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Well now they are certainly reacting to complaints that Blitzkrieg isn't good value and that 2 regular sets is perceived to be better at the same cost - 8 more new infantry miniatures upcoming

Project Update #11: Infantry rush! Sometimes the boys need a few... specalists...
Posted by CoolMiniOrNot Like

Since the double infantry stretch is fast approaching.... how's about some different tactical options?



The rocket bikes are down and the blight are coming strong with a charge of monowheels. What can the allies do? Call in... the Mountaineers! Rushing to the front with their magnetic bombs, the mountaineers have no fear and throw themselves into the enemy charge. With deadly accuracy they dispatch one mechanized monster after another leaving the field clear for a counter attack! 4 free Mountaineers added to Blitzkrieg!



When the call goes up that Trench Raiders have broken through the lines most soldiers either run or stand frozen with fear. The raiders are brutal and vicious fighters who bully their way through the ranks of their enemies. Throwing grenades and blasting away with their trench guns, the Raiders are a force that is best avoided and not engaged. 4 free Trench Raiders added to Blizkrieg!

edit: Post Removed as DaveC beat me by a few seconds!

5 seconds! it was close

The Blitzkrieg! pledge level certainly is more attractive and more in line with what I expect of it. I'll definitely be adding those 4 vertical tanks. The Blight are quickly becoming my favorite.

 scipio.au wrote:
My posit is that this particular deal is so good in order to reignite some movement and make up for the lost ground that they would have had when their only add-ons were expensive base-game tanks, dice and a few $15 chibi figures (2 of which they were already giving away). It was probably planned quite similarly, but with one American tankbot for $20 adding a the Hanomagbot at the stretch point. This will now kickstart movement again and make some of the unhappy people into happy people. CMON is very good at running Kickstarters (at least until they have your money in hand). Everything they do is for a reason, in this case they're offering 4 tanks when they could have probably sold 2 for the same add-on price to a lot of people. None of their goals are set in stone until they're "released" - on price or exact numbers of models, which allows them to cleverly adapt as the campaign progresses.

That's my guess as well. The goals aren't set and can be dynamically altered by CMON based on funding progression (or lack thereof).

The $15 Jetpacker was a bad deal. It leveraged heavily on the Rocketeer's popularity and even with the additional plug unit every hero now gets still isn't that good of a deal. $10 would have been a more reasonable, fair deal.

I think they'll try and sweeten the pot a bit more before the end - maybe give him a sidekick.

And at nearly the same time I get my update about these awesome mountaineers, I get my update that Evil Baby Orphange's Stretch goals will be late..... by three months..... because of the plushie.

Oi Vey.

Not sure if this is relevant to this thread, but seems so--

In the Sedition Wars thread (also a CMoN kickstarter), there are some serious complaints about the quality of the plastics that have been arriving...

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Not sure if this is relevant to this thread, but seems so--

In the Sedition Wars thread (also a CMoN kickstarter), there are some serious complaints about the quality of the plastics that have been arriving...

Before anyone freaks out: it's that Sediation Wars, a mass produced Boardgame, has Boardgame level plastics rather then being small run resin cast level of quality.

It doesn't look to be any worst then Super Dungeon Explore or Zombicide.

The additional 8 guys for Blizt does make it tastier I must say on top of the other additions

 Cyporiean wrote:

Before anyone freaks out: it's that Sediation Wars, a mass produced Boardgame, has Boardgame level plastics rather then being small run resin cast level of quality.

It doesn't look to be any worst then Super Dungeon Explore or Zombicide.

Still though people I bet have higher expectations since McVey is connected.

 kenshin620 wrote:
The additional 8 guys for Blizt does make it tastier I must say on top of the other additions

 Cyporiean wrote:

Before anyone freaks out: it's that Sediation Wars, a mass produced Boardgame, has Boardgame level plastics rather then being small run resin cast level of quality.

It doesn't look to be any worst then Super Dungeon Explore or Zombicide.

Still though people I bet have higher expectations since McVey is connected.

Just means they are nicely sculpted Boardgame plastics.

But if they're badly cast who cares how well they're sculpted?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But if they're badly cast who cares how well they're sculpted?

QFT, my (limited) experience with McVey was excellent sculpts and the best casting I've ever encountered. This is rather disappointing, and calls in to question any further projects I see CMoN doing...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But if they're badly cast who cares how well they're sculpted?

Exactly. The game wasn't sold on the basis of "boardgame quality plastic miniatures." Space Hulk is a boardgame, as is Dreadball.

Sedition Wars wrote:
50 highly detailed 28mm miniatures

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But if they're badly cast who cares how well they're sculpted?

QFT, my (limited) experience with McVey was excellent sculpts and the best casting I've ever encountered. This is rather disappointing, and calls in to question any further projects I see CMoN doing...

Q. F. (QFT).

My copy being ugly > Original being awesome.

 scipio.au wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But if they're badly cast who cares how well they're sculpted?

Exactly. The game wasn't sold on the basis of "boardgame quality plastic miniatures." Space Hulk is a boardgame, as is Dreadball.

Sedition Wars wrote:
50 highly detailed 28mm miniatures

Pretty much.

It is too late as they probably burned me on Relic Knights as well (though I hope not!), but this could (and possible should) really cause people to be VERY cautious with CMON's future efforts...

Relic Knights wasn't sold as a Boardgame.

