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That's a nice SC box. As an added bonus the lack of Triarch units means everything in there will benefit from the new Dynasty rules. But the inclusion of Warriors means there current kit and the clear green rods are probably sticking around for a while yet.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
That's a nice SC box. As an added bonus the lack of Triarch units means everything in there will benefit from the new Dynasty rules. But the inclusion of Warriors means there current kit and the clear green rods are probably sticking around for a while yet.

That is assuming they don't fix the No Dynasty rule for Triarch units. I still want to make Triarch Praetorians instead of Lychguard. I like the pistol and sword variant.

Yeah, voidblades are pretty nice. Basically a hyperphase sword that adds an extra attack.

I sincerely hope that the clear green rods stay if warriors are ever updated.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
That's a nice SC box. As an added bonus the lack of Triarch units means everything in there will benefit from the new Dynasty rules. But the inclusion of Warriors means there current kit and the clear green rods are probably sticking around for a while yet.

That is assuming they don't fix the No Dynasty rule for Triarch units. I still want to make Triarch Praetorians instead of Lychguard. I like the pistol and sword variant.

I wouldn't assume that the "No Dynasty rule for Triarch units" is going to get fixed. They, per the beta rules, don't prevent Dynasty units from getting their benefits--they're basically the Tempestus and other Advisors of the Necron book.

Yeah, that's never going to change.

Obviously, they should replace the clear green rods with transparent orange chainsaws.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/03/18/they-ruled-once-and-they-shall-rule-again/

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Forgebane was just the beginning – across the galaxy, an ancient evil is rising. Next week, you’ll be able to pre-order Codex: Necrons, your complete guide to the 41st Millennium’s oldest living (or is that unliving?) race.


Over the years, the Necrons have evolved and developed as a faction, and today they’re a richly realised part of the fabric of Warhammer 40,000. Codex: Necrons is the next step in that evolution, providing new rules that’ll allow you to customise your army more than ever before, whether you’re dedicating your force to a particular dynasty or combining your favourite units with new Stratagems.
To help you commemorate the occasion, Codex: Necrons is being released in lavishly realised collector’s edition – if you’re a dedicated fan, make sure to grab your copy before stocks run out!


Additionally, with so many new Stratagems (not to mention Powers of the C’tan) coming out, there’s a set of datacards on the way to help you keep track of them mid-game, allowing you to plan your strategies like a true phaeron!


That’s not all – as if Forgebane didn’t offer enough savings, there’s a new Start Collecting! set on its way for Necrons, featuring a specially selected set of units for kicking off your army. With enough for not one but two Patrol Detachments in the same set, it’s a pretty great way to expand an existing collection too.


We’re super excited about Codex: Necrons, and so, all next week, we’ll be running in-depth previews of the book, looking at the Dynastic Codes and some particularly improved new units – in the meantime, let us know what you’re looking forward to most on the Warhammer 40,000 Facebook

The new start collecting box is much better than the old one, and goes well with the forgebane models.

Haven't they learnt no ones buying those collectors editions yet? It's not worth it when the books replaced in a year.

 TheWaspinator wrote:
Obviously, they should replace the clear green rods with transparent orange chainsaws.

I loved the Ice Planet 2002 Lego sets. Shouldn't be hard to get some of the chainsaws from there.

hobojebus wrote:
Haven't they learnt no ones buying those collectors editions yet? It's not worth it when the books replaced in a year.

Honestly If they were ten or twenty bucks cheaper I would have probably bought all the ones for my army.

hobojebus wrote:
Haven't they learnt no ones buying those collectors editions yet? It's not worth it when the books replaced in a year.

You don't buy the collectors codex for the current rules. You buy them because you love the faction.

It's a way of showing your gaming group/store that you love the army etc. Otherwise, yeah, there is no point in spending double the cost of a codex for nothing extra in return (well, you get a ribbon and some fancy cover art)

That's a really good box. 2 troops, potentially 2 HQs, the scarabs and the barge. Wow. They are really making it easy to start a necron force. I wonder what the price will be. I could see people mass buying those just for the cheap troops.

 Egyptian Space Zombie wrote:
That's a really good box. 2 troops, potentially 2 HQs, the scarabs and the barge. Wow. They are really making it easy to start a necron force. I wonder what the price will be. I could see people mass buying those just for the cheap troops.

The price should be the same as all other Start Collecting boxes (i.e. $140 AUD or whatever your local currency is in)

Value is quite good, you basically get the annihilation barge for free.

2 of these and Forgebane will get you a sizable Battalion as a decent starting point

Yeah, it's a start collecting box, so it'll cost as much as any other start collecting box. And honestly, the old one was pretty poor. This one is much better, both in savings and in units you get.

