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If you can duplicate the mech-dragon's claws, use a set to put scratches and scrapes in the column rubble. Just a little extra detail showing what happened before.

Also, if you haven't glued anything down yet, you ought to grout the floor. Dust or something , mixed with slow-setting adhesive of some sort? Or, heck, even just get a little portland cement and mix it into a paste with water, and actually grout the thing.

Give it that look of having dirt or dust between the stones, maybe be a bit messy with the cleanup so it looks like not much has swept them off for a long time...

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Viktor von Domm wrote:cheater...


In my age I have to "prioritize"

alabamaheretic wrote:looking good Klaus, again echoing sentiments, was unsure of the adventurer but she's looking great with the piece now that I seen her with it. that mechanical lizard is looking top notch too, still blown away by your skill man.

THANK YOU!

Anvildude wrote:If you can duplicate the mech-dragon's claws, use a set to put scratches and scrapes in the column rubble. Just a little extra detail showing what happened before.

Also, if you haven't glued anything down yet, you ought to grout the floor. Dust or something , mixed with slow-setting adhesive of some sort? Or, heck, even just get a little portland cement and mix it into a paste with water, and actually grout the thing.

Give it that look of having dirt or dust between the stones, maybe be a bit messy with the cleanup so it looks like not much has swept them off for a long time...

That's a great idea man!
I added some dirt to the ground - not too much. I think it now looks good together with the rest and everything primed.
Thanks

So, after some minor changes I primed everything black yesterday


Next I gave it a coat of very dark blue(removing some of the shine)


And then I started on my light sketch


This is mainly to give me a feeling of the scene and atmosphere - even though this time I may try a new technique.


After the initial lights I reworked some areas with black again


And this is as far as I got


I'm afraid the eyes and nostrils are too strong - what do you think?
As for the "coloring" I'm thinking about using glazes and transparent inks only...this way I would keep the lights as they are, color with transperent colors and then "re-color" some of the light areas depending of the actual lights color - is that making sense?
First I would add manual highlights - depending on the material soaft for the leaterh and cloth, strong and clear for the gold coins and metal.
Anyone ever tried something this way?
Thanks

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I'd love to see a semi-transparent wash done. Like old-school Tempura painting in the Renaissance. I had the idea to do that with a Warsphinx once, but I'm not entirely sure what happened to it.

I do think the eyes are a little bright- maybe having the light focused in the direction it's looking, like high-beams, instead of as a diffuse glow? Could allow you to create a focal point between all the lights- maybe do that one bit in full-color before doing the overglazes, even, to get it to pop and contrast with the dark parts more.

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The scene is developing wonderfully, Klaus!

I think your scheme of a combination of washes, semi-transparents and deliberate highlights is definitely the way to go.


I think your scene is designed to be viewed by the observer from a specific point of reference, which is over the adventuresses' shoulder (sp?). Given that, I think the far side eye and nostril is too bright and could perhaps use some diffusion as anvildude suggests. But the near side eye and nostril I think could stay as they are. In keeping with how you described how you might do your highlights, you might 'over-represent' bright shiny things in the path of the beam of light leading up to the dragon's face- this would explain the brighter retroreflection.

Or, I could just be mad, mad I tell you!

As always, I very much enjoy seeing the vision come to life.


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Thank you guys!
A short distraction from the Dragons Den

In preparation to the "PaintPals - Paint Weekend" I decided to give the GOTHICA another chance.
Many were rather unhappy with the final paint job - or rather the color setting I had chosen.
As I wasn't sure how far I would get with my "Dragons Den" till the weekend I looked at miniatures to paint.

I thought I could (hopefully) do better this time, I took the GOTHICA out of the display cabinet.


Since many recommended Isopropanol Alcohol best fro stripping paint, I gave her a thorough bath.
A horrible sight...


Unfortunately Isopropanol isn't as harmless as many said and while leaving the resin unfazed, I softened and partially destroyed the GreenStuff...


Many of you will remember, that much of the GOTHICA was GreenStuff...


Luckily I was able to fix everything before the PaintPal weekend.


