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 frankelee wrote:
Plenty of copies still available for those looking to immigrate to the States.

If I were GW I wouldn't have made a lot of copies just because who could say if it would be popular? Then again that silly knight expansion for HeroQuest sold like crazy, people like expansions.


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GW may be pushing more copies to the US to take advantage of the current currency situation.

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The $50 price tag is around what what we're looking at for books from GW. I don't see it as out of the range of other GW expansion products. It's expensive, but in the normal range for GW. Would the complaints be any different if it had been an expansion book instead of a board game expansion?

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 silent25 wrote:
 frankelee wrote:
Plenty of copies still available for those looking to immigrate to the States.

If I were GW I wouldn't have made a lot of copies just because who could say if it would be popular? Then again that silly knight expansion for HeroQuest sold like crazy, people like expansions.


Tinfoil hat on

GW may be pushing more copies to the US to take advantage of the current currency situation.

Tinfoil hat off

The $50 price tag is around what what we're looking at for books from GW. I don't see it as out of the range of other GW expansion products. It's expensive, but in the normal range for GW. Would the complaints be any different if it had been an expansion book instead of a board game expansion?


It wouldn't surprise if they sent a lot of copies to America, maybe Cursed City sold best there, I don't know, but they're making $34 selling it in the UK, $41 in the EU, and $50 in the US. So why not send most of your copies there?

The price is in the normal range for GW, that's true. Though I think their luxury prices put them on a high wire of delivering at a high level, and when they miss that mark the consumer really notices. I think that was a bit of a problem for companies like FFG and CMON when they first tried to do wargames at relatively expensive prices like GW does, but didn't understand you have to put the bow on it to the same level as GW does too. In this case doing a book instead (wrapped in cellophane with a pack of cards and sheet of tokens) would have been a fantastic idea. Don't invest your creativity in four villains, spread it around to a bunch of the current model range, like 16 villains or distinct minion groups, and put it in a book of fluff and narrative missions. Then they just could have said, if you have these models, or proxy these models, you can add all this new content to Cursed City, and nobody would have batted an eye. People would have been widely clamoring for it, instead of questioning how terrible a value it was.
   
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 frankelee wrote:

It wouldn't surprise if they sent a lot of copies to America, maybe Cursed City sold best there, I don't know, but they're making $34 selling it in the UK, $41 in the EU, and $50 in the US. So why not send most of your copies there?


Well, by that logic, they'd send them all to AU NZ and Japan!

   
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Wonderful. That's my order been cancelled. Out of the blue, far FAR too late to source from anywhere else.

"We only received 20% of our allocation..." f**k hobbyworkshop, their bs excuses, and everyone involved in this farce.I have been a fan of this game since day 1, and I'm one of the ones completely effed over?

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Mine got cancelled too. Seeing a fair few UK LGS who have received a lot less stock (Goblin Gaming is another) so wonder if it has been cursed too...
   
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 Clockpunk wrote:
Wonderful. That's my order been cancelled. Out of the blue, far FAR too late to source from anywhere else.

"We only received 20% of our allocation..." f**k hobbyworkshop, their bs excuses, and everyone involved in this farce.I have been a fan of this game since day 1, and I'm one of the ones completely effed over?


Thats a real kick in the nuts.

Not sure if this is your cup of tea but someone named Peter Cooper has made two fan expansions that might be worth checking out; Exile of Ulfenkarn and VerminHollow. I see rules for not only the models for Nightwars but also the Crimson Court models and the explorers from Silver Tower. Oh, and the Ven Densts.

I hope this helps.


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 Clockpunk wrote:
Wonderful. That's my order been cancelled. Out of the blue, far FAR too late to source from anywhere else.

"We only received 20% of our allocation..." f**k hobbyworkshop, their bs excuses, and everyone involved in this farce.I have been a fan of this game since day 1, and I'm one of the ones completely effed over?


Because yes, a retailer is totally to blame for a manufacturer shorting them…

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For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
 
   
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Legend tells of a Bermuda triangle type zone where ships from China lose 80% of any Cursed City related cargo.

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And here in Canada it's still readily available and had no trouble ordering mine.

Kinda sad it didn't come with any models, but that was probably the best scenario for them considering the original botched release. That still didn't stop them to charge as much as they could though!

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 Skywave wrote:
And here in Canada it's still readily available and had no trouble ordering mine.