 NurglesR0T wrote:

hobojebus wrote:
Haven't they learnt no ones buying those collectors editions yet? It's not worth it when the books replaced in a year.

You don't buy the collectors codex for the current rules. You buy them because you love the faction.

It's a way of showing your gaming group/store that you love the army etc. Otherwise, yeah, there is no point in spending double the cost of a codex for nothing extra in return (well, you get a ribbon and some fancy cover art)

I do that by placing well painted models on the board, some of which I've had over 20 years, books come and go my lead Bjorn is forever.

 Geifer wrote:
Yeah, it's a start collecting box, so it'll cost as much as any other start collecting box. And honestly, the old one was pretty poor. This one is much better, both in savings and in units you get.

The same could be said for a lot of them at this point. Hopefully they take this opportunity to go back and revise some more of them.

Would be nice to get a Guard, AdMech, and Tempestus rejig. Without the Formations in them they're kinda lackluster now.

hobojebus wrote:

 NurglesR0T wrote:

hobojebus wrote:
Haven't they learnt no ones buying those collectors editions yet? It's not worth it when the books replaced in a year.

You don't buy the collectors codex for the current rules. You buy them because you love the faction.

It's a way of showing your gaming group/store that you love the army etc. Otherwise, yeah, there is no point in spending double the cost of a codex for nothing extra in return (well, you get a ribbon and some fancy cover art)

I do that by placing well painted models on the board, some of which I've had over 20 years, books come and go my lead Bjorn is forever.

No one cares. If they didn't sell GW wouldn't make them.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Yeah, it's a start collecting box, so it'll cost as much as any other start collecting box. And honestly, the old one was pretty poor. This one is much better, both in savings and in units you get.

The same could be said for a lot of them at this point. Hopefully they take this opportunity to go back and revise some more of them.

Would be nice to get a Guard, AdMech, and Tempestus rejig. Without the Formations in them they're kinda lackluster now.

I guess. I've not really paid attention to half of these. What's wrong with Tempestus? That's literally the entire sub-faction in one box, isn't it?

Skitarii is a nice box because the Onager is so expensive on its own. Nobody needs a pile of Domini, though. Enginseer would have been a better choice.

I suspect that Necrons are getting a new box because the old one simply didn't sell. You don't need several Overlords, Warriors are a dime a dozen and haven't been appealing next to Immortals in a while and the Stalker doesn't seem all that desirable either. With all ther other kits I can see greater value than Necrons had (even if twelve Cadians is just stupid for a horde army starter set)

Really like the look of the SC with ForgeBane. That should give me:

Cryptek
Necron Overlord
12 Warriors
3 Scarabs
10 Immortals
5 Lychguard / Praetorians
3 Wraiths
1 Command Barge or Annihilation Barge (If AB, then second Necron Overlord/Lord)

Would that get me to around 1k points?

 Geifer wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Yeah, it's a start collecting box, so it'll cost as much as any other start collecting box. And honestly, the old one was pretty poor. This one is much better, both in savings and in units you get.

The same could be said for a lot of them at this point. Hopefully they take this opportunity to go back and revise some more of them.

Would be nice to get a Guard, AdMech, and Tempestus rejig. Without the Formations in them they're kinda lackluster now.

I guess. I've not really paid attention to half of these. What's wrong with Tempestus? That's literally the entire sub-faction in one box, isn't it?

Same thing that's wrong with the Guard one:
The Commissar takes the place of something that could have been more useful. Guard could have had a Cadian Command Squad in lieu of the Commissar; basically the only reason there's a HWT in there is that they used the old stock of the single Heavy Weapon Team boxes($16 each) to make it so that you can include a Heavy Weapons Team in the Infantry Squad. That's $16 out of the $115.50 value on the SC: AM box devoted to what is for basically every other army present on their sprues. The age of the Cadian range has long been an issue in this regard, you need three different boxes(Command Squad, Infantry Squad, and Heavy Weapons Squad) to cover all of the options available to a single Infantry Squad.

Tempestus really should have just been a third box of Scions. That would give you 2 squads of 5, a Tempestor Prime, and a Command Squad plus the Taurox Prime: Literally a Patrol Detachment of Tempestus. And now that the Commissars have been given their own keyword(Officio Prefectus), I'd rather they GTFO those two boxes.

Skitarii is a nice box because the Onager is so expensive on its own. Nobody needs a pile of Domini, though. Enginseer would have been a better choice.

And that's precisely what's wrong with Skitarii. It was designed with the old Formation, being a cheap way for you to blend the two factions(Skitarii and AdMech) together and to alleviate the nonsensical whining that "Skitarii don't have an HQ! halps! how play?!".