Some new gems and new streamers


Since I didn't want to touch the freehand on the shield, I masked it before priming
After priming I added another spray of white to indicate the light situation I'm looking for


I think this light situation is better balanced, But still has some interesting views to offer



I arrived at the PaintPals Meeting location on Friday afternoon and we immediately began setting up. It was a nice group of 16 with plenty of space - I had a large table for myself - and after some friendly chit chat we began painting.
Since I really liked the leather look on the previous version I decided to go for a dark red leather armour again.


By now I'm really accustomed to my ScaleColor and the transitions went smooth and easy


Instead of the brownish cape I decided to use red this time


with relatively bright highlights.


Together with the shield it looks quite nice


Initially I planned blue gems as a contrast to the reds of the armour and cape


But after some feedback by Hansrainer, aka Apok, I recolored them in a dark green.
At the same time I started the face.


Vampiric is still the goal, so very pale skin to start with.


But shading almost white is really hard...


While the transitions were smooth and I avoided any "dirty" colors or a 5-o'clock shadow I was totally not pleased.


So on Sunday at noon - just before packing up - I decided to go for a totally different approach


Back home on Sunday afternoon I continued with her face.


Again the transition went rather well


With this dark skin the eyes really glow


Though the freehand on the shield is still displaying a very pale skinned vampire, I think this could work.


To get a bit of distance from the skin I played with the metal of her blade for a few hours


Last night had tropical temperatures and I couldn't sleep, so I spent half the night repainting her face again


Together with a first hair-job and the completed jewelry


I'm not 100% sure about the hair, but I do like the face now


So this is as far as got


What do you think?

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Jeez Klaus, so much to see here! I was okay with Gothica I, but really lik ewhat you've done with Gothica II as well. I get a lesson in color coordinating every time you do something- this time, amongst other tips, I want to try the white spray paint/air brush (I don't have an airbrush yet) technique to see where the highlights and shadows fall- that is positively ace!

Some thoughts generally:

* The red leather armor is perfect- the color denotes the vampiric aspect of the figure and leather is very earthy, very 'alive', which is a nice contrast again with the 'undead' figure
* The red cape with the brighter highlights is definitely the way to go- it really makes the figure pop, and will continue to do so no matter how you light it.
* The metal work on the armament is nothing short of astonishing for its realism
* RE: learning color coord- I thought the blue gems were absolutely right for the piece, until I saw the green. Definitely the green ones, much better with the reds in the armor and cloak
* I think the hair looks very good; even without the signature white streak, I'm put in mind of Elsa Lancaster's makeup in 'Bride of Frankenstein'

* I think the difference in skin tone between the figure and the icon on the shield is fine- shield work is going to be highly symbolic and stylized, not true to life realistic, and it looks very good as is


With apologies, I'm not sure about the skin tones. I think (for me) it very much depends on how you imagine the piece being illuminated. I think it is just right if the light comes from low front or low to mid- right (as you look at the figure)- is that sort of what you were aiming for (I'm gauging by the fall of paint from your test spray at the beginning). I'd like to see how you apply light to the piece.


Another terrific bit of work, Klaus- I'm really impressed with the changes (and sorry to see what happened to the greenstuff, but can't believe how much you repaired/replaced in so short a time); Gothica II is significantly different from Gothica I- she's her own person, despite the common origins.


Bravo, Maestro, bravo!

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Hrm... I wonder if you could cool off the skin tone a little more- right now, she's looking more African than Undead- maybe lighten it up just a tad more, as well- 2 or 3 f-stops, perhaps? It's just giving me much more of a 'healthy dark-skinned person' vibe than a 'living corpse' vibe. It's possible that attempting to add a tracery of visible veins or arteries might also help.

Actually, reading up on decomposition, maybe going for a Livor Mortis color (like a dark bruise) or even the classic green tinge (which is apparently caused during the 2nd stage of decomposition by the creation and accumulation of sulfhemoglobin, a non-functioning derivative of hemoglobin).

Just... Corpse stuff, you know?

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Anvildude wrote:Hrm... I wonder if you could cool off the skin tone a little more- right now, she's looking more African than Undead- maybe lighten it up just a tad more, as well- 2 or 3 f-stops, perhaps? It's just giving me much more of a 'healthy dark-skinned person' vibe than a 'living corpse' vibe. It's possible that attempting to add a tracery of visible veins or arteries might also help.

