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 Platuan4th wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
From what I've noted, GW seems to be limiting non-kit weapon options around designed interoperability.

The First Born Marine Kits are mostly designed to work together, so allowing you to use your Devestator weapons on your Tactical Marines is allows. Same thing with the Battle Sisters Box. It's designed to integrate with the Retributor Kit (Multi-melta and Power Maul) and the Seraphim Kit (Inferno Pistol and Hand Flamer). Therefore those are options.

Given the designed interoperability of the Chaos Space Marine and Havok Kits, it is unlikely CSM will lose access to those weapons.

The problem with this theory is Wyches(which seems to be a common occurrence). It's technically interoperable with all of the other Cult models(even supplying the plastic Succubus with her options) but has this issue.

The problem with the theory is really evident in Skitarii Rangers and Vanguard.

It's the same kit for both Rangers and Vanguard. There was zero reason to restrict the Special Weapon picks to 1 of each per 10 models(meaning 3 total at 10...same as before but much worse because now the unit cannot take duplicates), outside of artificially trying to increase the take rates on the arqeubi for Vanguard.

The only good thing to come of this garbage was that you can now have an Omnispex and a Data-Tether in a 10 model squad.

Perhaps not the best thread to ask this in, and moderators have every right to delete this or redirect it to a more appropriate thread, but what is the image from the “This week in warhammer” video from? I don’t recognize it and thought it is referencing something that might come in the future, as it didn’t really match any of the reveals in the video.

xttz wrote:It's gonna be hilarious if this turns out to be just a single monopose Autarch model with one weapon from each aspect temple, strolling around like Doom guy.

Not all at once, mind you, but a return to the days when there was more than one loadout for the mighty Autarch.

petrov27 wrote:
-Autarch
-something armed with a Reaper Weapon
-something armed with a chainsword

I'm thinking this is all the same kit, as disappointing as that may be.

Inb4 it's a completly monopose Autrach with a Reaper Launcher and a Chainsword.

Ok, assuming these are previews for stuff coming in a "CSM vs Eldar" box, how likely is it that any of the units will have any options? I haven't bought a "big box" in a looongg time. Do any of the recent ones actually include options for the models? Or are they all monopose?

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Ok, assuming these are previews for stuff coming in a "CSM vs Eldar" box, how likely is it that any of the units will have any options? I haven't bought a "big box" in a looongg time. Do any of the recent ones actually include options for the models? Or are they all monopose?

Depends. For many of them, its just new characters facing off with a couple stray (full) kits each (see Shadowthrone).

For something like Shadowspear (which seems the more likely comparison) its monopose all the way, to the point that Chaos marines aren't particularly compatible with the generic kit (beyond heads and some shoulderpads), and whichever Primaris troops unit doesn't have the alternate unit build and the Eliminators don't have their weapon options. And the flying guys, daemon engine, oblits and greater possessed never even got real kits.

So yeah, if this is all new stuff facing off, expect monopose. And for the content to become the new 'combat patrols' at some point.
It'll be interesting to see which units get the short straw and become exclusive to the box set and/or combat patrols.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Ok, assuming these are previews for stuff coming in a "CSM vs Eldar" box, how likely is it that any of the units will have any options? I haven't bought a "big box" in a looongg time. Do any of the recent ones actually include options for the models? Or are they all monopose?

It entirely depends upon several things:
-If the box is intended to be like Shadowspear? No, it won't have all of the options for the models. There might be some options but not all.
-What you define monopose as.


The currently rumored "CSM v Eldar box" is 2 new Eldar kits(Rangers and Rangers on jetbikes) with an old kit(Farseer) vs a new plastic Warpsmith, new plastic Chosen, and the currently available Forge/Mauler-fiend kit.

There's also rumors of Aeldari getting a launch box, a KT box, all kinds of craziness.

Voss wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Ok, assuming these are previews for stuff coming in a "CSM vs Eldar" box, how likely is it that any of the units will have any options? I haven't bought a "big box" in a looongg time. Do any of the recent ones actually include options for the models? Or are they all monopose?

Depends. For many of them, its just new characters facing off with a couple stray (full) kits each (see Shadowthrone).

For something like Shadowspear (which seems the more likely comparison) its monopose all the way, to the point that Chaos marines aren't particularly compatible with the generic kit (beyond heads and some shoulderpads), and whichever Primaris troops unit doesn't have the alternate unit build and the Eliminators don't have their weapon options. And the flying guys, daemon engine, oblits and greater possessed never even got real kits.

So yeah, if this is all new stuff facing off, expect monopose. And for the content to become the new 'combat patrols' at some point.
It'll be interesting to see which units get the short straw and become exclusive to the box set and/or combat patrols.

That's what I was afraid of. So, here's hoping for a "Orks vs Krieg" style Killteam box! Or just single releases.

