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I have started 40k when I was in the 8th grade.. and have never touched it ever since. I am now 1 year into college, and stumbled across my chaos marine, khorne army. Now I must say I am a huge NOOB, and barely know anything about the game. I have been reading some posts, and I've seen a lot of bashing on Khorne armies, and this dissapoints me. This is all I have, and I'm hoping to finally start playing with the army I purchased years ago!

Kharn the Betrayer x1

Land Raiderx1

Khorne Berzerkers x10 (and i have one that is not painted..so 11) ( I don't think any have plasma pistols..and I can't even tell if I have an apsiring champion /w upgrades )

I am looking to start playing 40k again, but I don't know much of the game..and want to start having fun. I am a competitve person, and I like to win (lol, who doesn't?)!

I was wondering if I can get some upgrades/tips on my army.

Thank you for reading!


Please note: If there is a way I can move around from being Khorne I don't mind.. I like the looks of sorcerers (lol, not sure if khorne can use them).
And I don't mind getting rid of Kharn the Betrayer..

I'm guessing no one atm wants to waste their time explaining a huge amount of rules and tactics to a noob.

I'll just be patient, but I must say I am really interested in 40k.. I just need to do some more research!

Don't play Khorne unless you like being everybody's whipping boy/scratching post.

Khorne was horrible before, when they weren't nerfed to sh!t.

Now, they are nerfed and they are absolute rubbish.

To stelek: I've seen you bash on Khorne a lot, and you seem very experienced.. Any suggestions... Can I make my chaos army another faction? If so, what would help me on the playing fields... I have 10 Khorne Berzerkers, Land raider, and Kharne (Which I don't mind throwing out of the scene to start a new Chaos army).

I suggest buying a copy of the core rules and the Chaos Space Marine codex and studying them. Knowing the rules is more than half the game.

Khorne isn't like playing 40k.

It's, you move, hope you hid well enough, and get shot to death as you walk across the battlefield.

You can stick 15 zerkers in a land raider, and do it twice or three times...and in 40k land, you have a very poor chance of landing your men into close combat. Which is the only place they are any good.

40k is all about balance. Khorne might be CC goodness, but if you compare them within the army list...they aren't GREAT. Given their slow movement and basic marine stats (meaning, T4 and 3+ save) they can't do much on their own.

So if you base an army around them, then the army...can't do much. It's a self-defeating cycle, the more you add the worse it gets...

You can keep Kharne as a HQ, or a champ for the berzerkers, and run just one unit. The land raider is questionable, maybe two and make them possessed.

You need a way to force people to come to you. That means DP's or sorcs with lash. Alternatively, you can load up on lots of shooting units and force enemies to concentrate their fire on your gunline. Then your very slow zerkers might get somewhere.

Honestly I've seen medium shooty armies just blow zerker armies apart in a few turns while the khorne army just moved forward slowly.

If you really want to keep the zerkers, buy a SM jump pack kit (comes with 10), make the packs more chaos looking, call them raptors, and give them the mark of khorne. You'd need more than 1 unit to get into CC reliably, but it is possible. You'll take alot of casaulties since you are still T4 3+ save, but hopefully you'll hit hard enough to do damage.

My best recommendation is to park the berserkers until next edition of chaos, when they'll be powerful again.

Till then, get a different kind of chaos army. It does not have to be expensive, either. 50$ a week for 2 months will get you a very large and flexible chaos army.

This is starting to bring me down, now my army is nerfed..and rules keep changing (I barely understood the 3rd edition or wichever codex came with my space marine/elder game set.

This hobby is somewhat expensive: Paying for models, glue, paint, and brushes... But, the thing that brings me down the most is the fact that my army sucks, because it's based on CC.

Not to mention it takes a long time to paint models :(

I'm starting to question the fact that I am going to be happy playing with my Khorne army.

EDIT: Forget the money, and forget the time.. I really can stay dedicated to this hobby, but obviously I don't know much about to keep me sucked in. I guess my main concern is...that I bought an army that looked good, and didn't do any research on them. So I have 10zerkers, a land raider, and kharne.. I guess, I should take steleks advice into consideration and wait things out.

