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**Mr Morden**

IVIOOSE wrote:
I’ll be writing up a battle report from my games from Lvo soon. I had 5 units of seraphim and they were mvp all weekend went 5-1 with only loss to nick who won it all. Ended up getting 10th and highest person with 1 loss.

Well done - look forward to reading.

**deviantduck**

davidgr33n wrote:
The Stormbolter and Inferno Pistol costs 11 points, combimelta is 19 points. I find if I’m close enough to shoot my melta I’m usually close enough to have shot the inferno pistol as well.

I hate you.

Now I have to cast more inferno pistols because this is a no brainer. Also, how the hell am I going to model an inferno pistol on the storm bolter model....

**pretre**

deviantduck wrote:
davidgr33n wrote:
The Stormbolter and Inferno Pistol costs 11 points, combimelta is 19 points. I find if I’m close enough to shoot my melta I’m usually close enough to have shot the inferno pistol as well.
I hate you. Now I have to cast more inferno pistols because this is a no brainer. Also, how the hell am I going to model an inferno pistol on the storm bolter model....

Holster.

Or just mount an inferno barrel on the top of the storm bolter.

It's a Gr33n Pattern Storm Bolter with Integral Inferno Gun.

**davidgr33n**

pretre wrote:
deviantduck wrote:
davidgr33n wrote:
The Stormbolter and Inferno Pistol costs 11 points, combimelta is 19 points. I find if I’m close enough to shoot my melta I’m usually close enough to have shot the inferno pistol as well.
I hate you. Now I have to cast more inferno pistols because this is a no brainer. Also, how the hell am I going to model an inferno pistol on the storm bolter model....

Holster. Or just mount an inferno barrel on the top of the storm bolter.

It's a Gr33n Pattern Storm Bolter with Integral Inferno Gun.

Haha Pretre I like it.

I’ve been pondering the same question about representing the pistol on my models, that sounds like a great idea.

All the Superiors can do the Stormbolter / Inferno Pistol combo (but not the Seraphim Superior, nor the Canoness oddly enough). Since I use Repressors for all my Girls and run them aggressively anyway, having the Superiors in the frontlines with an Inferno Pistol will work better than paying for a 5 strong unit of Seraphim with the sole purpose of carrying 4 Infernos. Granted the Seraphim can target specific units and get in tight spots where my Repressors won’t, but it comes out much cheaper points wise.

**Heafstaag**

Does anybody use Penitent engines? I've loved the models for years, and recently found out they actually still for sale, and for fairly cheap too! Their stats and point costs seem alright, and I was thinking of bringing a spear head with...I guess at least 3, bot probably 6 penitent engines and a cannoness with some of the fast attack sisters that can take stormbolters in an immolator to add to my other imperial forces for fun.

Any thoughts on Penitent engines?

**Amishprn86**

Used it 4x all 4 times it did nothing lol. No one even shoots it, it just doesnt get to anything fast enough.

Tho i am scouting 6-7 units and moving 2 units 24", its low movement leaves it 2 turns behind on turn 1.

**Paimon**

Why not combi-plasma instead of combi-melta on the Dominion Superiors? It's a few points cheaper, and you've got a rapid fire weapon that can kill infantry more efficiently than the meltagun while still being decent against vehicles.

Against say, Terminators, who have an invul save anyway, super charging the plasma seems like a better option than over killing most of the time, and sometimes only getting one wound. Especially since in a perfect world, you can kill two of them instead of one.

**Amishprn86**

I dont have it modeled lol

**MacPhail**

Heafstaag wrote:
Does anybody use Penitent engines? I've loved the models for years, and recently found out they actually still for sale, and for fairly cheap too! Their stats and point costs seem alright, and I was thinking of bringing a spear head with...I guess at least 3, bot probably 6 penitent engines and a cannoness with some of the fast attack sisters that can take stormbolters in an immolator to add to my other imperial forces for fun.

Any thoughts on Penitent engines?

I recently got my first and I love the look and the presence of the model in my army. Game play is tough... slow and not super resilient. I think multiples are needed for offense. A single one roaming your backfield can discourage DSers. Mine roasted a whole unit of those fancy new marines as they dropped, got the charge and fought twice. Also hard to shift off an objective if you can shield it from lascannons and such. When one gets into something squishy, look out. So, my limited experience is that they're fun, but not super competitive, at least in small numbers.

**davidgr33n**

Paimon wrote:
Why not combi-plasma instead of combi-melta on the Dominion Superiors? It's a few points cheaper, and you've got a rapid fire weapon that can kill infantry more efficiently than the meltagun while still being decent against vehicles.

Against say, Terminators, who have an invul save anyway, super charging the plasma seems like a better option than over killing most of the time, and sometimes only getting one wound. Especially since in a perfect world, you can kill two of them instead of one.