Kinda sad it didn't come with any models, but that was probably the best scenario for them considering the original botched release. That still didn't stop them to charge as much as they could though!


Oh, I know - I tried a Canadian retailer (even at *that* level of full cost and shipping), but they cancelled right away - not being able to sell new product internationally. >.<

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 JohnnyHell wrote:
 Clockpunk wrote:
Wonderful. That's my order been cancelled. Out of the blue, far FAR too late to source from anywhere else.

"We only received 20% of our allocation..." f**k hobbyworkshop, their bs excuses, and everyone involved in this farce.I have been a fan of this game since day 1, and I'm one of the ones completely effed over?


Because yes, a retailer is totally to blame for a manufacturer shorting them…


It is if they oversell without confirming their stock first.
   
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From what I gather its when they get more sales on the webstore and then redirect stock from stores to the webstore.


The problem is we on the outside can sometimes never tell if its because a 3rd party store is overselling or if GW is changing delivery amounts last moment and leaving 3rd party stores high and dry without stock that they were expecting to get.

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 Clockpunk wrote:
Wonderful. That's my order been cancelled. Out of the blue, far FAR too late to source from anywhere else.

"We only received 20% of our allocation..." f**k hobbyworkshop, their bs excuses, and everyone involved in this farce.I have been a fan of this game since day 1, and I'm one of the ones completely effed over?

Don’t know if it helps anyone abroad, but here‘s a German shop where you can still order Nightwars in English (at a 20% discount):

https://taschengelddieb.de/die-verfluchte-stadt-nachtkriege_1

I‘ve ordered from a different place, but they now show it to be out of stock.

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The really surprising thing?

Not only did the expansion sell out in the U.K.? But…so did the models needed.

No. Really.

Which I’m afraid kind of suggest “what does Dakka know?”. And I say that in a rare case of me being on the side of the critics here.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The really surprising thing?

Not only did the expansion sell out in the U.K.? But…so did the models needed.

No. Really.

Which I’m afraid kind of suggest “what does Dakka know?”. And I say that in a rare case of me being on the side of the critics here.


A combination of FOMO, and scalpers seeing the resale price of Blackstone Fortress and hoping to cash in.
   
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Not seeing it I’m afraid, so I must disagree.

Scalpers would be daft to go the extra expense of spending five times the price of the Expansion on Stock Models. Models which aren’t going anywhere. Models which will be in various shops already because they originally launched months ago. They’re just not going to get a return on that - and would be absolutely risking a loss, because at that point the models just become Second Hand.

Because….FOMO can’t be applied to Stock Models. Sure it’s a pain when GW goes out of stock - but that’s not the same as Out Of Production. Because they’ll be back on sale in a few weeks. And yes, they will. They’re a formal part of the Soulbliggt army. The characters even an integral part of said army.


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It clearly show that enough people will pay stupid amounts of money to get these that there is no incentive at all for GW to do anything else.

So welcome to the new normal I guess?
   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The really surprising thing?

Not only did the expansion sell out in the U.K.? But…so did the models needed.

No. Really.

Which I’m afraid kind of suggest “what does Dakka know?”. And I say that in a rare case of me being on the side of the critics here.


Presumably the part of Dakka that can get on board with this style of expansion knows just fine, and the part that believes GW fans are a bunch of cultists is sure to have more fuel for their belief?

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 Albertorius wrote:
It clearly show that enough people will pay stupid amounts of money to get these that there is no incentive at all for GW to do anything else.

So welcome to the new normal I guess?


I’d argue there’s nothing new about it. We know GW has been doing…exceptionally well over the past few years, recording record profits year after year.

And for clarity folks, I’m not “Nyeh nyeh told you so” on this. I’m actually surprised, as £30 with no models seemed like an obvious no. But….we were wrong.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
It clearly show that enough people will pay stupid amounts of money to get these that there is no incentive at all for GW to do anything else.

So welcome to the new normal I guess?


I’d argue there’s nothing new about it. We know GW has been doing…exceptionally well over the past few years, recording record profits year after year.

And for clarity folks, I’m not “Nyeh nyeh told you so” on this. I’m actually surprised, as £30 with no models seemed like an obvious no. But….we were wrong.


I actually meant the "separately sold minis" part. It clearly works out for them. So I expect we will be seeing more of it.

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 Albertorius wrote:
It clearly show that enough people will pay stupid amounts of money to get these that there is no incentive at all for GW to do anything else.

So welcome to the new normal I guess?