Better to know the truth now than have a complete army all painted up and have to sell it for pennies on the dollar via fee-bay.

Stelek wrote:Better to know the truth now than have a complete army all painted up and have to sell it for pennies on the dollar via fee-bay.

My army is already painted... I just want to put them to use.

xquisit: My other piece of advice is that when you are in doubt, ignore Stelek. He gives bad advice. Play with your army, learn its ins and outs, learn to play with it, and you can't go wrong.

Since you have a Land Raider and a squad of Berzerkers, I'd suggest buying some Chaos Space Marines (Troops and Havocs) to give them some support. Give them Berzerker heads and you'll get a nice visual theme. It might be something, if you have the cash (look at www.theWarstore.com for cheap deals on models) to fill out the force with some tanks as well. Perhaps another two Land Raiders, or a Land Raider and a Vindicator to provide heavy back-up and/or transport for your Berzerkers.

Having some Chosen with an Icon of Khorne would give you some stuff to stick forward and occupy the enemy while the Berzerkers grind up in their Land Raider(s). They'd also be a nice teleport homer for some summoned Daemons and/or Terminators. Chaos Terminators with the Banner of Khorne would hit pretty hard.

Or you could go for some Raptors or Bikes to provide those fast-moving Deep Strike magnets.

Basically there's all sorts of cool, fun, and effective places you can go with a Khorne-themed army and you have a good core to start with. Don't let Stelek discourage you.

Nurglitch wrote:xquisit: My other piece of advice is that when you are in doubt, ignore Stelek. He gives bad advice. Play with your army, learn its ins and outs, learn to play with it, and you can't go wrong.

I don't agree with the Stelek giving bad advice part... but I do agree that you should stick with your army and just learn how to make it work.

I've stuck with the Dark Eldar for 3 years now. I haven't one a single game. However, I'm improving. I was kicking Space Marine and Imperial Guard ass last weekend, until my team mate had to leave!

But yeah, stick with what you have, especially if it's all painted and such.

Stelek gives plenty of bad advice. Case in point: earlier in this thread he seems to think that you can fit 15 Berzerkers in a Land Raider.

I'm thankful to have some responses.. I need motivation and help to keep me interested in this hobby.

So I have Kharn the Betrayer (He's an HQ?).. so I can't have a DP? Is there anyway to work around this or can I have 2 HQs (I will be playing at GW)?

I have 10 zerkers, 1 is an aspiring champion.. all members of this troop have a melee weapon (chainsaw looking thing, wow that sounds noobish ) and a bolt pistol (guess I wasn't given plasma pistols in my box).

I have a Land Raider.. (but how do I make it possessed?)

You can have two HQs. So Kharn and a Daemon Prince is fine, if you have the points. I strongly recommend you study the rules and the Chaos Space Marine codex before you bring your stuff down to the local GW for pick-up gaming.

In the army list given in Codex: Chaos Space Marines each unit entry has a number of optional upgrades. The Land Raider entry will tell you how many points that the Daemonic Possession upgrade is. The vehicle armoury on P.87 will tell you how Daemon Possession works.

I wouldnt stop playing. You can still have fun with the army you have and you will definatly learn alot. My first 40 or so games of 40k were crushing defeats for me but I learned alot. If I were you, I would listen to what Nurglitch has been saying. Get the new Codex and read it through to try and get an understanding of your options. Buy what you think might work and just go play with it. Yeah, you will probably lose alot at first, but it will make you a better player and make all future games much more fun by comparison.

I guess you missed the point of tongue-in-cheek, nurglitch.

Even 15 zerkers in a land raider won't do anything. How about 20? 25? Still crap. Thanks for playing along.

Don't go to GW stores for pickup games. Try a FLGS instead.

You should buy the rules for your army (and the game, if you don't have them yet).

Sorry, I didn't see any tongue in cheek in that post. Was it hidden behind the stupid?

