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But, again, what does Toholk have going for him that a Spyder (or two!) can't do better?

On the issue of Scythe cockpits, green stuff and sandpaper and you are good if you hate the "machines piloting machines" concept.

 skoffs wrote:
But, again, what does Toholk have going for him that a Spyder (or two!) can't do better?

Spyders dont fill a HQ slot, if your going heavy mech, and have warriors, there is no better HQ for the army, as he can buff both the warriors and regen the vehicles. The spyder cant do that, and its shooting is underwhelming, as is its CC. The cryptek isnt atrocious at either.

 Klowny wrote:

 skoffs wrote:
But, again, what does Toholk have going for him that a Spyder (or two!) can't do better?

Spyders dont fill a HQ slot, if your going heavy mech, and have warriors, there is no better HQ for the army, as he can buff both the warriors and regen the vehicles. The spyder cant do that, and its shooting is underwhelming, as is its CC. The cryptek isnt atrocious at either.

He can only give regen to one vehicle that he starts beside on the very first turn. In 7th he could give d3 vehicles IWND.

Slightly OT, but is anyone else confused by the stats for voidblades vs hyperphase swords? Theyre both cc weapon choices for lords, they both seem to have the same stats, but one is twice the price of the other? ô_o

 Tyr13 wrote:
Slightly OT, but is anyone else confused by the stats for voidblades vs hyperphase swords? Theyre both cc weapon choices for lords, they both seem to have the same stats, but one is twice the price of the other? ô_o

They liked the statline, but the point differential for had to be exaggerated for Praetorians (who use Voidblades) versus Lychguard (who use hyperphase swords).

I expect they did not intend for Voidblades to be usable by HQs.

 Tyr13 wrote:
Slightly OT, but is anyone else confused by the stats for voidblades vs hyperphase swords? Theyre both cc weapon choices for lords, they both seem to have the same stats, but one is twice the price of the other? ô_o

I'm guessing that it's something to do with balancing Praetorians against Lychguard. But you're right - it's a bloody stupid way of going about it (and I don't see why they needed to by given the same stats in the first place).

I mean, even if they wanted to give HQs both options for modelling purposes, they could have done what they did elsewhere and put 2 prices on them - one for HQs and one for other models.

Also, while we're on the subject, where is the option for Gauntlets of Fire on HQs? I don't care that it wasn't great - it was still one of my favourite options. Every other race got to at least keep their weapons, yet we - a race already suffering from limited customisation - weren't even allowed that small mercy.

 TheFleshIsWeak wrote:

Also, while we're on the subject, where is the option for Gauntlets of Fire on HQs? I don't care that it wasn't great - it was still one of my favourite options. Every other race got to at least keep their weapons, yet we - a race already suffering from limited customisation - weren't even allowed that small mercy.

Imotekh have Gauntlets and you can check stats in his profile. Other hq cant get it.

Kuguar6 wrote:
Imotekh have Gauntlets and you can check stats in his profile. Other hq cant get it.

I've underlined the issue. Let me know when the Imperium factions have their plasma pistols confined to special characters.

So if I'm updating my 7th edition destroyer cult army and have two destroyer lords, should I go scythe or staff of light?

I'm thinking in 2000 points I can fit two detachments for +2 command points, stick 6+5+5 destroyers in one and 3+3+3 heavies in the other, leaving me down 2 regular and 3 heavy from my 7th edition list.

changemod wrote:
So if I'm updating my 7th edition destroyer cult army and have two destroyer lords, should I go scythe or staff of light?

I'm thinking in 2000 points I can fit two detachments for +2 command points, stick 6+5+5 destroyers in one and 3+3+3 heavies in the other, leaving me down 2 regular and 3 heavy from my 7th edition list.

Definitely Scythe. The shooting from the staff isn't worth being so much more in melee.

 TheFleshIsWeak wrote:

 Tyr13 wrote:
Slightly OT, but is anyone else confused by the stats for voidblades vs hyperphase swords? Theyre both cc weapon choices for lords, they both seem to have the same stats, but one is twice the price of the other? ô_o

I'm guessing that it's something to do with balancing Praetorians against Lychguard. But you're right - it's a bloody stupid way of going about it (and I don't see why they needed to by given the same stats in the first place).

I mean, even if they wanted to give HQs both options for modelling purposes, they could have done what they did elsewhere and put 2 prices on them - one for HQs and one for other models.

