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In all honesty, if you can win that auction for under $50 I'd go for it just based on how damned cheap it is compared to its RRP.

Class, Stelek? I take it that's what you were showing when you scored 18 for sportsmanship at the 2007 Vegas GT. That was what, the very lowest at that tournament? And by about four points? You wouldn't know class if it bit you.

tegeus-Cromis: Well, when someone asks for help with a Khorne army, one might reasonably assume they want a Khorne-themed army.

Please note: If there is a way I can move around from being Khorne I don't mind.. I like the looks of sorcerers (lol, not sure if khorne can use them).
And I don't mind getting rid of Kharn the Betrayer...

I'm just a noob.. I take it back now that I found out I can have a mixed cult army. I want to apologize for my misunderstanding of this tabletop game. I read the rules last night until my eyes closed, and woke up with a codex in my bed... Talk about dedication!

Now.. what do you guys think about the army list Stelek made? What armies will defeat me, and what armies will I beat with the TheoryHammer going around?

Quit the sniping, Nurglitch.

What about terminators, do I forget them for this 1500pt army list Stelek has provided?

I figured I might as well buy parts of my army from ebay, because I see the prices at GW overpriced IMHO.



I'm not sure how much DP goes for at GW but I found a deal I can get these for $50.



The force includes an unopened demon prince(1 model total), 2 unopened tactical units(16 models total), one opened but untouched khorn berserkers unit(12 models total), 1 metal chaos lord opened but untouched, 1 metal chaos terminator lord opened but untouched, and last of all an opened, painted, and partially assembled tactical squad( 8 models total).

I think by tactical units, he means Chaos Space Marines.

Chaos Sorceror @ 145 Pts
Bolt Pistol (x1); Force Weapon (x1); Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Jump Pack; Lash of Submission; Mark of Slaanesh

1 Kharn the Betrayer @ 165 Pts
Gorechild; Plasma Pistol; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Blessing of the Blood God; Fearless; Furious Charge; The Betrayer; Personal Icon; Mark of Khorne

9 Khorne Berzerkers @ 240 Pts
Bolt Pistol; Close Combat Weapon; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Fearless; Furious Charge; Mark of Khorne
1 Skull Champion @ [51] Pts
Bolt Pistol; Power Weapon; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Fearless; Furious Charge; Mark of Khorne

6 Noise Marines @ 150 Pts
Bolt Pistol; Close Combat Weapon; Sonic Blaster (x6); Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Fearless; Mark of Slaanesh

2 Obliterators @ 150 Pts
Power Fist; Obliterator Weapons; Fearless; Slow and Purposeful

2 Obliterators @ 150 Pts
Power Fist; Obliterator Weapons; Fearless; Slow and Purposeful

1 Land Raider @ 245 Pts
Twin Linked Heavy Bolter; Twin Linked Lascannon Sponson (x2); Twin Linked Bolter; Daemonic Possession; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers

8 Thousand Sons @ 254 Pts
Bolter; Fearless; Slow and Purposeful; Inferno Bolts; Mark of Tzeentch
1 Aspiring Sorceror @ [70] Pts
Bolt Pistol; Force Weapon; Fearless; Doombolt; Inferno Bolts; Mark of Tzeentch

Total Roster Cost: 1499



^ that list above was created by Stelek for me.. now why would I use noise marines and the thousands sons? I want my army to do well in general, but I do not know much about my opponents (I see 40k as a game of chess).

I have no idea what those 2 troops(noise/thousand sons) would be good for, can someone elaborate for me their purposes in battle?

If you were to remove those troops, what to replace them with?

How are my zerkers and Kharne going to safely get across the battlefield?

Are the 4 oblits good enough for anti-tank support?

If so do I need fast attacks to keep the enemy occupied as my main CC unit reaches them?


What good does the sorc do for my army?
What magical traits should it use to help my army do well against shooting armies?

Would a DP be more tactical for my Chaos army, or stick with the sorc?