 Arschbombe wrote:

petrov27 wrote:
-Autarch
-something armed with a Reaper Weapon
-something armed with a chainsword

I'm thinking this is all the same kit, as disappointing as that may be.

Oh sure agreed totally possible. Wow that would be super troll like of GW though doing teases that indicate new Aspects then turn around and just do a single Autarch model - get a lot of folks hopes up then smash 'em right down.....

Yeah, it'd be a real bummer if GW just did a plastic version of this guy:

 KidCthulhu wrote:
Yeah, it'd be a real bummer if GW just did a plastic version of this guy:

I mean, all of the equipment, and even the helmet line up, don't they?

Ok, so this doesn't fit with the recent chaos and eldar rumors, but we did get what appears to be Idoneth blades a few rumor engines back.
What if it belongs to whoever Gotrek is fighting on the cover?



The swords look pretty close, plus she looks very unique for a deepkin. Not sure if they're all bald, but that's the first pale deepkin that I've seen actually have eyes. I wouldn't be surprised if they released her as some promo character for the book, though you would think they'd have revealed her the other day.

 Kanluwen wrote:
The currently rumored "CSM v Eldar box" is 2 new Eldar kits(Rangers and Rangers on jetbikes) with an old kit(Farseer) vs a new plastic Warpsmith, new plastic Chosen, and the currently available Forge/Mauler-fiend kit.

The current (most likely) rumour says it's a new Autarch model as the HQ in this box, making all the Eldar models new.

Voss wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Ok, assuming these are previews for stuff coming in a "CSM vs Eldar" box, how likely is it that any of the units will have any options? I haven't bought a "big box" in a looongg time. Do any of the recent ones actually include options for the models? Or are they all monopose?

Depends. For many of them, its just new characters facing off with a couple stray (full) kits each (see Shadowthrone).

For something like Shadowspear (which seems the more likely comparison) its monopose all the way, to the point that Chaos marines aren't particularly compatible with the generic kit (beyond heads and some shoulderpads), and whichever Primaris troops unit doesn't have the alternate unit build and the Eliminators don't have their weapon options. And the flying guys, daemon engine, oblits and greater possessed never even got real kits.

So yeah, if this is all new stuff facing off, expect monopose. And for the content to become the new 'combat patrols' at some point.
It'll be interesting to see which units get the short straw and become exclusive to the box set and/or combat patrols.

The big difference between Shadowspear and something like this is that marines are almost guaranteed to sell well enough to justify the bespoke combined sprues. I fully expect any xenos boxed set (aside from new edition starter sets) to be separate kits like the Ork army box & combat patrol, all with stand-alone releases at a later date.

How many bitz & wargear options they get will most likely depend on how much spare space in the left on the sprues.

 xttz wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
The currently rumored "CSM v Eldar box" is 2 new Eldar kits(Rangers and Rangers on jetbikes) with an old kit(Farseer) vs a new plastic Warpsmith, new plastic Chosen, and the currently available Forge/Mauler-fiend kit.

The current (most likely) rumour says it's a new Autarch model as the HQ in this box, making all the Eldar models new.

Voss wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Ok, assuming these are previews for stuff coming in a "CSM vs Eldar" box, how likely is it that any of the units will have any options? I haven't bought a "big box" in a looongg time. Do any of the recent ones actually include options for the models? Or are they all monopose?

Depends. For many of them, its just new characters facing off with a couple stray (full) kits each (see Shadowthrone).

For something like Shadowspear (which seems the more likely comparison) its monopose all the way, to the point that Chaos marines aren't particularly compatible with the generic kit (beyond heads and some shoulderpads), and whichever Primaris troops unit doesn't have the alternate unit build and the Eliminators don't have their weapon options. And the flying guys, daemon engine, oblits and greater possessed never even got real kits.

So yeah, if this is all new stuff facing off, expect monopose. And for the content to become the new 'combat patrols' at some point.
It'll be interesting to see which units get the short straw and become exclusive to the box set and/or combat patrols.

The big difference between Shadowspear and something like this is that marines are almost guaranteed to sell well enough to justify the bespoke combined sprues. I fully expect any xenos boxed set (aside from new edition starter sets) to be separate kits like the Ork army box & combat patrol, all with stand-alone releases at a later date.

That seems weird, given how monopose the ork army box was and ork combat patrol is.

How many bitz & wargear options they get will most likely depend on how much spare space in the left on the sprues.

Nope. Options depend on what the model designers _put_ on the sprues, which the rules folks then write up.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Scorpion.

Eldar chainsword, no arguments. But corsair a/o storm guardians/kill team could also be an option.

Looks like we are not 100% in chaos land.

Non-Scorpion chainswords lack the flared tip?

They could be changing the aesthetic to match across the board though if it was Storm Guardians or Corsairs.

Between 40k and AoS rumours it looks like a fair few armies are getting the 5th ed Dark Eldar Glow Up revamp treatment - Eldar, CSM (and Seraphon and Skaven in AoS) which is good as those ranges have some of the oldest models floating about still.