Also, while we're on the subject, where is the option for Gauntlets of Fire on HQs? I don't care that it wasn't great - it was still one of my favourite options. Every other race got to at least keep their weapons, yet we - a race already suffering from limited customisation - weren't even allowed that small mercy.

Welcome to 8th ed Necron Index, where GW decided that the faction known for their gimmicks and advanced gear isn't allowed to have them anymore. For reasons.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Welcome to 8th ed Necron Index, where GW decided that the faction known for their gimmicks and advanced gear isn't allowed to have them anymore. For reasons.

Actually, the thing Necrons were most known for was their anti-vehicle prowess.
And now...

 skoffs wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Welcome to 8th ed Necron Index, where GW decided that the faction known for their gimmicks and advanced gear isn't allowed to have them anymore. For reasons.

Actually, the thing Necrons were most known for was their anti-vehicle prowess.
And now...

Yes...which was a gimmick. That they no longer have.
My statement is still accurate.
Though to be fair, it went from "gauss is good against vehicle" gimmick to "gauss has better penetration" gimmick. Which is more accurate fluff wise, tbh.

Does forgeworld not sell the sentry pylon with heat cannon anymore? I can't find it in their website.

Guys I am a rather new player and seek advice.

I'll be running a Triarch Stalker and I want to ask, if it would be an viable option to run it with 2 Annihilation Barges.

I'll pair it with some Teslortals and warriors, babysitted by an Olord and Crytek..

I'll go for 1,500 , later 2000 Points.


Or should I just skip the Anni-Barges and straight buy 2 D'Arks to stick to the stalker? It's my anti-vehicle option mainly.

JohnnyRotten wrote:


Guys I am a rather new player and seek advice.

I'll be running a Triarch Stalker and I want to ask, if it would be an viable option to run it with 2 Annihilation Barges.

I'll pair it with some Teslortals and warriors, babysitted by an Olord and Crytek..

I'll go for 1,500 , later 2000 Points.


Or should I just skip the Anni-Barges and straight buy 2 D'Arks to stick to the stalker? It's my anti-vehicle option mainly.

If you're looking for anti-vehicle, I'd definitely go for the Doomsday Arks over the Annihilation Barges. The Barges seem pretty poor at the best of times and I certainly don't see them doing much to tanks.

ABs and DDAs have different ideal targets, but both will really benefit from rerolling 1s from a Stalker.

 TheFleshIsWeak wrote:

JohnnyRotten wrote:


Guys I am a rather new player and seek advice.

I'll be running a Triarch Stalker and I want to ask, if it would be an viable option to run it with 2 Annihilation Barges.

I'll pair it with some Teslortals and warriors, babysitted by an Olord and Crytek..

I'll go for 1,500 , later 2000 Points.


Or should I just skip the Anni-Barges and straight buy 2 D'Arks to stick to the stalker? It's my anti-vehicle option mainly.

If you're looking for anti-vehicle, I'd definitely go for the Doomsday Arks over the Annihilation Barges. The Barges seem pretty poor at the best of times and I certainly don't see them doing much to tanks.

Tesseract Ark seems to be the best here. In fact, it can serve both the roles of a DDA and an AB and is strictly better than either of them.

 Klowny wrote:
By the looks of the complaints on the FW threads, seems like we get the most out of it.

Actually interested to see what other people are saying about our stuff.
You got a link to the thread and comments in question?

 skoffs wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Welcome to 8th ed Necron Index, where GW decided that the faction known for their gimmicks and advanced gear isn't allowed to have them anymore. For reasons.

Actually, the thing Necrons were most known for was their anti-vehicle prowess.
And now...

They were only known for that if you couldn't perform an ounce of mathhamer.

 Maelstrom808 wrote:
On the issue of Scythe cockpits, green stuff and sandpaper and you are good if you hate the "machines piloting machines" concept.

Spoiler:

Love this, may have to try it

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 skoffs wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Welcome to 8th ed Necron Index, where GW decided that the faction known for their gimmicks and advanced gear isn't allowed to have them anymore. For reasons.

Actually, the thing Necrons were most known for was their anti-vehicle prowess.
And now...

They were only known for that if you couldn't perform an ounce of mathhamer.

It's a hangover from the Harbinger's of the Storm days. I miss veiling a couple of those guys in to wipe away a Knight in a single volley.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 skoffs wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Welcome to 8th ed Necron Index, where GW decided that the faction known for their gimmicks and advanced gear isn't allowed to have them anymore. For reasons.