Actually, reading up on decomposition, maybe going for a Livor Mortis color (like a dark bruise) or even the classic green tinge (which is apparently caused during the 2nd stage of decomposition by the creation and accumulation of sulfhemoglobin, a non-functioning derivative of hemoglobin).

Just... Corpse stuff, you know?

Thank you Anvildude!
Yeah I'm not totally happy with the facial color either...though I'm reluctant to give it another go - yet.
It could be Dark-Elfish... naw, never mind
I will continue with the rest and then see if I really re-visit the face
Thanks!

Meer_Cat wrote:Jeez Klaus, so much to see here! I was okay with Gothica I, but really lik ewhat you've done with Gothica II as well. I get a lesson in color coordinating every time you do something- this time, amongst other tips, I want to try the white spray paint/air brush (I don't have an airbrush yet) technique to see where the highlights and shadows fall- that is positively ace!

Some thoughts generally:

* The red leather armor is perfect- the color denotes the vampiric aspect of the figure and leather is very earthy, very 'alive', which is a nice contrast again with the 'undead' figure
* The red cape with the brighter highlights is definitely the way to go- it really makes the figure pop, and will continue to do so no matter how you light it.
* The metal work on the armament is nothing short of astonishing for its realism
* RE: learning color coord- I thought the blue gems were absolutely right for the piece, until I saw the green. Definitely the green ones, much better with the reds in the armor and cloak
* I think the hair looks very good; even without the signature white streak, I'm put in mind of Elsa Lancaster's makeup in 'Bride of Frankenstein'

* I think the difference in skin tone between the figure and the icon on the shield is fine- shield work is going to be highly symbolic and stylized, not true to life realistic, and it looks very good as is


With apologies, I'm not sure about the skin tones. I think (for me) it very much depends on how you imagine the piece being illuminated. I think it is just right if the light comes from low front or low to mid- right (as you look at the figure)- is that sort of what you were aiming for (I'm gauging by the fall of paint from your test spray at the beginning). I'd like to see how you apply light to the piece.


Another terrific bit of work, Klaus- I'm really impressed with the changes (and sorry to see what happened to the greenstuff, but can't believe how much you repaired/replaced in so short a time); Gothica II is significantly different from Gothica I- she's her own person, despite the common origins.


Bravo, Maestro, bravo!

Thank you Mate!
Well, for the "light sketch" I didn't use an airbrush - I simply used a spray can.
First the black primer (spray can) and then in the direction of the intended light with a white spray paint - it's really easy and totally worth it
Thank you for the very positive comments - as said, I'm not 100% happy with the skin tones either...maybe I'll revisit the face...no promises though
Thanks Meer_Cat


Hi all,
last night was again tropical without much sleep.

I did spend some time on the hair.


And worked a bit more on the leather armour


The first 2 streamers are now red


I'm not quite sure if I should make them brighter or leave them in this intensity


Here she is with just the ambient room light - you can see the skin color has a slightly different temperature


I'm not quite sure what colors the other two streamers will get - maybe green to pick up the color of the gems? Or blue?
So, what do you think?
I look forward to your feedback and comments
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Well, I'm still not sure on how to continue with her skin color.
So I decided to do a quick color test - not on the GOTHICA

I quickly primed Allayah (http://fischers-design-shop.blogspot.com/2017/02/allayah-barduch-8.html) with a similar light situation


Well, and then I tried "dead Flesh"


Quick, dirty and not very careful - just to give the idea of how dead flesh could look…


Hmm…
So I tried the colors on the print out on paper


Puh...I don't know


What would you say?
Should I try and make her truly undead?


Or should I look for something different?

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Ooh... I kinda like that. Maybe mottle in a little more purple around the veins...

I think that it'd look better on the model, an here's why.


So Gothicka's meant to be a Vampire, and have ethereal, supernatural beauty, yes? But she's also meant to be a living corpse, and an icon of fear.

What is beautiful? Smooth, clear skin, regardless of color, tends to be considered beautiful. Corpses are generally distinguished by mottled colors and non-living textures, caused by stuff like skin-slippage and maggot colonies and bloat gasses.

So I feel like if you have the colors of death,on perfectly smooth, firm features, you'll get a good combination of both- leaving her both beautiful and horrible to look at.

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A work of art is never finished, eh?

I liked the original in all it's uniqueness. (just to put it out there)

The problem with the first pale attempt was (from the photos) that it lacked depth.

