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Keeps us updated on how that list turns out Tneva, those restrictions are insane (but quite possibly fun)!

In regards to the whole HQ thing, if we only got 1 new model I'd probably want Ghaz. I wouldn't even use him myself but I'm a bit bothered by having old centerpiece models and the arrival of a prime Ghaz would probably move the ork storyline forward a bit (probably on Armageddon). I don't think he could be in a dual kit with a MA warboss though, since I assume a prime ghaz would be 14-16 wounds (the beast is described as 10meters tall and even if Ghaz porbably won't quite reach that level it seems silly a normal warboss could be even close to that size).

A MA warboss is missed though since it's so much more useful than a MA big mek. Both mounted HQ's and a new normal big mek with a KFF would be great but I personally doubt they're coming. If they release a new big mek model I hope he comes with a KFF but can also choose other weird ork weaponry, like a mini-pulsa rokkit.

So in my personal order of want:
Ghaz
MA warboss
Normal multi-part warboss (actual options for big choppa etc)
Normal multi-part big mek
Unlikely bonus round:
Mounted character kit

I guess a new weirdboy should be added but it's so easy just to use the AoS guys that I can't be bothered. They're great models.

Yeah the AoS weridnob is awesome, i have 2 lol.

I'd like to see a Grot HQ or Elite. Some sniper git.

 flandarz wrote:
I'd like to see a Grot HQ or Elite. Some sniper git.

Scratch my entire post. This is priority nr.1

No but seriously, I'd love a bit of grot focus. I've already sent a mail to GW pleading them to give us 40k rules for some of the gloomspite gitz, like they did with tzaangor enlightened, shaman & the mutalith vortex beast

i could see that being a CA 2019 "build a character" thing, i.e. PL only.....
Which would be immensely irritating. Hate it when GW tries to push Open play when nobody gives a crap. I'd love to kitbash some battlefortresses but its PL only so.....

Yeah, I'm not holding out hope, but our lack of snipers is gonna hurt us in the near future.

I actually prefer powel level to points. you actually see units with proper equipment. no more loyal 32 with only a few handfuls of mortors and lasgun shots. or bolter tac squads. The sarg will have a proper melee weapon and possible pistol melta or plasma and the squad will have a special/heavy weapon. it jsut seems so stupid that the squads are choosing to go into battle geared fairly uselessly. or in the case of orks we just take not big shootas or rokkits unless we have a few points to spare usually.

PL would be fine if it was balanced right.
Its main issue is its the "medium cost" of what that unit can do, not the max since everyones gonna use the max. Or atleast thats how it feels like because so many units have an unusually low PL for what they are while others are abnormally high for what they do. Still no idea why Ironstriders for Admech are PL4 at 60pts, but Dragoons are PL3 at...68pts...wat? Theyre literally "this one is shooty this one is melee' of the same model.

Very noticable on things that can take a BIG gun or opt for a lesser, cost effective gun so they can bring more bodies.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
PL would be fine if it was balanced right.
Its main issue is its the "medium cost" of what that unit can do, not the max since everyones gonna use the max. Or atleast thats how it feels like because so many units have an unusually low PL for what they are while others are abnormally high for what they do. Still no idea why Ironstriders for Admech are PL4 at 60pts, but Dragoons are PL3 at...68pts...wat? Theyre literally "this one is shooty this one is melee' of the same model.

Very noticable on things that can take a BIG gun or opt for a lesser, cost effective gun so they can bring more bodies.

Yeah, its very all or nothing and it hurts armies with little to no upgrade options like Necrons, who pay a premium in PL for no way to leverage it at all. I think it's best for early pick-up games with people new to the game and if its WSYWIG, otherwise you can power-game the absolute hell out of it.

I am still 100% sure they have the new Ghaz model ready for release. There were the rumors we were getting one prior to our codex. Them deciding not to release him in the book doesn't mean the sculpt isn't ready and that we won't get him. How far back were the primarch rumors, and before that there was a leak of the new Lord or change models which did end up getting released. The problem is that the people who see the pipeline and leak it just see inventory and not the timeline.

