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There's quite a few 'garage' operations making quasi-modular boards out of mainly foam and/or MDF (which of course does not link together or stand up to bending as well as most plastics do).

 RiTides wrote:
Do you know when you think the campaign will launch? Being ready to fulfill when launching is very smart, just wondering

GamesNGears wrote:We want Games & Gears battle boards Kickstarter to be fully ready and for you to know that once you pledge there will be no delays and your battle board will be delivered on time and a lot more.

within 30 days or much sooner. It is very important for us that all the teething issues in prototyping and pre mass production works get done before the kickstarter. Not many people do this and find out that they have to delay after the kickstarter as things change pending on REAL capabilities. The problem with this is that backers have to wait longer than that was promised or never see the day of light of their investment. So we are in a position to mass produce without headache or issue , keep our promise and deliver on time. We will not push CADs and renders on the KS as the main theme of product, as stretch goals or add ons fine (because we have already figured it all out) but not the reward levels. Only when real phyiscal product for the rewards are all ready. So once we are funded we can mass produce without issue. This of course takes a lot longer to do. But it is worth it & we cannot wait to get this out and for you to have it!!

Best!


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 Alfndrate wrote:
You keep making this claim about how your battleboard and RoB are the only ones that do x, y, and/or z.

There are 3 battle boards out there that I know of, RoB, yours, and tablescapes, and I've actually gotten a chance to play with Tablescapes. So who are your competitors?

We don't know any other plastic injenction molded battle board that can be played on with no surface underneath 12" in both sides. Do you?

GamesNGears wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
You keep making this claim about how your battleboard and RoB are the only ones that do x, y, and/or z.

There are 3 battle boards out there that I know of, RoB, yours, and tablescapes, and I've actually gotten a chance to play with Tablescapes. So who are your competitors?

We don't know any other plastic injenction molded battle board that can be played on with no surface underneath 12" in both sides. Do you?

That didn't answer my question, I asked who your competitors were. And for that matter, why do people have a 2 feet of extra space that their boards are hanging over (1 foot on either side)?

 Alfndrate wrote:

GamesNGears wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
You keep making this claim about how your battleboard and RoB are the only ones that do x, y, and/or z.

There are 3 battle boards out there that I know of, RoB, yours, and tablescapes, and I've actually gotten a chance to play with Tablescapes. So who are your competitors?

We don't know any other plastic injenction molded battle board that can be played on with no surface underneath 12" in both sides. Do you?

That didn't answer my question, I asked who your competitors were. And for that matter, why do people have a 2 feet of extra space that their boards are hanging over (1 foot on either side)?

Anyone who makes battle boards? & because not everyone has a table that is 4x4 or 6x4 at home?store or else? I think we clarified all this before. We don't have tables ourseleves here which are 6x4. So we made these battle boards to insure that you can play with a smaller table surface which we have outlined, which is a great benefit and not many people have the space or luxury to have such big tables. If you want an detailed discussion pm us. We want to concentrate here on Games & Gears Battle Boards here and will post some Gen Con pics here soon that have been forward to us.

GamesNGears wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Do you know when you think the campaign will launch? Being ready to fulfill when launching is very smart, just wondering

GamesNGears wrote:We want Games & Gears battle boards Kickstarter to be fully ready and for you to know that once you pledge there will be no delays and your battle board will be delivered on time and a lot more.

within 30 days or much sooner. It is very important for us that all the teething issues in prototyping and pre mass production works get done before the kickstarter. Not many people do this and find out that they have to delay after the kickstarter as things change pending on REAL capabilities. The problem with this is that backers have to wait longer than that was promised or never see the day of light of their investment. So we are in a position to mass produce without headache or issue , keep our promise and deliver on time. We will not push CADs and renders on the KS as the main theme of product, as stretch goals or add ons fine (because we have already figured it all out) but not the reward levels. Only when real phyiscal product for the rewards are all ready. So once we are funded we can mass produce without issue. This of course takes a lot longer to do. But it is worth it & we cannot wait to get this out and for you to have it!!

Best!