Boardgame or miniatures game. It doesn't matter in this case. You're being deliberately obtuse. It wasn't sold on the back of "boardgame quality figures". It was sold on the back of McVey's existing miniatures output and quality. They're not descibed as "playing pieces", but "miniatures". Poor quality miniature components have the potential to hurt McVey's credibility quite badly.. along with the thin tiles and off-centre tokens.

On the other hand, perhaps we should all "Quite being crucial"...



edit. It wasn't "stop." it was "quite". My bad.

If Studio Mcvey was producing a miniatures game, I'd with you about being upset. But since it was CMON doing a Boardgame, and it looks to be on par with there boardgames, I think you expected far too much.

I'd expect Relic Knights to be on par with... I cannot remember the name of there gritty skirmish game ATM, along with WoK and Confrontation.

Rivet Wars should be the same as SDE, Zombicide, Sedation Wars, and other CMON boardgames

 scipio.au wrote:
Boardgame or miniatures game. It doesn't matter in this case. You're being deliberately obtuse. It wasn't sold on the back of "boardgame quality figures". It was sold on the back of McVey's existing miniatures output and quality. They're not descibed as "playing pieces", but "miniatures". Poor quality miniature components have the potential to hurt McVey's credibility quite badly.. along with the thin tiles and off-centre tokens.

On the other hand, perhaps we should all "Stop being crucial"...

Off-center tokens is something I'd give them way more leeway on: having worked in print, everything cut has a 1/8" margin of error, which is more and more obvious, the smaller the object the proportionally larger the error appears. That's something that isn't even about the benefit of the doubt but about printing limitations.

The other stuff I completely agree on, CMoN and McVey are both known for minis and have their reputation based on that. I'll be pretty pissed if they have subpar casting.

 Cyporiean wrote:
If Studio Mcvey was producing a miniatures game, I'd with you about being upset. But since it was CMON doing a Boardgame, and it looks to be on par with there boardgames, I think you expected far too much.

I'd expect Relic Knights to be on par with... I cannot remember the name of there gritty skirmish game ATM, along with WoK and Confrontation.

Rivet Wars should be the same as SDE, Zombicide, Sedation Wars, and other CMON boardgames

Sedition Wars Kickstarter wrote:
Sedition Wars : Battle for Alabaster is a fast paced tactical miniatures game for two players,

From the mind of industry legend Mike McVey, and created by the finest artists, miniatures sculptors and game designers, the contents and play materials of the game are of the highest quality.. Sedition Wars : Battle for Alabaster represents the best that miniatures gaming has to offer!

The game contains –

50 highly detailed 28mm miniatures
----
We're doing this Kickstarter to give Mike's legions of fans (gulp) a chance to get in on the ground floor, as well as gauge demand and interest in Sedition Wars. The game is ready to go to tool, with sculpting and art complete! If you love great sci-fi miniatures, then here are the various pledge levels. We appreciate any help we can get!

Expectations are pretty clearly set right there.

scipio is on fire! Just need MLA to make those citations perfect. (Sorry, Cyporiean, I often agree with you, but I think you're on the wrong side, here.)

I also think it's worth stressing that I don't expect the same quality as McVey's limited edition resin or anything, but I do (did) expect something comparable to either GW/Renedra's hard plastics, or Mantic or PP's Restic.

When I get mine in hand in 2-3 weeks I'll have more to say, obviously.

I'm glad to see some new troopers.

I was really hoping to get a new sculpt or two for the basic troopers though. With the new stretch goal you'll get a boatload of them and, as far as I can tell, there are only two variants of the sculpt on the basic trooper (one bearded, one not).

Oddly, I hope they don't add too much for the two basic factions - as I'm hoping as we get up there in stretch goals to see a third, and I don't want them to be too far behind.

In one of their comments they said the figures in this kickstarter will be made from the same factory that makes dust stuff, so they should be comparable to that.

 scipio.au wrote:
Boardgame or miniatures game. It doesn't matter in this case. You're being deliberately obtuse. It wasn't sold on the back of "boardgame quality figures". It was sold on the back of McVey's existing miniatures output and quality. They're not descibed as "playing pieces", but "miniatures". Poor quality miniature components have the potential to hurt McVey's credibility quite badly.. along with the thin tiles and off-centre tokens.

On the other hand, perhaps we should all "Stop being crucial"...

I chuckled when I saw that on their forums. Lord forbid I actually voice an opinion on a product I bought which isn't as advertised, or think that a company that doesn't communicate info in a timely manner should do so. It makes me a whiney butt.



I'm hoping my copy arrives today or tomorrow. I'll hold off on too much judgement on the actual product until I have it in hand.

Jake

 cincydooley wrote:
I get my update that Evil Baby Orphange's Stretch goals will be late..... by three months..... because of the plushie.

Oi Vey.

Don't worry, some of us pre-ordered the retail release, in November, and are still waiting for an actual release date from Wyrd...

On another note, that blitzkrieg level is starting to look quite tasty, I may have to consider investing...

So it looks like they hit the 220k stretch goal just now. 5K more and its double the infantry models, which is a pretty big upgrade. This thing is starting to move along quite nicely.

I do have my copy of Sedition wars handy, and my resins too. I honestly do not see any difference from the limited edition resin version (I looked at Barker Zosa because he is my fave!) quality.

I am pretty happy with how they turned our actually, I expected worse.

I'm hopeful that my opinion is the same once they arrive.

$225K reached.

Unlocks:

New stretch goals EDITED to add the existing stretch goals in order











and lots of purchasable add ons added