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**newbis**

I didn't see this posted so I figured I'd go ahead and stick it up. These are from a dude on warseer that says he's read the actual book.

Having read the book, ive got to say i love the book.

SPOILERS !!! (dont read unless you want to know the rules )

First of all theres an odd rule where if you shoot through an interveneing unit, the unit behind gets a 4+ cover save. But the unit that is intervening is not hit by the saved shots...

However, in a practice game, a funny situation came up. Since its a cover save, it is ignored by template weapons, so when some flamers used the 4+ glance breath of chaos, i didnt get my save :_(

Skimmers are not nerfed at all!!! at cruising speed they get a 4+ cover save!! so half of your hits are negated.

My leman russes suffer, since ordenance weapons scatter 2D6 always now, and minus my BS of 3. But no partials so i cant complain.

Transports can now transport any unit, not just the unit they were bought for. All the requirement is is that you have to set up the transport with its dedicated unit, containing them or none. But from turn 1 onwards you can have Kroot riding round in devilfish, etc.

Vehicle squadrons: another reason not to have them. If one of your vehicles is immobilised, the result is changed to vehicle wrecked, since the other members of the squad know that it is worthless and abandon it.

Force weapons do indeed cause instant death, so daemons, nids etc are immune to the instant kill. Still hurts them with its power weapon effect.

Scouts and infiltrators are AWESOME. You can choose not to deploy them normally, as in they can still get a free move or set up as infiltrators as they do in 4th edition. Instead, you place them in reserve. When they arrive, they come on from the short board edges!! IE the sides!!! on a roll of a 1-2, the left side, 3-4 right side, 5-6 you choose. !!!! And the board edge is all the way along, so you can come on in the opponents deployment zone, turn 2.
Ravenwing FTW, genestealer scuttling army ftw.

Wound allocation is a bit slowed. In my test game against dark angels, 5 terminators were wounded 11 times by Breath of chaos, so i was taking 5+ invun. from some Flamers of tzeench. So each member of the squad had 2 wounds, and 3 on one of the basic powerfist guys. The squad was 5 men strong, consisting of 2 powerfist guys, 1 chainfist, 2 lightning claw guys.

When saves are rolled, you roll each group of armed the same together. Ie the 4 saves on the two lightning claw guys, which i failed 2 of. Now i didnt read this part in the book, but my opponent did. But apparently you take 2 wounds, even though i then rolled on the chainfist and failed twice, only he died. So had i rolled the two lightning claw guys seperately, there was a chance only 1 would have died.

I also saw the pictures in the book, and the PLASTIC DROP POD!!! it looks amazing. It has hinged doors, and inside each of the 5 compartments is 2 rollercoaster style restrains, as in nemesis rollercoaster, not a lap bar.

This model looks great. Also were the plastic clip together dreadnought from the battleforce, which looks great. It has a plastic multimelta option! HUZZAH!

5th edition will rock!

**Alpharius**

So, are multimeltas going to be worth taking in 5th edition then?

**JohnHwangDD**

Not as part of a Landspeeder squadron...

**GrimTeef**

"Vehicle squadrons: another reason not to have them. If one of your vehicles is immobilised, the result is changed to vehicle wrecked, since the other members of the squad know that it is worthless and abandon it. "

What the hell is this crap? If this is the case, what's the point of Killa Kans or Buggies taking Grot Riggers? Once the Kan gets immobilized, it's automatically wrecked? That can't be right at all.

**Alpharius**

It probably isn't...

**Samwise158**

It's unfortunate that the rules summary was written by someone who can't describe things well. I was confused and didn't learn much.

**Nurglitch**

I think the immobilized thing is just that person misreading the usual rules about immobilized vehicles in squadrons: that the other vehicles are able to move out of coherency, but immobilized vehicles left behind count as destroyed.

**H.B.M.C.**

Did anyone else find this bit:

SPOILERS !!! (dont read unless you want to know the rules )

... as amusing as I did?

BYE

**Maxis Lithium**

I have to agree with the immobilized thing, but beyond that, I really think this all works out for the best. I note that vehicle movement and weapons was not mentioned. I'm not going to believe the 'S4 defensive weapons' rumor until I have the book in my hands (and even then, I'll have to read it several times before it sinks in.)

**migsula**

Happyness about the Drop Pods is making my morning

**Schepp himself**

Not 100% convinced by these rumors. As Maxis Lithium, I have to read some rules myself to actually believe them...

Greets
Schepp himself

**JohnHwangDD**

They're secondhand - take them with a grain of salt

**ShumaGorath**

I'm taking all these with a grain of salt large enough to eclipse the sun. It's a big grain.

**tegeus-Cromis**

Most of this is stuff we've heard before from trustworthy sources and which was present in some form or other in the early .pdf. That makes the account believable; on the other hand, the same facts mean it could easily be a plausible fake. Either way, I don't think it really tells us anything new.

**wash-away**

I heard that speeders are getting a bit of a downgrade in that their max movement is 18 instead of 24 (bikes too) and the save is a
+5 not +4 for boosting.

**Tacobake**

yeah speeders are going to get hurt by that, eh? bummer. They were pretty much perfect before.