With this in mind again pretty sure new Ghaz exists and that they waited so that they can sell us another new book with units and rules.......

mhalko1 wrote:
I am still 100% sure they have the new Ghaz model ready for release. There were the rumors we were getting one prior to our codex. Them deciding not to release him in the book doesn't mean the sculpt isn't ready and that we won't get him. How far back were the primarch rumors, and before that there was a leak of the new Lord or change models which did end up getting released. The problem is that the people who see the pipeline and leak it just see inventory and not the timeline.

With this in mind again pretty sure new Ghaz exists and that they waited so that they can sell us another new book with units and rules.......

Sell me this dream!

We'll get a new Ghazz eventually. Whether it's in 5 months or 5 years is up for contention.

A Sisters vs Orks battlebox would be pretty sweet, but that won't have a new Ghazz anyway.

I think it all depends on how Vigilus turns out. They say Vigilus Ablaze is book 2/2 but unless the planet is destroyed they could easily go back in a "new" campaign. If the next campaign is Armageddon then both Angron and Ghaz are likely candidates. Ghaz probably being even more likely to be updated due to the whole Armageddon is really Ullanor thing.

Is it possible the model already exists? Sure, but at least from what I remember it wasn't one of the noted trustworthy sources that spread the rumour of a new Ghaz. Hastings said there would be a new Guilliman, Mortarion, Abaddon & Russ so I think it's pretty likely Russ is next.

Considering Ghaz would probably be a Prime Ork, the codex leans into that since he now exists in several places at once, he would basically be a primarch relase. So assuming Russ is next we should really hope for him dropping soon since I can't imagine GW dropping these centerpiece leaders too close to each other.

Me personally, I think Chaos wins at Vigilus and things are looking bleak for the Imperium for a while. Then, around Christmas the "wolf time" arrives and Russ saves the day (the whole space viking works better during winter). So maybe we get an Armageddon campaign summer 2020?

I don't feel that Ghazzy is going to go back to Armageddon.

There was a passage on the Snikrot page in our codex that implied that Ghazzy was no longer interested in Armageddon and that Snikrot was going to take it for himself. I don't know why but it stuck out to me.

It also concerns me that Ghazzy is all over the place at the same time, it gives him a distinct lack of focus and the same lack of focus for a release. If he was still at Octarius we could expect a release with Nids. If he was still at Armageddon we could expect a release with World Eaters. As it stands he's nowhere important as far as I can tell? All the places he's traveled to feel kind of "meh".

i just hope when we do get a new ghazzy model he has all new rules and such too.
Right now he's literally "Warboss in MA + 1 Attack aura) which, while cool, is sorta lame. Not to mention i personally find it REALLY FREAKING HARD to get characters in the same combat as boyz when both had to charge the same turn.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I don't feel that Ghazzy is going to go back to Armageddon.

There was a passage on the Snikrot page in our codex that implied that Ghazzy was no longer interested in Armageddon and that Snikrot was going to take it for himself. I don't know why but it stuck out to me.

It also concerns me that Ghazzy is all over the place at the same time, it gives him a distinct lack of focus and the same lack of focus for a release. If he was still at Octarius we could expect a release with Nids. If he was still at Armageddon we could expect a release with World Eaters. As it stands he's nowhere important as far as I can tell? All the places he's traveled to feel kind of "meh".

To me the constant fighting on Octarius against the nids would be the Ideal conditions for him to reach Primorck size. I know this has started to derail the thread so I won't really go more into it but having that release would make the Warboss in MA model valid and give one additional step toward not needing an index.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I don't feel that Ghazzy is going to go back to Armageddon.

There was a passage on the Snikrot page in our codex that implied that Ghazzy was no longer interested in Armageddon and that Snikrot was going to take it for himself. I don't know why but it stuck out to me.

It also concerns me that Ghazzy is all over the place at the same time, it gives him a distinct lack of focus and the same lack of focus for a release. If he was still at Octarius we could expect a release with Nids. If he was still at Armageddon we could expect a release with World Eaters. As it stands he's nowhere important as far as I can tell? All the places he's traveled to feel kind of "meh".

Hmm, I missed that. The whole exists in many places at once is a precursor to being a prime ork so even though he's physically nowhere interesting right now it does bring him to an interesting place, lore wise. As I wrote in a previous post, the beast was 10 meters tall and he went toe to toe with Vulkan who was the largest primarch before daemonic gifts came into play (oh, and also immortal). Make Ghaz a huge, 16/18 wound model that's literally the most scary model in CC in all of 40k (and also smart since he'd be a prime ork) and I might buy the model just to have. It would also force GW to give Orks a real win or two and at least temporarily a real focus in the storyline.