I think for a good "vampire pale", I would approach it as I would "normal" skin, but instead of red undertones, I'd use blue.
To go into more detail, my usual skin method is:
Dark brown (for shading recesses etc. I paint dark to light)
Blend to Flesh tone on raised areas.
Blend up to bone/cream highlights, possibly white for extremes.
Use red (mixed with flesh tone and/or bone) for lips and cheeks to give it some healthy life.

For a larger scale, like this bust, you'd need to add some blue for shading and giving the skin some translucency. As well as some more red undertones before the flesh tones.

for the vampire look, I'd replace the brown with a purple or dark blue base coat, and not use the red for the "healthy" stage. Mixing some blue into the flesh tones and highlights.
Give it a drained of blood look (ironic for something that drinks blood) rather than a Zombie rotting look with the added greens and yellows.

But keeping the flesh tones in there should keep it looking like it used to be flesh and is now dead meat, but not rotten.

Just some thoughts.

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Thank you!
Thank you Anvildude - I really like your feedback, and I almost painted her with your suggestion - Thank you Mate!
Thank you Dr H - I will definitely keep that recepie! Thank you!

Since it rained a bit and cooled off, I was able to get some sleep - and a bit of come to my senses

I decided not to go for Undead, zombie or any other...I went for the colors I had and just made them smoother (hopefully sucessful).
So here we go:

for some F**ing reason some are blurry

they were absolutely crisp on my camera…









I hope you like the "new" GOTHICA.
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Looks good to me. She is just more Drow/Dark Elf looking instead of Vampire looking now. The red armor and cape look better though I think.
   
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I actually really like the myriad of bright colors on the pennants. That's something people always forget about Medieval stuff- it wasn't drab. In fact, a lot of it was downright GARISH- a sort of rejection of the hard conditions and difficult lives they lived.

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Damn Kluas that bust is...wow...that's...wow, the shield is great too...the eyes, that is a piece of art my friend.
   
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Nice job, Klaus. Beautiful work.


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Hey all!
Sorry for the absence, but here it was so hot, the paint dried on the brush und Sculpey cured by itself
Naw, it was just damn warm and I didn't find the mojo to do any real stuff.

BUT, I did use the time to finally experiment with some 3D stuff.
A friend recommended Sculptris - free programm, by the makers of ZBrush - and I find it very intuitive.

This was the first head - say hello to Phantomas (who ever is old and european enough to remember him?)


And this the second - each were created in just a few (3 or 4) hours


One evening I was just pushing and shoving things around, when I got the idea to try a dragon


This also shows one of the issues with the program - upon a certain size there are too many polygons and the program crashes


But it is really great for getting a feeling for 3D sculpting and if you want to proceed.
I experimented some more and tried this bust


in theory it is now even ready to print - if I get access to a printer...


But by now the painting Mojo seems to be back, and "The Guardian" is back on my desk!
First I improved the background some more, adding more grass and stuff


And I connected a better power source to it


this is now a lot brighter


And I started to paint the Guardian itself - sorry these are mobile images


Unfortunately I broke off the sword - so I'll have to fix that


And this is as far as I got over the last few days


I think it comes together quite nicely.
What do you think?
Cheers
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(In my best Austin Powers voice) Klaus- you've got your mojo back! Groovy, baby! Yeah!

I think it has come together quite nicely as well! What an incredible sense of depth and distance when I look through the rift/portal/cave! Truly amazing.

I like how the Guardian is coming also. This project has always been of great interest to me, I'm glad you're putting some time into it again.


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Great work on the frame. Lovely effect.
Good progress on guardian too.
Breaking bits off during progress is always a possibility, I'm always doing it.


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Hi guys!
I finally had the time to take some (hopefully) better shots of my Gothica - actually I snatched my wifes camera and gave it a try

So here we go!
Enjoy


























I'm really glad that I did take the chance to repaint her - and that I had the mojo to bite through
Thanks for the ride!
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Lovely work, Klaus. Well done.


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Thank you Doc!

In the meantime I was also able to finish "The Guardian"
Enjoy!












Once again, I want to tank you for accompanying me on this journey and your Support and encouragement
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I've had an affinity for this project from the beginning, Klaus- there is some real magic here. Well done.

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