I appreciate the help, and hope to start playing soon!

Ravvage to the rescue!!!

Aplogies my friend, I have been off on spring break and missed your post!

I play chaos and I happen to run alot of khorne....and win!

What I would suggest to you is to forget the Daemon prince, a Sorceror will do just about the same stuff you need it to do (lash being the main one) and be shot alot less.

Kharn is pretty cool, and if you want to take him, more power to you.

Personally I dont anymore, but it just might be because I use him to much.

Now Terminators are nice, I nearly always run a 10 man Tzeentch squad, and have them start on the board. not only do they divert shots originally intended for my beserkers But they also have a tendency to stick around all game and do massive amounts of damage with there autocannons, combi bolters, and psychic powers( i run a foot slogging sorceror with the unit)

Also, look into possessed, 5 man squad with no mark is cheap, and they will either absorb more fire, or get into your enemies lines and cause havoc.

Sometimes I take havocs, somtimes I dont, I like taking them. They do there job.

Rhinos are your friend, if you have the points, put your Zerkers in them. And hell if you have the points, give some of your regular csm squads them and dont put them in them. Decoy rhinos!

Land raiders are to pricey, I dont like them

Defilers cause havoc. Good stuff

Raptors....eh dont have any

A predator wouldnt be horrible. I run one or two on ocasion. Though for heavy support I prefer havocs.

Noise marines and thousand sons I dont use, I might get some of the latter here soon but Ive won without.

Well thats about all I can think of, I wish you luck and dont let these guys get you down. Anything can work!

If i think of anything else I'll let ya know!

-Ravvage

Thanks Ravvage, I needed an experienced player with chaos to finish off my final decisions on my army!

xquisit, if price is hanging you: www.thewarstore.com

20% retail prices.

Anymore questions that i didnt cover?

Well, I would hate to put my Land Raider, Zerkers (10of them but the leader doens't have a PW), and Kharne

Those 3 are definates in my army

How many termies do you suggest? If so the mark you suggested, how does it come in handy? What weapons to have on my termies?

I am definately going to have a sorc as one of my HQ. What powers should he have. When do they best come into use, when in battle?

(At this point I have to apologize for such noob questions, hehe)

I have an ultramarine rhino, I am going to convert to chaos (to save money).. tactic wise should I have all 10 zerks in it, or use rhino as cover?

What do you think about 4 obliterators (or are these what you call defilers?)


Wow, sorry for all those questions..but I really need them cleared up.

Oooh, EDIT: I forgot to mention..what do you think about Emperors children?

The reason you use noise marines is the S4 heavy bolter they each carry, the higher base initiative really helps, and after shooting on the move they still get all of their CC attacks. They also have a small S8 AP3 blast that hurts vehicles and packed marines fairly well.

The reason you use thousand sons is the S4 Ap3 rocket launcher each carries, which drops marines nicely, and the fact they have a 4+ invulnerable save means they can take alot of heavy weapons fire without losing too many guys. They also have a sorceror with a S8 melta shot that's also pretty decent at taking out vehicles.

That's why. You'll have to believe me when I say Khorne is relatively powerless by itself. There are others who can convince you, if you just ask. I don't have a army in my possession that'll lose to a khorne army. It's really that bad.

I realize now that it was noobish to want a full Khorne army... but now that I have the power to mix up my army. I really want to keep the zerkers and see what they can do in CC with the Betrayer taking another group in CC.

I saw some guy that has 3 predators, while I have a LR for similar points.. This dissapoints me somewhat. I'm just wondering how to get my zerkers to enemy lines along with Kharne the Betrayer.

So I will most definately have 3-4 oblits.

So hopefully I can fit in the 2 troops of thousand sons and noise marines.


And still any ideas if I should replace a squad with termies? I remember back in the 8th grade.. my ultramarine termies were there till the end of the game.