Truth be told I wouldn't infer anything about the customer side of this. GW might not have all that much stock of those characters lying around at any given time and the cross compatibility with AoS means there's a chance that much of it can be accounted for as Soulblight players who also like Warhammer Quest getting the final nudge they needed to add them to their collection.

But you're right, the worry here is that GW is going to read it as approval and keeps putting out this kind of expansion.

It's not even like it's a terrible idea in principle. I'm sure a lot of us would love to see paper only expansions if they included new tiles, matching campaigns and large bestiaries, and if GW made an open dungeon crawler more akin to Warhammer Quest of old instead of the narrowly focused ones with cut down RPG elements we get these days. Of course these days GW's prices make that a less tempting proposition, but a good core game with a steady stream of campaign expansions that gradually add rules for the entire AoS line seems a lot more appealing than a narrowly focused core game and an expansion that looks like a sales vehicle for super expensive character packs. I mean, both ideas effectively describe the same thing when it comes to making GW money, but one of them just looks better. At least to me.

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 Geifer wrote:
It's not even like it's a terrible idea in principle. I'm sure a lot of us would love to see paper only expansions if they included new tiles, matching campaigns and large bestiaries, and if GW made an open dungeon crawler more akin to Warhammer Quest of old instead of the narrowly focused ones with cut down RPG elements we get these days. Of course these days GW's prices make that a less tempting proposition, but a good core game with a steady stream of campaign expansions that gradually add rules for the entire AoS line seems a lot more appealing than a narrowly focused core game and an expansion that looks like a sales vehicle for super expensive character packs. I mean, both ideas effectively describe the same thing when it comes to making GW money, but one of them just looks better. At least to me.


On principle I absolutely agree. But not at that price point.

If they decided to make and sell these kinds of expansions for like 20 euros, though... I mean, is there anything at the "impulsive buy" level anymore? Other than maybe paints, I guess? Back when I was working at the GW store, we did a lot of money out of those, and I don't feel GW makes any anymore.

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 Albertorius wrote:
I mean, is there anything at the "impulsive buy" level anymore?
The Space Marine Heroes, Koyo badges, keyrings, etc.
   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m actually surprised, as £30 with no models seemed like an obvious no. But….we were wrong.


It's in the same area as a codex. That too is just expansion rules for a game which requires buying models separately. If one gets into that mindset, shelling out for a thin box with some card and paper explaining how to use some vampires in Quest isn't too different.
   
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 Shakalooloo wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m actually surprised, as £30 with no models seemed like an obvious no. But….we were wrong.


It's in the same area as a codex. That too is just expansion rules for a game which requires buying models separately. If one gets into that mindset, shelling out for a thin box with some card and paper explaining how to use some vampires in Quest isn't too different.


Honestly hadn’t thought of it that way.

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beast_gts wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
I mean, is there anything at the "impulsive buy" level anymore?
The Space Marine Heroes, Koyo badges, keyrings, etc.


I've seen none of that sold in any store over here (GW or otherwise), only online.
   
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Surely that entirely varies person to person.

I mean, my 2nd Ed Eldar Project is ultimately an impulse buy. Started as an idea, hyped by the new Eldar releases, and turned into a few hundred quid dropped, because at that precise time my disposable income allowed for such.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Surely that entirely varies person to person.

I mean, my 2nd Ed Eldar Project is ultimately an impulse buy. Started as an idea, hyped by the new Eldar releases, and turned into a few hundred quid dropped, because at that precise time my disposable income allowed for such.



..Ok. By "impulse buy", in a store, one usually means "article cheap enough that it's pocket money for most of the store's traffic". Sure, it will vary from person to person, but you need a "fit for most" definition for that kinda stuff to be of any use at all. Usually, an "impulse buy" item would be something you could buy with, at most, a tenner. Like a paint pot. Or (back in the day) the WD. Or one of the cheap push fit boxes with IG or the like. Or yes, back in 2nd edition, a blister of minis. So everytime someone comes to the store, even if they don't buy anything "substantial", they can get something that they weren't specifically looking for.

I feel like you might not be in the "most of the store's traffic" category, though ^^, but rather in the "frequent miles" one .

But nowadays, I don't think there's much outside paints and the like that would qualify as "impulse buy".

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Even the £20 bracket is getting pretty limited on options. Even a lot of single leader models can be just over that threshold and products that fit into it now might be something like a parts upgrade pack rather than a full model.


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