Astra Militarum: More Competitive in 8th Edition?

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**vipoid**

What if the Vanquisher gun did a straight 6 damage?

**Cothonian**

That would make it a brutal anti-tank gun. I would like that, seems a bit on the powerful side though.

**Aenarian**

Going from 2d6 pick highest to 6 isn't that much of an increase, but they seem to dislike high, straight damage on weapons.

**Colonel Cross**

D6 damage but 1-3 = 3 damage minimum. Like the neutron laser.

**vipoid**

Colonel Cross wrote:
D6 damage but 1-3 = 3 damage minimum. Like the neutron laser.

For the record, I'd still never take one.

**Colonel Cross**

I don't even bother with Russes. And I only own 1 Bailisk. I wish I could get my hands on some Earthshaker platforms.

**Melissia**

CplPunishment wrote:
Unless both players can agree on RAI beforehand, we must default to RAW and FAQ/ERRATA.

And what if no one can agree on RAW, because people are interpreting RAW differently?

RAW isn't this magical thing that's 100% clear all the time forever and furthermore always agrees with your opinion.

**rhinoceraids**

Hope the codex helps russes a bit. Maybe?

Wyvern, manticore, basilisk are all decent at holding an objective in your back end.

**CplPunishment**

Melissia wrote:
CplPunishment wrote:
Unless both players can agree on RAI beforehand, we must default to RAW and FAQ/ERRATA.

And what if no one can agree on RAW, because people are interpreting RAW differently?

RAW isn't this magical thing that's 100% clear all the time forever and furthermore always agrees with your opinion.

If the rules truly are that unclear, RAW has a solution to this: roll off and the winner chooses the interpretation that will be used for the remainder of the game.

The problem with this current dispute is that people are basing their argument off of a sentence devoid of keywords, and making up their own definition of what constitutes an aura, rather than consulting the rules. RAW in the case of officers ordering themselves is only "unclear" to those who simply don't want it to be possible.

**daedalus**

It seems you can fire the lasgun on a HWT now. Dunno why I didn't notice it earlier. Kinda surprised they didn't just split them back up into two models at this point.

**Otto von Bludd**

daedalus wrote:
It seems you can fire the lasgun on a HWT now. Dunno why I didn't notice it earlier. Kinda surprised they didn't just split them back up into two models at this point.

I still run mine as two separate models and a gun (I have some old style metal Cadians). I also have some of the newer single base HWTs and never run them because I hate that single base so much.

**daedalus**

Yeah, I'm begrudingly rebasing my mordians lascannon guys onto the big base now, because I get anal-retentive about that kind of stuff. I severely dislike the big base too.

**rhinoceraids**

Anybody run the preator? I have one and I want to use it. Such a cool model.

It has 2D6 shots AP-2, D6 dmg. For one of the fire types

and 1D6 shots. AP-2 D6 dmg (Add 1 when shooting dudes with the fly keyword)

Which would be better vs fliers. It would be hitting on 5's with the anti-armour type. But its 2D6 vs 1D6. Thoughts?

**daedalus**

Papa Basilisk? Yeah, I have one. I haven't run it yet, but it looks effective enough on paper. I'm a little concerned about the minimum range though, particularly as fast as it feels people get to close range nowadays.

**rhinoceraids**

Well I want something that can sit on an objective and have some sticking power.

Papa Basilisk. I like that haha. The minimum range is a concern. But it has better range than most armies long range stuff. So sit it far back on an objective and let it fly.

Plus the things huge. Hide entire squads behind it. Chimera's, russes, HWT's lol.

**CplPunishment**

daedalus wrote:
Papa Basilisk? Yeah, I have one. I haven't run it yet, but it looks effective enough on paper. I'm a little concerned about the minimum range though, particularly as fast as it feels people get to close range nowadays.

Read the Earthshaker Cannon's rules again. Unless it got FAQ'd, there is no minimum range.

**rhinoceraids**

He means the preator.

2 of its fire types has a 12" min range

**Zuri Prime**

Hey guys, if you were to run a Leman Russ Conqueror, what hull weapon and sponsors would you bring on it? Heavy bolters all around?

**daedalus**

Yeah, sorry, Praetor == Papa Basilisk. It was a joke.

**Aenarian**

Zuri Prime wrote:
Hey guys, if you were to run a Leman Russ Conqueror, what hull weapon and sponsors would you bring on it? Heavy bolters all around?

3 Plasma Cannons because I can.

**Doctoralex**

Aenarian wrote:
Zuri Prime wrote:
Hey guys, if you were to run a Leman Russ Conqueror, what hull weapon and sponsors would you bring on it? Heavy bolters all around?

3 Plasma Cannons because I can.

blows up turn 1 in a blaze of glory

**vonjankmon**

Doctoralex wrote:
Aenarian wrote:
Zuri Prime wrote:
Hey guys, if you were to run a Leman Russ Conqueror, what hull weapon and sponsors would you bring on it? Heavy bolters all around?

3 Plasma Cannons because I can.

blows up turn 1 in a blaze of glory

But it will be a glorious blaze.

**lash92**

Quick question:
What do you primarily use for tank hunting? (No FW entries please)

**Zuri Prime**

Aenarian wrote:
Zuri Prime wrote:
Hey guys, if you were to run a Leman Russ Conqueror, what hull weapon and sponsors would you bring on it? Heavy bolters all around?

3 Plasma Cannons because I can.

That actually sounds fun.

**vipoid**

lash92 wrote:
Quick question:
What do you primarily use for tank hunting? (No FW entries please)

- Lascannons in Infantry Squads
- Missile Launchers in Infantry Squads
- Plasma-Scions
- Sometimes Lascannon Armoured Sentinels

**CplPunishment**

lash92 wrote:
Quick question:
What do you primarily use for tank hunting? (No FW entries please)

Shadowsword if you have a really tough nut to crack.
Veterans with lascannons and plasma are great with reroll buffs.
Basilisk doesn't need LOS, wounds most vehicles on 3+ and rolls 2d6pick highest for shots.

**Unit1126PLL**

Aenarian wrote:
Zuri Prime wrote:
Hey guys, if you were to run a Leman Russ Conqueror, what hull weapon and sponsors would you bring on it? Heavy bolters all around?

3 Plasma Cannons because I can.

I didn't notice this. Triple-MM tanks here we goooooooo!

**rhinoceraids**

Shadowsword is really hit and miss. D6 shots suuuucks when you roll a 1-2. Hitting on 4's. Maybe 5's. Maybe 6's.

Id rather have 3 manticores or something. Least I get more dice to roll. Not 3 dice that NEED to roll high.

**CplPunishment**

rhinoceraids wrote:
Shadowsword is really hit and miss. D6 shots suuuucks when you roll a 1-2. Hitting on 4's. Maybe 5's. Maybe 6's.

Id rather have 3 manticores or something. Least I get more dice to roll. Not 3 dice that NEED to roll high.

That's why you fire the Shadowsword first--so you aren't tempted to waste a reroll on something else. Park Harker next to it and things get nasty. It's the kind of thing you bring in big games where it will be indispensable. It hits Titanic units on 3+.

Manticores are better for smaller games, but I don't own any.

**Unit1126PLL**

I still want to make the Valdor good. I am looking at making a Tank Destruction company as the 6th company for my regiment, and I have 2 Valdors. If they were 'good enough' then I could field a Shadowsword as the company command vehicle, and be awesome.