Got it, thanks for the reply . I am even more interested knowing that it is / will be already ready, and so not such a long wait on fulfillment as with most kickstarter campaigns.

 RiTides wrote:

GamesNGears wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Do you know when you think the campaign will launch? Being ready to fulfill when launching is very smart, just wondering

GamesNGears wrote:We want Games & Gears battle boards Kickstarter to be fully ready and for you to know that once you pledge there will be no delays and your battle board will be delivered on time and a lot more.

within 30 days or much sooner. It is very important for us that all the teething issues in prototyping and pre mass production works get done before the kickstarter. Not many people do this and find out that they have to delay after the kickstarter as things change pending on REAL capabilities. The problem with this is that backers have to wait longer than that was promised or never see the day of light of their investment. So we are in a position to mass produce without headache or issue , keep our promise and deliver on time. We will not push CADs and renders on the KS as the main theme of product, as stretch goals or add ons fine (because we have already figured it all out) but not the reward levels. Only when real phyiscal product for the rewards are all ready. So once we are funded we can mass produce without issue. This of course takes a lot longer to do. But it is worth it & we cannot wait to get this out and for you to have it!!

Best!

Got it, thanks for the reply . I am even more interested knowing that it is / will be already ready, and so not such a long wait on fulfillment as with most kickstarter campaigns.

no problem. It's been a long road of hard work and Kudos to Ninja Division and Hawk Wargames for working with us on this. It's been worth it and we really want you to play on it!!!

Edit: Not worth it. I've seen their boards, RoB, and Tablescapes. I was not impressed by their boards.

 Alfndrate wrote:

GamesNGears wrote:
Anyone who makes battle boards? & because not everyone has a table that is 4x4 or 6x4 at home?store or else? I think we clarified all this before. We don't have tables ourseleves here which are 6x4. So we made these battle boards to insure that you can play with a smaller table surface which we have outlined, which is a great benefit and not many people have the space or luxury to have such big tables. If you want an detailed discussion pm us. We want to concentrate here on Games & Gears Battle Boards here and will post some Gen Con pics here soon that have been forward to us.

I just wanted to know who you considered competitors, but you never really answer my questions with solid information. You only make the claim of your stuff being similar/better to RoB. Like, who else is in the battle boards business besides you, GW, and tablescapes? If you're only comparing yourselves to 1 company then either you don't consider other people competitors, or you don't know who else produces similar products. I'm just trying to get information out of you.

And I'm not saying everyone has a 6x4 table in their house, but most people have a table that's larger than 4x2 (which would give 12 inches on every side of the board). I have a 3x3 that I play games on at home. And even that is 6 inches too short on every side. I wouldn't trust heavy models on anything in which a foot of extra space is hanging off of the table. Would you be able to test it? Throw a big heavy model up on the edge of the board (as if you were deploying for a game) and take a side shot/video of it.

Our focus right now is on the Games & Gears battle boards right now and bringing the KS about soon . We are only stating what Games & Gears Battle boards can do. But we appreciate it. We want these battle boards to be accessible to everyone. For students, professionals and everyone else. We also want the person in the small flat who doesn't have adequate table space to at least be able to get a decent sized game. Remember if you have the space then you are super set with Games & Gears battle boards. We recommend for the best experience to have a fully flat surface underneath. At the same time we also understand a lot of people don't not have that luxury of having this space or table pending where you live/country/setup so we in built in the design to insure that those people with space/.able issues are not overly penalized. We want as many people to get these and we think it is a small perk that will benefit many we hope!!

Yes we will do a video for metal models deployed on corners and extreme edges

A theme for us is accessibility via good design and price. We hope these boards are an added incentive to pull more new people as well to the hobby

man I cannot wait, really appreciate you giving your explanations and reason behind things G&G. Make me want to back you even more. Looking forward to the reward levels. Can't wait for this

I am also primed and ready

@slinkly & Darkeldarcrone, thank you (and everyone else on these 8 DAKKA DAKKA pages ).

Like you and a lot of others we cannot wait for the KS to go live and cannot wait even more when you get the Games & Gears Battle boards and use it for a long time. We are working on it!

from their facebook page. Very slick stuff, saving my money for this.