Even if Ghaz probably won't be as big & scary as the beast, the guy who almost took Terra, a prime Ghaz should still be a bigger terror than most CSM legions.

PiñaColada wrote:
Hmm, I missed that. The whole exists in many places at once is a precursor to being a prime ork so even though he's physically nowhere interesting right now it does bring him to an interesting place, lore wise. As I wrote in a previous post, the beast was 10 meters tall and he went toe to toe with Vulkan who was the largest primarch before daemonic gifts came into play (oh, and also immortal). Make Ghaz a huge, 16/18 wound model that's literally the most scary model in CC in all of 40k (and also smart since he'd be a prime ork) and I might buy the model just to have. It would also force GW to give Orks a real win or two and at least temporarily a real focus in the storyline.

Even if Ghaz probably won't be as big & scary as the beast, the guy who almost took Terra, a prime Ghaz should still be a bigger terror than most CSM legions.

Ah I'd buy any new Ork model. Just to support Orks if nothing else. Give GW the financial incentives to continue making Ork models as best I can. A Ghaz model as you've described would be incredible though I don't think it's likely as GW are focusing only on Chaos vs Imperium and us Xenos are like the poor relations. Look at the treatment in Vigilus 2. Our faction is now a warzone or something? Is that it? Is that all there is? Lame IMO. And it's the last book so it'll finish the story.

Either way we have gone off topic I fear, back to tactics *ahem*. How about those *grabs random unit* Tankbustas guys!? They any good?

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

PiñaColada wrote:
Hmm, I missed that. The whole exists in many places at once is a precursor to being a prime ork so even though he's physically nowhere interesting right now it does bring him to an interesting place, lore wise. As I wrote in a previous post, the beast was 10 meters tall and he went toe to toe with Vulkan who was the largest primarch before daemonic gifts came into play (oh, and also immortal). Make Ghaz a huge, 16/18 wound model that's literally the most scary model in CC in all of 40k (and also smart since he'd be a prime ork) and I might buy the model just to have. It would also force GW to give Orks a real win or two and at least temporarily a real focus in the storyline.

Even if Ghaz probably won't be as big & scary as the beast, the guy who almost took Terra, a prime Ghaz should still be a bigger terror than most CSM legions.

Ah I'd buy any new Ork model. Just to support Orks if nothing else. Give GW the financial incentives to continue making Ork models as best I can. A Ghaz model as you've described would be incredible though I don't think it's likely as GW are focusing only on Chaos vs Imperium and us Xenos are like the poor relations. Look at the treatment in Vigilus 2. Our faction is now a warzone or something? Is that it? Is that all there is? Lame IMO. And it's the last book so it'll finish the story.

Either way we have gone off topic I fear, back to tactics *ahem*. How about those *grabs random unit* Tankbustas guys!? They any good?

Yeah, even though I understand Chaos is being redesigned to be more of a presence as the "big bad" of the setting, it still seems anticlimatic to use xenos like Orks and Genestealers to be the backdrop before they arrive. If anything I'd love to see Orks be one of the reasons why Chaos can't fully screw over Vigilus in one go, as one of the wild card factions that undermines carefully thought through battle plans like a wrench in the works. It'd be hilarious if they pull a Storm of Chaos 2.0 where Abbadon and Calgar have their fated duel and an Ork Warlord pops in like Grimgor and saves Calgar inadvertently by headbutting Abbadon into submission before running off saying "Orkz iz da best!".

In terms of tactics, are Stormboyz still best taken in min sized units to be used like Kommandos as mid-game objective grabbers? I've been tempted to run them in high numbers but after losing their advance and charge ability they need to be babysat by a Warboss on Bike in order to charge T1 and I'm not sure its viable compared to Da Jumping/Tellyporta boyz. So far I've run them as 5 MSU squads with Zagstruk, anybody else have any advice on how to run them?

Ghaz needs to create more waagh energy in order to reach primeork status. He does this by gathering more and more orks into a bigger and bigger battle. When chaos hits armegedon ghaz will pull much more orks to armeggdon which already is the biggest battle in his lifetime and in that surge I see him ascending into a prime ork.