Actually, the thing Necrons were most known for was their anti-vehicle prowess.
And now...

They were only known for that if you couldn't perform an ounce of mathhamer.

TBF, that was in an edition where you can one shot vehicles with glances. It was totally possible to reliably kill vehicles with gauss pre-5th ed. Post 5th ed...not so much.


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Godeskian wrote:

 Maelstrom808 wrote:
On the issue of Scythe cockpits, green stuff and sandpaper and you are good if you hate the "machines piloting machines" concept.

Spoiler:

Love this, may have to try it

Yeah, I should have tried sanding mine. Its all lumpy now.

Jumping on the Dynasty train for 8th, I snagged 3 boxes of Necron stuff (2x start collecting and 1x warrior ark phalanx).

With a cryptek this all comes to just shy of 1500 points.

What I'm wondering about is what would be the recommended purchases for my next 500 points? I'm eyeing off two doomsday arks, but also some immortals and fast attack/deep strike choices for objective grabbing.

Any advice would be appreciated, thanks.

interviglium wrote:
Jumping on the Dynasty train for 8th, I snagged 3 boxes of Necron stuff (2x start collecting and 1x warrior ark phalanx).

With a cryptek this all comes to just shy of 1500 points.

What I'm wondering about is what would be the recommended purchases for my next 500 points? I'm eyeing off two doomsday arks, but also some immortals and fast attack/deep strike choices for objective grabbing.

Any advice would be appreciated, thanks.

Deathmarks are really helpful against most armies. Deep strike into cover for 2+ and character sniping. Heavy weapons are better from FW if you can afford it, the tesseract ark and pylons are very, very good. Triarch stalker is good for whole army buffs.

Large warrior blobs supported by a ghost ark and a cryptek is very good base.

Tesla immortals are good.

Oh, random question, guys - does a Tomb Spyder's Scarab Hive ability require Reinforcement Points?

Normally, I'd have said no (since it deals with models and not whole units), however it specifically uses the word "reinforcements".

Any thoughts?

col_impact wrote:


Tesseract Ark seems to be the best here. In fact, it can serve both the roles of a DDA and an AB and is strictly better than either of them.

Thanks for the help. It's a pitty though, because I'm not digging the TA model.

 TheFleshIsWeak wrote:
Oh, random question, guys - does a Tomb Spyder's Scarab Hive ability require Reinforcement Points?

Normally, I'd have said no (since it deals with models and not whole units), however it specifically uses the word "reinforcements".

Any thoughts?

Anything that adds back to a unit without going over the original size does not require reinforcement points, so you're good to go.

So, some anecdotal experience from my second game of 8th. My friend played Tau and another friend brought a small force of chaos marines. (He's getting back into the game and wanted to learn, so we put them on a team against me.) I brought 2500 points of necrons against them.

My list was:



I don't remember specifics of their list, but it was something like this:




I kept the Gauss immortals in reserves via the monolith. But yeah. Marched up the board, deep struck the monolith and pelted stuff with the DArk. They had first turn and failed to do much damage. I shot the DArk at the Helbrute and one shotted it. The monolith came in and shielded the wraiths and Scarabs as they advanced, which then eventually took a few wounds off the Storm surge and we're ANNOYINGLY resilient to small arms fire. They rejoiced when they killed the scarabs finally, which is hilarious to me.

The monolith then brought in the immortals and they cleaned up shop, and the monolith ended up dealing about 8 or so wounds to the surge, which was brought down to 3 left with the aid of the DArk. It was finished off the following turn by the monolith. They did deep strike in my back field to deal with the DArk, which between the chaos Lord (shooting and melee) and the Crisis suits, it took 12 wounds. It then shifted out of combat and shot back (Gotta love Fly), and the rest of the game it regened another 4 wounds.

Tesla + MWBD essentially shot his flyer out of the sky in one go.

The monolith took about 7 wounds from the pulse driver, but otherwise was ignored because of the nuisance that was the Canopteks. It then regained about 3 wounds.


Overall the monolith is definitely worth another look. The BS 4+ didn't change much, and it's durability means they need to focus it down or forget about it.

The DArk is solid.

Wraiths and Scarabs are solid. Scarabs surprisingly so.

20 warriors camping an objective with a cryptek in cover with a ghost ark is really annoying.

Overall I'm more satisfied with crons than I thought I would be. This weekend I'll be trying out more elite units and Fast attacks.