I have the codex and rule book. I have both chaos marine codexes, and an old rule book. So what tactics can I use to make this army useful? And I will be playing in GW, unless I go to a wizard shop (I think that's what its's called and it's 30minutes away).


So my Kberzerkers have no plasma pistols...
I'm not sure how to make my LR possessed.. and what benefits do I get out of it...

You know what.. I barely see anyone making khorne armies in this section of the forum.. that must be a sign....

I'm starting to lose faith once again.. unless someone can direct me in the path to what models/army to buy.

I really do appreciate the fact that there are some experienced members on this forum. In addition, the ones that are taking time out of their lives to help out someone curious about this tabletop hobby.

Play in the store you feel comfortable in. Better yet, find a local game club that plays 40k, or invest in a couple of small 500 point armies so you can get your friends hooked.

The best thing you can do if you're starting is learn the rules. The second best thing you can do if you're starting is have the courage to make your own mistakes, rather than just doing what people on forums tell you to do (that goes twice for this very advice!). This game is supposed to be fun. Take what you like, learn from your mistakes, and have fun. You don't need people to tell you what to buy: you have the resources to make that decision for yourself.

If you're so competitive that losing games when you start turns you off the game, you're in the wrong hobby. If you're worried about what self-proclaimed experts on forums (like Stelek) think, then you're probably in the wrong hobby.

If you have the Codex, you know how to give your Land Raiders the Daemonic Possession upgrade. It's right there in your Codex on page 101, the Land Raider army list entry. The benefits, and drawbacks besides pure cost, are listed on page 87.

I have an army of Marines that I either use as Blood Angels Marines, or as Khorne-oriented Chaos Marines. I've posted the original list (it's changed a bit as the army's grown) in this very forum. Since my goal with this army was inter-codex compatibility it doesn't use all of the bells and whistles that can be put into a Chaos army (though it does use some - those stay at home when the army is fielded as Blood Angels). But it's mine and I like learning how it works.

I'm thinking theirs a new codex now.. My oldest chaos marine codex ends at page 80 and my newest Chaos Marine codex ends at page 48. So, I am missing out indeed.



And what about daemons? So I'm going to purchase DP.. I heard there are new bloodletters coming out soon, is this true?

Yeah, there's a new codex you don't have then. There are new plastic Bloodletters coming out, but since they'll be Bloodletters in the new Codex: Daemons (or whatever it's called) you might want something else to represent the more generic Summoned Lesser Daemons that the Chaos Space Marines get.

I've been proxying mine with my Chaos Blood Bowl team for a while now, but I've been thinking of Skeletons painted red to represent the lesser summoned daemons of Khorne.

They are coming out for Codex Demons, which isn't really compatible with the models you have now.

Go find the newest codex and read it.

The reason you should play at FLGS is GW stores are often as not very unfriendly. FLGS are usually friendly or they go out of business.

Anyway I'll see what I can create for you.

Have you read the Chaos Tactica I posted in the articles forum?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Chaos_Space_Marines_Tactica

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Nurglitch, classy as ever.

About as good as I can make it. Hope it helps ya.

1500 Pts - Chaos Marines Roster

1 Chaos Sorceror @ 145 Pts
Bolt Pistol (x1); Force Weapon (x1); Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Jump Pack; Lash of Submission; Mark of Slaanesh

1 Kharn the Betrayer @ 165 Pts
Gorechild; Plasma Pistol; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Blessing of the Blood God; Fearless; Furious Charge; The Betrayer; Personal Icon; Mark of Khorne

9 Khorne Berzerkers @ 240 Pts
Bolt Pistol; Close Combat Weapon; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Fearless; Furious Charge; Mark of Khorne
1 Skull Champion @ [51] Pts
Bolt Pistol; Power Weapon; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Fearless; Furious Charge; Mark of Khorne

6 Noise Marines @ 150 Pts
Bolt Pistol; Close Combat Weapon; Sonic Blaster (x6); Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Fearless; Mark of Slaanesh