"Sneak Preview :Games & Gears Gaming trays attached to our Games & Gears Dropzone Commander Cityscape Battle Board. As you can see nothing is supporting beneath the Games & Gears Gaming tray which holds perfectly well with a full army on it waiting to be deployed. On a 6 by 4 you can fit 3 Games & Gears Gaming Trays to either long side of the Games & Gears battle boards."

Can you post a video of that, and bump the table a bit?

Currently its making me think of this:

I'm a bit late to the party on this, but,

Hellscape??

Gimme.

Or, at least, gimme a brief explanation of the thinking behind the concept, so I can get properly excited please!

 Alfndrate wrote:

GamesNGears wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
You keep making this claim about how your battleboard and RoB are the only ones that do x, y, and/or z.

There are 3 battle boards out there that I know of, RoB, yours, and tablescapes, and I've actually gotten a chance to play with Tablescapes. So who are your competitors?

We don't know any other plastic injenction molded battle board that can be played on with no surface underneath 12" in both sides. Do you?

That didn't answer my question, I asked who your competitors were. And for that matter, why do people have a 2 feet of extra space that their boards are hanging over (1 foot on either side)?

Huh? I would love to be able to have 8x6 plastic modular boards on a 6x4 gaming table. 6x4 is barely big enough for historicals.

lol we will be publicly viewing the battle boards again with trays and Games & Gears battle boards/trays holding swimmingly well with less surface underneath. So this will be shown in UK clubs and a lot more for many to see. . So we hope this wraps up all questions. Video to be shown closer to the KS but also pictures of gamers playing on them too like before will happen.

Also Hell is coming soon


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@Darkeldarcron cheers for posting!


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@azreal13, Hell is coming soon. With all that. We hope you love it!


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@judgedoug, very true

"Swimmingly" well nice.

A video of gamers playing on the board and using the trays would be awesome!

 judgedoug wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

GamesNGears wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
You keep making this claim about how your battleboard and RoB are the only ones that do x, y, and/or z.

There are 3 battle boards out there that I know of, RoB, yours, and tablescapes, and I've actually gotten a chance to play with Tablescapes. So who are your competitors?

We don't know any other plastic injenction molded battle board that can be played on with no surface underneath 12" in both sides. Do you?

That didn't answer my question, I asked who your competitors were. And for that matter, why do people have a 2 feet of extra space that their boards are hanging over (1 foot on either side)?

Huh? I would love to be able to have 8x6 plastic modular boards on a 6x4 gaming table. 6x4 is barely big enough for historicals.

Agreed. I have absolutely no idea what he has a bee in his bonnet about. Who gives a toss as to who his competitors are - if it is that important to him he can go do his own research whilst GnG gets this dang KS up and running.

This looks like a quality board which will suit my historical needs perfectly.

Well since it seems that no one can let sleeping dogs lie, the reason why I asked about competitors of these boards is because GnG was only referring to the Realm of Battle board, now I had done some research into this because I was curious as to who else was out there, and as someone that was considering spending their money on this product, I wanted to know:
1) who their competitors are (from their point of view)
2) What kind of value I could get with this product vs a competitor's product
3) what features these offered vs competitor's features.

But I could not get a straight answer from them, and just got more marketing speak (the highlighting of a feature and not answering my question).

As for competitors out there, I've found 3 companies that make Plastic Injection Molded modular gaming boards, RoB, Ziterdes, and Tablescapes.

Out of all 4 of the tables I've found, I've had experience with 3 of them. I've yet to see Zitredes boards and didn't know they existed until I started the little research I had done. I got a decent experience with GnG's boards at GenCon, obviously I couldn't pick them up as they were being used for the Dropzone Commander demos, but I poked them, tapped them, rolled dice on them, set models down on them, terrain (by virtue of the demo), and I wasn't impressed. Everything had a plastic-y texture on it similar to the plastic casing on computers (it's what I got near me atm ). The dice made a racket on the boards that I found distracting, I'm sure this could be lessened by putting a table cloth or something beneath it. It was not dissimilar to the complaints people have had about the Realm of Battle Boards. The quality of the tables seemed very flimsy, and I would hesitate to play games that are known for their large metal models (I'm looking at you Privateer Press). I'm not saying the quality of the boards is bad, but without being able to pick it up and inspect a tile, I could only go off of the look of them, and it seemed like it wouldn't like having metal models or heavy terrain on it for long periods of time (light DZC models and cardstock terrain is a far stretch different from GF9 terrain and metal models).

