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2015/02/19 02:10:55
Subject: Ghostbusters: The Board Game - @$611K, Next SG @ $650K
Manchu wrote: CZE already hinted in the comments that they planned on doing another release, covering the second movie.
It wouldn't be something I'd want to support though if all we are getting is exclusives. I mean I love exclusives, I like getting something and I believe there should be some. I however don't believe that everything should be exclusives, especially some of the iconic pieces from the franchise. If they want to make a comic version exclusive but have a movie version retail, that is fine if there are alternates... but making them exclusives means those that didn't back will never see them. Impossible Mode for example is only a thing if you backed. There is no advanced mode for retail.
Zombicide as an example has a lot of exclusives. There is a good portion not available through retail if you didn't back. However core pieces of the franchise aren't removed at retail. You lose out on the card, some people proxy in other miniatures and print out cards. It didn't extremely hinder or alter game play where it made it a must have. I guess technically Ghostbusters doesn't either but just rubs me the wrong way when things like Janine wouldn't be available unless you backed. I guess I see so much potential for this game and it looks squandered. Conan may deliver late and they have Exclusives but they also have like 3-4 expansions and other things that lend and alter game play that will be available at Retail. It is an example of how big the franchise could be and it was run right. I'm not advocating running SG like Conan either and throw out free stuff, I'm just talking future usability.
2015/02/19 03:07:58
Subject: Re:Ghostbusters: The Board Game - @$611K, Next SG @ $650K
Another point is that Guillotine Games releases any promo character cards online. That way you may not have the official model or printed card, but it doesn't keep you from using it in a game that you otherwise already paid for.
(edit: of course, I could have just tried actually reading the previous post which did in fact say exactly this. Gaah.)
After this last update, I gave up. I didn't even feel like they deserved my $1 any more.
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2015/02/19 03:39:42
Subject: Ghostbusters: The Board Game - @$611K, Next SG @ $650K
Wait on the hellbeasts. Andy's currently remastering them in resin as part of his post-kickstarter work. They won't be available for a while, but I'm looking forward to seeing how smooth they are compared to the metal ones.
2015/02/19 11:25:38
Subject: Ghostbusters: The Board Game - @$611K, Next SG @ $650K
Remember this is a licenced product, and a 'one and done' approach may be all they were offered (or could afford)
from the IP owners point of view 'one and done' lets them pocket a bunch of cash now, and leaves the field clear to re-do everything when the new girls-only film comes out without any 'brand confusion' which could occur if a box game full of male ghost busters (and different ghosts?) is still on sale
2015/02/19 13:14:55
Subject: Ghostbusters: The Board Game - @$605K, Next SG @ $650K
Wondering how that would work , I mean if you shoot the "ghost" with the particle stream and it turned out to be Mr. Higgins the grumpy former employee do you win or lose the game . I guess it could spawn a new ghost on the board either way.
LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13
I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14
2015/02/19 13:28:37
Subject: Ghostbusters: The Board Game - @$611K, Next SG @ $650K
The Scooby gang would be great against hoaxes but really weak against real ghosts (no way to trap them, and a real risk of Scooby & shaggy dying of heart attacks)
The ghost busters would be ideal against real ghosts, but risk killing hoaxers and subsequently being arrested
Make it happen
2015/02/19 14:11:01
Subject: Ghostbusters: The Board Game - @$611K, Next SG @ $650K
The Scooby gang would be great against hoaxes but really weak against real ghosts (no way to trap them, and a real risk of Scooby & shaggy dying of heart attacks)
The ghost busters would be ideal against real ghosts, but risk killing hoaxers and subsequently being arrested
Make it happen
Definitely!
This sounds awesome!
And I'd buy it for significantly more than a dollar!
2015/02/19 15:50:57
Subject: Re:Ghostbusters: The Board Game - @$623K, Next SG @ $650K
Videos are up. The Game Introduction Video is up but it isn't on youtube, it is a short intro and explanation of the pieces of the game. You currently have to view it on the update. The second video is done with a play tester group but is on youtube so can be linked here:
2015/02/20 06:08:14
Subject: Ghostbusters: The Board Game - @$628K, Next SG @ $650K
"Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! ... It’s become the promotions department of a toy company." -- Rick Priestly
2015/02/20 20:42:40
Subject: Re:Ghostbusters: The Board Game - @$650K, Next SG @ $700K
Still not happy about $50K Stretch Goals, they make no sense at this current time given what has been done. However I would at least like to unlock Kylie Griffin.