This likely won’t happen until chaos summons Angron on armeggdeon. Ironically orks will probably save the imperium by fighting khorne. Remember this is why orks were created in the first place!

I am firmly on the side of Ghaz getting a new model when GW goes to do a little more focus on the armegedon conflict. I think it will be a strong zone for GW to capitalize on with Orks, IG, Black Templar, Khorne, and GK.

On the tactics side I am curious on people’s Stormboyz results as I have been finding it hard deciding to use them in my Goff’s with zagstruk. No more advancing and charging is kinda a bummer but what I feel really hurts them is the rule of 3. I want to run groups of 5 but having one 3 groups in total really feels like it will get shot off 1st turn. I can see merit though in using them strictly to grab obj when needed.

Back to tactics for a second here
I was discussing with a friend last time and, we played orks vs orks, very fun match.
He thought of playing 2 unit of stormboyz, one of 5 and one of 20, field the 5 unit and DS the second, T2 auto advance, so move 18" ( 20" if ES), than congaline to 9", if you get closer to the enemy line and DS+ mob up with the other 20. Now you have 25 stormboyz (hopefully with warpath) with a very possible charge in range , anything from 3 to 6".
The idea is to be able to clear some chaff or seep thru enemy line and possibly block one or two artillery/tanks from firing

thats a sneaky idea and stormboyz are the best to try that since they fly and can more easily stay out of sight until they want to charge.

The issue I got with Stormboyz is that they're fairly expensive and relatively fragile. Otherwise, they're good.

Hmm is there anything that might prevent that?

But on similar way t1 charge so that big mob advances normally and 10 mob advances flat 7(evil sun). Less mortal wounds and mob up ensures all are in combat with furthest models 21 ahead

Oh man, I’m gonna try the conga line ideas. I do find stormboyz fragile and that really hurts them in finding good uses. When I do use them I use them as little distractions or as prechargers to try to eat some overwatch from around corners.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I don't feel that Ghazzy is going to go back to Armageddon.

There was a passage on the Snikrot page in our codex that implied that Ghazzy was no longer interested in Armageddon and that Snikrot was going to take it for himself. I don't know why but it stuck out to me.

It also concerns me that Ghazzy is all over the place at the same time, it gives him a distinct lack of focus and the same lack of focus for a release. If he was still at Octarius we could expect a release with Nids. If he was still at Armageddon we could expect a release with World Eaters. As it stands he's nowhere important as far as I can tell? All the places he's traveled to feel kind of "meh".

This makes me feel like Primorkz are just around the corner because the Beast was indistinguishable from his other brother Primorkz. So that could mean that the greatest Warbosses around right now have all ascended and there are now multiple Ghaz's running around in different warzones setting things on fire

As for Stormboyz....well I just bought 30 more off a friend bringing me to 75ish.....And i only bought them because they look cool because in the game they fething suck. "DEEP STRIKING BOYZ YOU SAY!" Ohh wait, I can save 2ppm and just take boyz and spend some CP to have them deep strike. Or, you know....da jump. Stormboyz need a gimmick badly because right now i view them as nothing more than expensive boyz with no bonus in combat.

Well threat range 28" is their gimmick

tneva82 wrote:
Well threat range 28" is their gimmick

And my cheaper Boyz unit which da jumps turn 1 is better in every way possible. Or Kommandos which are now cheaper then Stormboyz, take them with a Evil Sunz detachment and you now have several units reliably getting into 8' charge range turn 2.

Leaving 30 Stormboyz on the table turn 1 is just a sure fire way to lose 270pts and if you bring them in smaller groups that is easy 1st blood and pray to god they don't get the multiple kill card otherwise that is a lot of easy kill points.

Da jump is a) tad less reliable b) one unit only. Stormboyz gives you potential for 3 plus boyz unit t1. Show how da jump gives 4 units charging into enemy t1? Da jumped boyz is also just as dead. Boyz plus stormboyz is harder to kill especially as they make both tougher

And kommando t2 is t2. Point with stormboyz isn't t2 but t1. Are you comparing always units with different units?

I think what they're getting at is that any task you wanna put the Stormboyz to, another unit can do it either cheaper or better. Nob Bikers (and most vehicles) can do T1 charges, and are more likely to survive them. Kommandos can do T2 DS, are cheaper, and have an extra +1 in cover. Stormboyz aren't bad, I don't think. They just don't have anything to really call their own.