Or better yet, why not a Stormbolter and an Inferno Pistol for 11 pts instead of 15 for the combiplasma? More dakka / and short range melta when you need it...

**Giantwalkingchair**

MacPhail wrote:
Heafstaag wrote:
Does anybody use Penitent engines? I've loved the models for years, and recently found out they actually still for sale, and for fairly cheap too! Their stats and point costs seem alright, and I was thinking of bringing a spear head with...I guess at least 3, bot probably 6 penitent engines and a cannoness with some of the fast attack sisters that can take stormbolters in an immolator to add to my other imperial forces for fun.

Any thoughts on Penitent engines?

I recently got my first and I love the look and the presence of the model in my army. Game play is tough... slow and not super resilient. I think multiples are needed for offense. A single one roaming your backfield can discourage DSers. Mine roasted a whole unit of those fancy new marines as they dropped, got the charge and fought twice. Also hard to shift off an objective if you can shield it from lascannons and such. When one gets into something squishy, look out. So, my limited experience is that they're fun, but not super competitive, at least in small numbers.

Pretty much this. Theres a reason you can take them in squadron. They need the numbers to survive to combat and even combat itself sometimes.
They lack real mobility. They still miss the old days of 6+d6 movement then advance.

That said, they are still wonderful looking models and look great painted up and on the table. Ive used them as back field defenders and counter charge with satisfactory success.

**pretre**

davidgr33n wrote:
Paimon wrote:
Why not combi-plasma instead of combi-melta on the Dominion Superiors? It's a few points cheaper, and you've got a rapid fire weapon that can kill infantry more efficiently than the meltagun while still being decent against vehicles.

Against say, Terminators, who have an invul save anyway, super charging the plasma seems like a better option than over killing most of the time, and sometimes only getting one wound. Especially since in a perfect world, you can kill two of them instead of one.

Or better yet, why not a Stormbolter and an Inferno Pistol for 11 pts instead of 15 for the combiplasma? More dakka / and short range melta when you need it...

I've taken Combi Plasma before. The extra 4 points gets you another shot and 6" of range, which is not a bad deal.

**deviantduck**

Paimon wrote:
Why not combi-plasma instead of combi-melta on the Dominion Superiors?

Bolter. Flamer. Melta. Afterall, it's not the holy quadrinity...

**pretre**

Going to a 2 day, 5 round, heavily soft-scored (paint and sports) event using the Open War deck (lots of objectives). Decided to be boring and just take out the Battalion:

Spoiler:

**Milkshaker**

IVIOOSE wrote:
I’ll be writing up a battle report from my games from Lvo soon. I had 5 units of seraphim and they were mvp all weekend went 5-1 with only loss to nick who won it all. Ended up getting 10th and highest person with 1 loss.

This would be amazing! I'd love to hear about your list and the battles you played! Great to see sisters doing well

**davidgr33n**

pretre wrote:
davidgr33n wrote:
Paimon wrote:
Why not combi-plasma instead of combi-melta on the Dominion Superiors? It's a few points cheaper, and you've got a rapid fire weapon that can kill infantry more efficiently than the meltagun while still being decent against vehicles.

Against say, Terminators, who have an invul save anyway, super charging the plasma seems like a better option than over killing most of the time, and sometimes only getting one wound. Especially since in a perfect world, you can kill two of them instead of one.

Or better yet, why not a Stormbolter and an Inferno Pistol for 11 pts instead of 15 for the combiplasma? More dakka / and short range melta when you need it...

I've taken Combi Plasma before. The extra 4 points gets you another shot and 6" of range, which is not a bad deal.

I agree it’s a good deal, I just prefer the Stormbolter option for putting out more shots. If they made a Stormbolter combiweapon I’d put plasma over the Inferno Pistol.

**Heafstaag**

Giantwalkingchair wrote:
MacPhail wrote:
Heafstaag wrote:
Does anybody use Penitent engines? I've loved the models for years, and recently found out they actually still for sale, and for fairly cheap too! Their stats and point costs seem alright, and I was thinking of bringing a spear head with...I guess at least 3, bot probably 6 penitent engines and a cannoness with some of the fast attack sisters that can take stormbolters in an immolator to add to my other imperial forces for fun.

Any thoughts on Penitent engines?

I recently got my first and I love the look and the presence of the model in my army. Game play is tough... slow and not super resilient. I think multiples are needed for offense. A single one roaming your backfield can discourage DSers. Mine roasted a whole unit of those fancy new marines as they dropped, got the charge and fought twice. Also hard to shift off an objective if you can shield it from lascannons and such. When one gets into something squishy, look out. So, my limited experience is that they're fun, but not super competitive, at least in small numbers.

Pretty much this. Theres a reason you can take them in squadron. They need the numbers to survive to combat and even combat itself sometimes.
They lack real mobility. They still miss the old days of 6+d6 movement then advance.