2015/02/21 02:01:50
Subject: Ghostbusters: The Board Game - @$650K, Next SG @ $700K
Are there any Copywrite or IP Ownership issues that are going to drop this off the KS map?
Wouldn't mind picking up a group of Crooked Dices Savage School Girls to add in here, along with Kolchack.
Give the little ones some proton packs and away we go......
Are the taxi drivers the pleasure to buy me add ons, or free add ons?
Really interested in the game, but I'm seeing a potential IP issue come up if they go for the movie remakes...
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2015/02/21 16:40:13
Subject: Re:Ghostbusters: The Board Game - @$670K, Next SG @ $700K
Grot 6 wrote: Are there any Copywrite or IP Ownership issues that are going to drop this off the KS map?
Really interested in the game, but I'm seeing a potential IP issue come up if they go for the movie remakes...
There are not going to be any IP issues. They did also say that there will most likely be a second game, which will be based I believe on the second movie. There aren't going to be any Prodos AVP issue delays. CZE main business are licensed IP so they have experience dealing with this process.
2015/02/21 17:40:08
Subject: Ghostbusters: The Board Game - @$668K, Next SG @ $700K
Grot 6 wrote: Are there any Copywrite or IP Ownership issues that are going to drop this off the KS map?
Wouldn't mind picking up a group of Crooked Dices Savage School Girls to add in here, along with Kolchack.
this is all official and licenced so it good to go
I'm far less certain about the Crooked Dice stuff (and indeed this happening makes it more likely the IP owner might suggest crooked dice stop), so get them sooner rather than later
2015/02/21 19:07:18
Subject: Ghostbusters: The Board Game - @$668K, Next SG @ $700K
The IP thing is why I ordered the Crooked Dice ones.
A while back Brother Vinni did some Mutons and Sectoids from X-Com.. and I was really lucky to have placed an order for those because within the week they had to remove them. I'm one of probably a very few people who got those. So.. yup.. usually if I see a quality miniature of an IP I like and it's pretty obvious they don't have official licensing.. I order as soon as I'm able.
In fact.. I just did the same with a huge Spider Tank from Ghost in the Shell out of Thailand. It's gotten good reviews, is scaled for 28mm.. and I'm pretty sure it's very very unofficial.
MLaw wrote: The IP thing is why I ordered the Crooked Dice ones.
A while back Brother Vinni did some Mutons and Sectoids from X-Com.. and I was really lucky to have placed an order for those because within the week they had to remove them. I'm one of probably a very few people who got those. So.. yup.. usually if I see a quality miniature of an IP I like and it's pretty obvious they don't have official licensing.. I order as soon as I'm able.
In fact.. I just did the same with a huge Spider Tank from Ghost in the Shell out of Thailand. It's gotten good reviews, is scaled for 28mm.. and I'm pretty sure it's very very unofficial.
This game is 100% licensed by Sony. They have 100% final say on EVERY single aspect of this game, from the models to the tile art to the rules. CZE has spent months going back and forth working with Sony and making changes Sony wants. It's not a fast process by any means(any proposed change, however small, has a 10 day response window). And compared to other licensors that is a pretty fast turnaround on approvals.
Sony knows what is in the pipeline for their IP in every aspect. They know every SG and addon for this game, any future games, the new movie, any future movies etc.
While I can't speak to how long this game will be in production(no one can really predict such things for any game, even the companies that make them), I can say with 100% certainty that this game isn't going to up and disappear overnight because Sony says so. CZE is already licensed with them to do trading cards, collectible figures and more. http://thegeekiary.com/trading-cards-and-more-cryptozoic-at-ny-toy-fair-2015/21478
"Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! ... It’s become the promotions department of a toy company." -- Rick Priestly
2015/02/21 20:33:06
Subject: Ghostbusters: The Board Game - @$668K, Next SG @ $700K
I really don't understand your point..
I was talking about the Crooked Dice not-Ghostbusters.. not this. I am not going near this because IMO, it's an over-priced boardgame that's gaming the exclusive buzzword and milking the pre-order nature of Kickstarter on something they could've taken straight to retail.
