because hes not actually, physically raping her at that very moment doesn't make it any less about rape.

TiB wrote:

d-usa wrote:posted on: 2012/01/01 00:35:06

Really, nothing better to do at this time than comment on a thread about miniature boobs?

Well, if you would be interested enough to investigate my posting history you would find that most of my posts are between 8pm and 8am. I work nightshift so that's just when I am awake. I promise I'm not looking at miniature model porn.


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d-usa wrote:

TiB wrote:

d-usa wrote:posted on: 2012/01/01 00:35:06

Really, nothing better to do at this time than comment on a thread about miniature boobs?

Well, if you would be interested enough to investigate my posting history you would find that most of my posts are between 8pm and 8am. I work nightshift so that's just when I am awake. I promise I'm not looking at miniature model porn.

At best it is a diorama about attempted rape.