To answer your question about the extra 2 feet of space, my worry would be very similar to the picture that Cy posted. 6 inches I can see, because it's not that big, but with an extra foot, there is a lot of room (that's 1/4th of a Warmahordes board just sitting out there). I would be afraid of sagging, dropping, snapping, breaking, models sliding off, any any other host of problems I forsee happening.

GnG, have you actually tested what happens if you have a fethload of weight on a board that has 12 inches of space off the table?

Glad to know you saw them at Gen Con, which was good times with 592 sign ups from the event from our interest list from Gen Con 2013.

As we stated, public will see it. So it's a non issue as they will see it before the the KS. We are taking to a warmahcine heavy club soon in the UK. So we can get back to you on that. Also note this is a small perk of our Games & Gears battle boards & built for those who have lack of table space and cannot wait to share more with you! .

Alf, I saw the same boards at GenCon and had the opposite reaction. You're just speculating / guessing. Dice making a racket? As you say, they do the same on a RoB board.

You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but you and I have identical exposure to these AND tablescapes. I like them both and think you are making too much of your very brief exposure to them. Everyone else I've spoken to (for example, a local gamer who played in the DzC tourney at GenCon) who saw them there thought they were great.

In particular, from my view, for the price! $100 for a 6x4... Yes, please! I love Tablescapes from what I've seen, in-person and online, but I paid $50 for a 2x2 from them. Both are good options, and fill different roles... it's possible, and logical, to like both

I suspect it isn't what you're saying, Alf, but one could read your post as if you think that a heavy model/s could conceivably fall through the board?

I'm doubting the heaviest miniature manufactured could do that, but I assuming you mean if they were positioned on the overhang?

@Fullheadofhair, Thanks! We are working on it! under 25 days we hope and will let you all know more as soon as we get a specific date.

@Ritides, cheers, our focus is on our Games & Gears Gaming tables and are developing what we hope to be the best battle board possible and I think gamers would not expect anything else.

@azreal13, we will show you a great perk of the Games & Gears Battle Boards overhang at 12" too. We think showing the public first at gaming clubs using their armies is the best possible way to do that.

We are very taken back by the enormous anticipation for our Games & Gears Battle boards. With over 1000 Hell Yes's on our FB page and here and elsewhere. We just want to make sure we do it all right, deliver on time and see many people playing on them.

this is good news [I always wanted a cheap board].

GamesNGears wrote:
Glad to know you saw them at Gen Con, which was good times with 592 sign ups from the event from our interest list from Gen Con 2013.

I think I'm one of those sign-ups . I didn't quite catch what it would be for, though. Will an email be going out when the campaign is about to launch, or the like?

GamesNGears wrote:


@azreal13, we will show you a great perk of the Games & Gears Battle Boards overhang at 12" too. We think showing the public first at gaming clubs using their armies is the best possible way to do that.

Well come to my club and show us then!

@singyourlife . Working on it!

@Ritides, Yes, emails will be sent prior the launch date, reward levels with more detail. We will try to have all the info ready so everyone knows what to expect prior KS launch.


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@azreal13, Awesome, we will post which clubs in London we will be at though hopefully soon. Would love to visit Devon! PM us, would love to have you down one of the Gaming Clubs, either way!

GamesNGears wrote:
@Fullheadofhair, Thanks! We are working on it! under 25 days we hope and will let you all know more as soon as we get a specific date.

@Ritides, cheers, our focus is on our Games & Gears Gaming tables and are developing what we hope to be the best battle board possible and I think gamers would not expect anything else.