I get that you have friends there.. but not everyone is going to be interested in this no matter how excited you are for it (and I can sympathize with that because of my recent posts on another kickstarter).
MLaw wrote: I really don't understand your point..
I was talking about the Crooked Dice not-Ghostbusters.. not this. I am not going near this because IMO, it's an over-priced boardgame that's gaming the exclusive buzzword and milking the pre-order nature of Kickstarter on something they could've taken straight to retail.
I get that you have friends there.. but not everyone is going to be interested in this no matter how excited you are for it (and I can sympathize with that because of my recent posts on another kickstarter).
My apologies, my reply was more aimed at Grot 6, quoted the wrong post. I didn't mean to imply you thought it was not licensed.
CZE isn't some majorly large company. The overhead with taking this game beyond sharpie foamboard concept is considerable, and using KS is exactly the right move and is what KS is made for:covering costs to see a product made at all. I backed the Secret Weapons Miniatures Tablescapes KS day one, even though the board design I wanted was one of the last ones unlocked, because regardless of if I got Rolling Fields, I wanted that table to exist(if mostly out of spite towards GW).
I tend to view KS's with few or no stretch goals as preorder machines more. Granted some times there are products that simply do not warrant any addons beyond the initial design.
Not every game is for everyone, and we all have our own reasons why we do or do not want a game. While I do have some vested interest in seeing CZE succeed, I'll readily admit that the Ghostbusters IP itself isn't something "important" to me or my gaming needs. But that's simply the nature of IP, and is in no way a reflection on the games design or playstyle.
"Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! ... It’s become the promotions department of a toy company." -- Rick Priestly
2015/02/21 20:52:04
Subject: Ghostbusters: The Board Game - @$668K, Next SG @ $700K
I dunno.. it just bugs me when I see stretch goals that are obviously things that would've been in the game anyway. It's kinda like in Guardians of the Galaxy where Star Lord tells Yondu that normal people don't even think about eating people, let alone having them be grateful for it.. I feel like companies that are doing this with stretch goals are wanting us to be thankful they're adding something in that would've been there anyway.
I see an added bonus in new characters but I don't really see a lot of added bonuses from having new ghosts, unless we get some more Class 1 and 2 ghosts for merging interaction going on... which we haven't really.
2015/03/02 19:01:18
Subject: Re:Ghostbusters: The Board Game - @$819K, Next SG @ $825K
Updated the OP with Updated Character Cards, Ghost Cards, Gameplay Videos and Stretch Goals. I will continue to update the thread. However I have dropped my pledge down to a minimum. There are too many things that I am currently not liking about how the campaign has been turning out. I'm still in because I'm a fan, which it does appear a good portion of the backers are so that is good. There are also a good portion of backers who are most likely planning on selling on EBay aftermarket. I like the game and I think it is fun, although I'll be modifying the existing rules to play on actual terrain and not a game board. We've had a lot of fun with the initial testing and I think that is the direction I'll be moving given the way the campaign is moving.
2015/03/04 15:08:14
Subject: Re:Ghostbusters: The Board Game - @$819K, Next SG @ $825K
Lot's of Stretch Goals unlocked, at least they added some more Class 1 and 2 ghost options. I do like seeing that Walter Peck was added. 37 hours left remaining and it is at $1,152,034 currently. Although I'm fairly sure a good portion of backers are going to be going straight to Ebay since almost everything about this Kickstarter is just Kickstarter Exclusives that will never hit retail normally.
Boogaloo is coming up! And he’s a big one: a full 100mm! The Boogaloo Manifestations will still be a part of the game and this piece is not replacing any, it is Boogaloo himself with his own new Ghost Card!
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2015/03/11 03:58:56
Subject: Ghostbusters: The Board Game - @$1,177,410, Next SG @ $1250K
I don't mind letting anyone piggy back, I'll send you a PM.
Unlocked.
At this point I feel like they ran out of Stretch Goals. I still wish they would create some more non-exclusive packs that would see retail light though... I'm still really disappointed that only the main box will hit retail.
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2015/03/11 04:40:28
Subject: Ghostbusters: The Board Game - @$1,177,410, Next SG @ $1250K