AdMech is all one faction now. The Onager, while a good pick and being "so expensive on its own", is a Heavy Support slot that costs you $66(which if you ever build one...it kinda lives up to that price) and used to come in squadrons of up to 3. In comparison, Kataphron are a Troops choice and cost you a whopping $58 for 3.

Ditch the Dominus, replace it with an Enginseer and either remove the Onager or add a box of Kataphron to it as well. Moar value!

I suspect that Necrons are getting a new box because the old one simply didn't sell. You don't need several Overlords, Warriors are a dime a dozen and haven't been appealing next to Immortals in a while and the Stalker doesn't seem all that desirable either. With all ther other kits I can see greater value than Necrons had (even if twelve Cadians is just stupid for a horde army starter set)

It's a bit of sour grapes for me, personally, but I'm glad to see they're open to altering the contents of the SC boxes to make them more appealing. The AdMech, Tempestus, and Guard ones are just pet peeves of mine. Companies that aren't open to altering the contents of their 'starter' products to coincide with the armies themselves are even more of a pet peeve though.

It's funny you mention the Stalker though, as that model is what made me consider a Necron Start Collecting at one point for a SC painting challenge. It actually seems to have been more of a draw than not for people to get that set.

Necron players - was tempted to pick up two ForgeBane and one of the new Start Collecting sets. Is this a sensible starting position for a Necron force or too many of the wrong units?

Thanks

By what possible metric is an enginseer better value than a Dominus? You don't need a pile of either, but from a model perspective it's smaller and comes with less conversion parts, and from a gaming perspective an enginseer is complete dead weight in an army, serving only to save you from needing to pay full price for a second Dominus.

Aeneades wrote:
Necron players - was tempted to pick up two ForgeBane and one of the new Start Collecting sets. Is this a sensible starting position for a Necron force or too many of the wrong units?

Thanks

So that would be an Overlord, Command Barge/Annihilation Barge, 2 Crypteks, 12 Warriors, 15 Immortals/Deathmarks, 10 Lychguard/Triarch Praetorians, 6 Wraiths, 3 Scarabs.

Sounds pretty decent to me, I'd probably add more Warriors and Scarabs to increase their unit size, and they conveniently come in the same box.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Tempestus really should have just been a third box of Scions. That would give you 2 squads of 5, a Tempestor Prime, and a Command Squad plus the Taurox Prime: Literally a Patrol Detachment of Tempestus. And now that the Commissars have been given their own keyword(Officio Prefectus), I'd rather they GTFO those two boxes.

Yeah, that makes sense. Didn't know that. I'm still trying to pretend keywords don't exist.

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's funny you mention the Stalker though, as that model is what made me consider a Necron Start Collecting at one point for a SC painting challenge. It actually seems to have been more of a draw than not for people to get that set.

It's a cool model no doubt. I have two myself to go with my Praetorians. It's just that I've never spoken to anyone who said it belonged into a start collection. Ark? Yes. Barge? Yes. Stalker? No.

 Hragged wrote:

Aeneades wrote:
Necron players - was tempted to pick up two ForgeBane and one of the new Start Collecting sets. Is this a sensible starting position for a Necron force or too many of the wrong units?

Thanks

So that would be an Overlord, Command Barge/Annihilation Barge, 2 Crypteks, 12 Warriors, 15 Immortals/Deathmarks, 10 Lychguard/Triarch Praetorians, 6 Wraiths, 3 Scarabs.

Sounds pretty decent to me, I'd probably add more Warriors and Scarabs to increase their unit size, and they conveniently come in the same box.

Thanks for confirming. I thought a second pack of warriors and scarabs would be a likely purchase. Will probably also grab some flayed ones even if I never use them.

I’d probably get two of each box since max squads will still be good. Both lack a bit of anti vehicle besides warscythes, so also 2 doomsday arks and you’d be golden.

The Lychguard don't have any delivery mechanism in that scenario and without one they are stuck walking up the board (unless you pull deep strike shenanigans which could work but don't guarantee you the charge).

I'd say get those three boxes and then either a night scythe or a monolith. Either is fine, if it's the night scythe you can get there nice and quick, if it's the monolith, deepstrike it in and either teleport the lychguard through it or if it dies that's even better, you can teleport the lychguard where the monolith was in the enemy turn.

But bottom line is: Lychguard are a points sink and they are useless without a way of getting up the board.

TBF, nothing outside of being right next to the unit guarantees a charge in 40K. To say a charge needs to be guaranteed in order to try it is ridiculous. Overwatch isn't that scary either.