@azreal13, we will show you a great perk of the Games & Gears Battle Boards overhang at 12" too. We think showing the public first at gaming clubs using their armies is the best possible way to do that.

We are very taken back by the enormous anticipation for our Games & Gears Battle boards. With over 1000 Hell Yes's on our FB page and here and elsewhere. We just want to make sure we do it all right, deliver on time and see many people playing on them.

For the 12" overhang, how many G&GBB tiles must be on the table?

If you can get a club that has a Thunderhawk or a Titan to put one/both on the 12" overhang and have a video of the camera panning above and below the table that would probably be the best show.

RiTides wrote:Alf, I saw the same boards at GenCon and had the opposite reaction. You're just speculating / guessing. Dice making a racket? As you say, they do the same on a RoB board.

Yup, which is one of my main issues with the RoB board as well.

You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but you and I have identical exposure to these AND tablescapes. I like them both and think you are making too much of your very brief exposure to them. Everyone else I've spoken to (for example, a local gamer who played in the DzC tourney at GenCon) who saw them there thought they were great.

First impressions are a witch like that aren't they? Opinions, donkey caves, etc... I had left this thread and merely came back because a few posters wanted to know wtf my issue was with the boards and I explained myself in an unbiased way as I could.

In particular, from my view, for the price! $100 for a 6x4... Yes, please! I love Tablescapes from what I've seen, in-person and online, but I paid $50 for a 2x2 from them. Both are good options, and fill different roles... it's possible, and logical, to like both

Technically both fill the same role, your 2x2 display board will fill a different role from your 6x4 GnG board, but RoB, Tablescapes, Zit boards, and GnG boards all fill the role of easy to store, modular gaming tables. TB and Zit both run about 125 for 4x4, RoB is expensive, and GnG offers the cheapest price, but in my opinion it feels just too cheap for what I would expect. Not a bad thing, just my view on it.

azreal13 wrote:I suspect it isn't what you're saying, Alf, but one could read your post as if you think that a heavy model/s could conceivably fall through the board?

I'm doubting the heaviest miniature manufactured could do that, but I assuming you mean if they were positioned on the overhang?

What I mean is, if you look at the underside of tablescapes, and I think RoB (can't say for Zit's boards as I've only seen the tops of them) they have support structures that lead from the center out to the end. This helps the board from bending and sagging in the middle of the tile, which is what might happen over time if you use any board as a display board, or have your table setup for long games and leave them for a week or so at a time. Since I couldn't pick the GnG tiles up or see them from below, this is only my speculation however.

Though this is also a worry about tiles on the end of the board. if I'm playing with Mulg on a 4x4 board that's sitting on a 34 inch by 34 inch card table, will deploying Mulg in the corner cause my board to bend over time? Will this be something that I have to worry about, that's what my worries would be about these products. I've got 5 tablescape tiles, I've been putting them through the wringer in anticipation of my own KS pledge to come in, so far, nothing terribly noticeable.

I think we have stated that we will preview this small and exceptional perk to the public prior the KS. We actually have done this already in the UK at the Charring Cross Club and we will do it again. So I hope that helps

As far as we know, only Games & Gears Battle Boards and ROB can handle stress well 6" to 12" out comfortably. There are stress levels which we will outline (which is based on weight and common sense).

Thank you for helping us explore one of Games & Gears Battle boards unique perks. We did not think this bit would cause such an enormous interest. But we do thank you for it.

So we very much hope with everyone who has gamed on these battle boards and will do so soon and you can see in the flesh yourself or hear about it when we present it to the public once again. (I think we have over stressed this point)

It's good times and we thank you for it


We have warmachine Colossals. We will outline all the weight levels in KG and LBs. We want to first demonstrate in the public first prior the KS. We think this is the best course of action. Too demonstrate this perk. Also we want people to game on it once again!! (making a point of this again, hope this makes sense)

We hope to have the Hellscape battle board Demo'd soon!

Lastly the trays are a treat and we hope that many of you will find it's versatility and use as awesome as we have experienced with it. Please note in the future there will be many more things you can attach to a Games & Gears Battle Board