2 Obliterators @ 150 Pts
Power Fist; Obliterator Weapons; Fearless; Slow and Purposeful

2 Obliterators @ 150 Pts
Power Fist; Obliterator Weapons; Fearless; Slow and Purposeful

1 Land Raider @ 245 Pts
Twin Linked Heavy Bolter; Twin Linked Lascannon Sponson (x2); Twin Linked Bolter; Daemonic Possession; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers

8 Thousand Sons @ 254 Pts
Bolter; Fearless; Slow and Purposeful; Inferno Bolts; Mark of Tzeentch
1 Aspiring Sorceror @ [70] Pts
Bolt Pistol; Force Weapon; Fearless; Doombolt; Inferno Bolts; Mark of Tzeentch

Total Roster Cost: 1499

Wow, I really appreciate it.

Can I mix up my army with those marks at GW?

In addition... I was planning on buying these in an auction starting at 25$.. and no1 has bid on them yet.


(16) Khorne Berzerkers
(4) Jugernauts
(11) Chaos Hounds
(4) Bloodletters
(1) Demon Prince
(1) Bloodthirster
(4) Rhinos (2 still in box)
(1) Defiler
(1) Chaos Codex

xquisit wrote:Wow, I really appreciate it.

Can I mix up my army with those marks at GW?

yeah, you can do whatever you want.

in response to Stelek, that's the same as my chaos army, only instead of a land raider I take a squad of 20 berzerkers and instead of Kharne I take a lord w/ LC on a Jugger. I also give the Sorceror some more wargear (familiar, warptime and steed) and have CSM instead of TS. I take the six noise marines and are partial to I5 Termies too.

the 20 Berzerkers are fearless, they are not going to run. So your opponent needs to wipe them out TO THE LAST MAN. The lash is just pure win.

one advantage it has is despite the high priced models there are no tanks, it is all MEQ. So no easy VP for your opponent.

in response to the original topic, Berzerkers aren't that bad. They are only 21 points. They are fearless, they have furious charge and are quality close combat troops. They don't really need a champ but are a sure thing when you take one. If nothing else you can always use those 10 berzerkers you have as two squads of 5 each and build an army around them. They are fearless! Fearless is good, especially for close combat. They will always be useful by the end of the game. If they get shot, they get shot. At least they were only 21 points and didn't run away.

And now I'm back in the game thanks to a couple members!

what do you guys think about this auction?

(16) Khorne Berzerkers
(4) Jugernauts
(11) Chaos Hounds
(4) Bloodletters
(1) Demon Prince
(1) Bloodthirster
(4) Rhinos (2 still in box)
(1) Defiler
(1) Chaos Codex


for $25 and $10 shipping

Another thing to remember is that space permitting and opponents willing you can create terrain pieces that are more suited to the Berzerkers.

My brother plays Catachan Jungle fighters and I usually play Orks. The table is packed with jungle terrain and ruins so we end up playing battles with fewer tanks or long range weapons. Khorne berzerkers would be pretty good on those sorts of battlefields or in city fights. My friends and I even play jungle battles without the Jungle fighters (eldar vs Orks for example) and you get to see different units get played with better effect (Burna boys are great in the woods!)

Don't get too caught up with all you read on the forums. A lot of the info seems to be geared towards tourney play (local all the way up to GT) with extremely savvy players. Mostly "All comers" lists that are meant to be fine tuned.

There are lots of good auction sites, with lots of good deals.

Anything gives you decent shape figs for more than 20% below cost, is usually good.

Best thing you can do with 'zerkers? Scrounge up some jump packs and turn them into Raptors. No lie.

I am kind of shocked that no one has bothered to point out to the OP that he can use all the models he currently has without going for a full-on (i.e. shitely) Khornate army. You can mix and match cult troops etc. however you like. Want some Plague Marines? Sure. Want a Sorceror to go with Kharn? Help yourself.

So no, I would not bid on that auction if you're doing so simply because it is Khornate. There will be other good deals, and not all of them will saddle you with 16 more Berzerkers when you already have more than enough.