And with my sorc, what powers will he need. Why is everyone saying Lash is godly? I still don't know what it does.


EDIT: deleted sentence due to noob talk

Ugh don't mention torrents. We all know about them. It's bad form to mention it.

Buy the codex....

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Termies don't do so good these days.

So stelek, tactical wise can you tell me how the HQ sorc comes in handy? Especially with spells you provided.

The sorc hide inside units, and pull enemies towards them.

The DP doesn't hide, and pulls enemies towards them.

Then the zerkers charge.

If it all goes well, anyway.

Or if it doesn't go well they'll eat a lot of bolter-or-better fire and be torn apart.

Against my friend when he gets close enough to pull that nasty trick I make him eat 66 bolter-equivalent shots. With guide and doom...

That's roughly 30 saves he has to make. That unit will not be happy.

I'm really confused... Someone help me rearrange my my list to be compatable to compete with other armies and have a chance to win. I'm heading towards a DP instead of sorc, because they both can have the lash ability.

Now I'm definate on Kharne, LR, and 9-10 zerkers (no powerfist..but in GW even though my model does not have it equipped.. I can let my opponent know that I am using it as long as I add the points)

So the plan is to get Kharne and 9 zerkers (including aspiring) in the LR to head to the enemy lines.

I'm thinking about 3-4 oblit, not sure on what weapons they should have..probobly las-cans. (Wow, I'm a noob! At least I read the rulebook last night..all of it..and both my codexes.. keep in mind none are the newest edition)

So Keeping the thousand sons and noise marines, yes or no?

No termis?

Am I low on troop count, should I fluf it up? I know I'm not an ork race with a huge amount of troops.. but won't this make having less people.. easier on the enemy to target...and slowly hunt me down?

How will my DP get summoned into the game? I'm not sure if rules have changed.

You don't need to equip the Oblits with weapons. They have access to all of those listed, and can choose which to use every turn.

You don't summon the DP. Treat him as you would a normal unit.

If you don't have the newest rulebook and Chaos 'dex, it doesn't matter how many times you read the old ones, does it? You will not get any closer to understanding. First things first, get a rulebook (actually, borrow one instead of spending the money, since a new version is coming out soon) and a codex (this one is already new, so buy it). How are you going to understand the advice you're getting otherwise? We could be feeding you total nonsense for all you know.

So true..so true! I think I should wait for 5th edition to wait to buy, correct?

And most definately.. I will need the new chaos codex!

I guess asking for help with an army list is pointless correct? Since new rules will be out.. meaning changes might occur in most peoples' lists.

You should borrow the current rules. 5th comes out in a few months. Buy those.

Your army list won't change much. Your berserkers will be *slightly* better in 5th than they are now.

5th is coming out at the end of May, isn't it?

So if they are getting better.. I can buy a brand new list of zerkers for cheap of free-bay.. Or is that overkill for my list. I'm scared of getting gunned down. this is 40k, I'm pretty sure there are a crap load of shooting based armies out there. Unless, I can use a rhino.

Even with a rhino, if you use a zerker based army...expect to get shot down. You need to use the zerkers as bait, or as a shock unit. You can't win with them alone, but if you have alot of threats they might get ignored long enough to get there. Alternatively, you might have them get shot apart (like by IG and Tau) and you can shoot with the rest of your army--and the NM and TS will still do a good job of taking objectives because they can move and fire.

Aldair wrote:5th is coming out at the end of May, isn't it?

More like August.

Hmm, so since I have a group of CC which is 20% of my army (Zerkers +kharne + DP).. am I going to assume that 90% of the time I will lose to IG and Tau (since they are based on shooting)?

Why not rush zerkers forward with a personal icon and deepstrike terminators with 100% accuracy on the turn you'll be able to charge.

Termies get in and are unable to be shot at (theoretically).

Not necessarily lose, but it will be difficult to get them into combat.

Terminators should, as a general rule, deploy on the table if they are a shooting unit.