That said, they are still wonderful looking models and look great painted up and on the table. Ive used them as back field defenders and counter charge with satisfactory success.

That is why I was thinking of squads of two at least. Maybe a squad of 3, and two single engine units...the single engine units stay back to defend, or are used as a distraction, while the 3 strong unit hopefully makes it into combat.

Thank you guys for the responses!

**Giantwalkingchair**

No worries. Definately go min 2 engines for ahgressive front line looking for trouble squads. Keep them away from things that can strike them first and if they get charged, use your strat to interrupt, they really dont like being hit back.
I had a squad of 2 once take down a repulsor and then a full squad of aggressors which was wine, but the aggressors were in range of a 'i get to fight even though you just killed me' banner, which resulted in the engines going bye bye.

**Lanlaorn**

Hey guys, potentially silly question, but can Dominions advance as part of their Vanguard move?

If so, and they advance in their before-the-game move, they don't count as having advanced for the first turn, right?

**pretre**

Lanlaorn wrote:
Hey guys, potentially silly question, but can Dominions advance as part of their Vanguard move?

If so, and they advance in their before-the-game move, they don't count as having advanced for the first turn, right?

Yes, they can.

And no, since it is pre-game, it does not count against first turn.

**MacPhail**

On that note, am I right that if you do the same thing with an AoF, you'd be unable to charge later that turn, because it happens during the turn, just not during the movement phase, right? Or does the penalty for advancing only apply if it happens during movement? And assuming its the former, martyrdom allows us to avoid that because it happens most commonly during an opponent's phase?

**deviantduck**

MacPhail wrote:
On that note, am I right that if you do the same thing with an AoF, you'd be unable to charge later that turn, because it happens during the turn, just not during the movement phase, right? Or does the penalty for advancing only apply if it happens during movement? And assuming its the former, martyrdom allows us to avoid that because it happens most commonly during an opponent's phase?

Hmm.. I was under the impression you couldn't shoot or charge if you vanguard, but now i'm leaning toward you can. It says before the first takes their turn. Neat. It's been moot so far in my games except for a couple.

"A unit that Advances can’t shoot or charge later that turn."

"Vanguard: Once both sides are deployed but before the first player takes their turn,..."

**pretre**

If you advance during pre-game movement with Doms, you'd be fine.

If you advance with AoF in a normal turn, you would not be able to charge or shoot later in that turn.

**deviantduck**

In my head they were the same thing for some reason. All this wedding nonsense is taking up too much space in my brain. After tomorrow I can get back to focusing on what's really important in life.

**MacPhail**

Yep, I'm pretty sure I understood it right, but I'm also sure I've played it wrong at times. I'm definitely going to look at Martyrdom as a way to exploit that.

On a different note, I'm going to push the limits of our tactics thread because yours are the opinions I most want on this question...

Given that Inferno Seraphim are TACTICALLY advantageous, I'm going to order a bunch of these and start converting, unless someone knows of a better option. Is this "fusion pistol" my best bet for Seraphim? What else is out there?

http://anvilindustry.co.uk/The-Armoury/Rifles-Shotguns-Pistols/fusion-pistols

**Sentionaut**

You can always just order a couple sets of these:

https://www.shapeways.com/product/NJDV269SP/human-sized-thermal-injector-pistols-x5?optionId=64028725

**pretre**

MacPhail wrote:
Yep, I'm pretty sure I understood it right, but I'm also sure I've played it wrong at times. I'm definitely going to look at Martyrdom as a way to exploit that.

On a different note, I'm going to push the limits of our tactics thread because yours are the opinions I most want on this question...

Given that Inferno Seraphim are TACTICALLY advantageous, I'm going to order a bunch of these and start converting, unless someone knows of a better option. Is this "fusion pistol" my best bet for Seraphim? What else is out there?

http://anvilindustry.co.uk/The-Armoury/Rifles-Shotguns-Pistols/fusion-pistols

I used Canoness Inferno pistols and Blood Angel inferno pistols. Let me grab a picture...

**MacPhail**

Sentionaut wrote:
You can always just order a couple sets of these:

https://www.shapeways.com/product/NJDV269SP/human-sized-thermal-injector-pistols-x5?optionId=64028725

Those look great! Has anyone used them or shapeways in general?

@pretre: Nice work on those Geminae... makes me crave plastic sisters to mess with even more! I'm down to my last Canoness Inferno pistol, and that's why I'm on the quest. I thought about trying to cast it, but I don't have the time or the skill. Looked at GW bits resellers, but availability seems like an issue. 3rd party is where it's at, just gotta find the right piece.

**pretre**

/shrug up to you. I found plenty of BA inferno pistol bits to go around. I could have done both hand in plastic, but went with one of each.

**MacPhail**

I'd love 8 of the Canoness Infernos, if i could get them for less than the price of 8 Canonesses.