Wait, are you saying there are rumours about an upcoming Skaven release?

 Kanluwen wrote:

Spoiler:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Ok, assuming these are previews for stuff coming in a "CSM vs Eldar" box, how likely is it that any of the units will have any options? I haven't bought a "big box" in a looongg time. Do any of the recent ones actually include options for the models? Or are they all monopose?

It entirely depends upon several things:
-If the box is intended to be like Shadowspear? No, it won't have all of the options for the models. There might be some options but not all.
-What you define monopose as.


The currently rumored "CSM v Eldar box" is 2 new Eldar kits(Rangers and Rangers on jetbikes) with an old kit(Farseer) vs a new plastic Warpsmith, new plastic Chosen, and the currently available Forge/Mauler-fiend kit.

There's also rumors of Aeldari getting a launch box, a KT box, all kinds of craziness.

In this case, I'd define monopose as: a distinct sprue with odd cuts that prevent easy kitbashing with the existing CSM PA kits. As long as the shoulder, head, and pauldron joins are the same, it's fine, in that sense. I'd like for both the Chosen and Possessed kits to be fully compatible with the CSM, Havocs, and Raptor/Warp Talons kits. And I'll gladly wait for a separate release if that's what I have to do in order to get that and as many options as possible. Just like I did with the new CSM.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I mean, all of the equipment, and even the helmet line up, don't they?

No, that miniature came with the power sword, chainsword was reserved for alternative sculpt that came with fusion gun/mandiblaster/warp spider jump pack. Certainly it'd be easy to modify, but that was true in the past as well, they could easily just include more alternative arms for a single sculpt. Extreme laziness, if it does happen.

Voss wrote:

That seems weird, given how monopose the ork army box was and ork combat patrol is.

I didn't say anything about "monopose"? You made a comparison to Shadowspear, and my point was that xenos models are more likely to be separate kits rather than a single combined sprue like Shadowspear was.

Distinct kits does make it a bit more likely that the units will have alternative wargear options. For regular Rangers I can't see them having a wide range of options as there's little precedent - they haven't been able to swap their main weapon since 2E. The bikes or Autarch could get different options though.

Voss wrote:

How many bitz & wargear options they get will most likely depend on how much spare space in the left on the sprues.

Nope. Options depend on what the model designers _put_ on the sprues, which the rules folks then write up.

And the options that get _put_ on the sprues depend on how efficiently that space can be used. Model design is a separate process from sprue layout & mold design, and not the same people doing it. They do make tweaks or cut options where needed to get all the components to fit in space available.

A great example of that was the Adeptus Titanicus knights. They were originally designed with more weapon options, but some were moved to a separate sprue release because they didn't simply fit in the original kit.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Ok, so this doesn't fit with the recent chaos and eldar rumors, but we did get what appears to be Idoneth blades a few rumor engines back.
What if it belongs to whoever Gotrek is fighting on the cover?

Spoiler:

The swords look pretty close, plus she looks very unique for a deepkin. Not sure if they're all bald, but that's the first pale deepkin that I've seen actually have eyes. I wouldn't be surprised if they released her as some promo character for the book, though you would think they'd have revealed her the other day.

Good catch! AFAIK they're all bald but both the headgear and the two blades on her back are different from what the Namarti Thralls get, and yeah, also eyes, so not Namarti. Possible next Fishelves wave to flesh them out with more units + heroes like the Lumineth would make sense by now, their Battletome is still 1st ed, isn't it?

Warpsmith?

Nippy nippy nip nip!

Yeah. Warpsmith, potentially a new Demon Engine/redone Defiler with tentacles which don’t suck.

That's definitely a Ranger

Yeah, the new Warpsmith, no questions asked.

Looks Slaaneshi to me .

As I've been looking at many a mechadendrite since being back in the hobby that certainly looks like a naughty chaos version.

Them be warpsmith, aye?

Have any of you been tracking the changes to the background/picture frame?

Not that it means anything, but the chainsword is with the chaos background, not the Eldar one.

The old Warpsmith's mechandrite, for comprasion.

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Have any of you been tracking the changes to the background/picture frame?

Not that it means anything, but the chainsword is with the chaos background, not the Eldar one.

Which Is why I really think Arhra will make an appearance finally, leading Chaos striking Scorpions. The Scratching at the door sounds like they are coming through the webway.

 Theophony wrote:

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Have any of you been tracking the changes to the background/picture frame?

Not that it means anything, but the chainsword is with the chaos background, not the Eldar one.

Which Is why I really think Arhra will make an appearance finally, leading Chaos striking Scorpions. The Scratching at the door sounds like they are coming through the webway.

I wouldn't read anything into that.

The "corruption" started on day 11, with what look like the Chosen Lightning Claws. We'll have to wait for the next Aeldari bit--if the corruption is gone for it then we could read into it.

Squig for sure.